IRC log of svgig on 2008-10-09
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- Zakim, this will be SVGIG
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- ok, trackbot; I see GA_SVGIG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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- Meeting: SVG Interest Group Teleconference
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- Date: 09 October 2008
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- Zakim, call shepazu
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- ok, shepazu; the call is being made
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- GA_SVGIG()11:00AM has now started
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- oedipus: not yet
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- +Shepazu
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- +Gregory_Rosmaita
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- + +1.312.540.aaaa
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- Previous: http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-svgig-minutes.html
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-ig/2008OctDec/0007.html
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- +??P26
- 15:00:57 [oedipus]
- zakim, who is here?
- 15:00:57 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Shepazu, Gregory_Rosmaita, JeffSchiller, +00499181265aabb, Dave_Porter, +1.713.851.aacc, ??P26
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- On IRC I see stelt, Bruce_, RRSAgent, Zakim, oedipus, JeffSchiller, Manuel, anthony, gwadej, ddepasqu, ed_, shepazu, trackbot
- 15:01:07 [Manuel]
- ++0049... is me.
- 15:01:11 [oedipus]
- ok
- 15:01:19 [oedipus]
- zakim, aabb is Manuel
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- +Manuel; got it
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- +Rob_Russell
- 15:01:57 [HelderMagalhaes]
- Hi! :-)
- 15:01:58 [oedipus]
- zakim, aacc is Wade_Johnson
- 15:01:58 [Zakim]
- +Wade_Johnson; got it
- 15:02:10 [JeffSchiller]
- Helder, stelt: care to join the call?
- 15:02:21 [oedipus]
- zakim, who is here?
- 15:02:21 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Shepazu, Gregory_Rosmaita, JeffSchiller, Manuel, Dave_Porter, Wade_Johnson, ??P26, Rob_Russell
- 15:02:23 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see HelderMagalhaes, Christophe, DavePorter, stelt, Bruce_, RRSAgent, Zakim, oedipus, JeffSchiller, Manuel, anthony, gwadej, ddepasqu, ed_, shepazu, trackbot
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- zakim, ??P26 is Robert_Longson
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- +Robert_Longson; got it
- 15:02:48 [HelderMagalhaes]
- Sorry, unfortunately I'm not able to join the conference call, I'll just try to catch up from IRC... :-|
- 15:02:52 [oedipus]
- zakim, who is here?
- 15:02:52 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Shepazu, Gregory_Rosmaita, JeffSchiller, Manuel, Dave_Porter, Wade_Johnson, Robert_Longson, Rob_Russell
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- On IRC I see HelderMagalhaes, Christophe, DavePorter, stelt, Bruce, RRSAgent, Zakim, oedipus, JeffSchiller, Manuel, anthony, gwadej, ddepasqu, ed_, shepazu, trackbot
- 15:03:01 [JeffSchiller]
- HelderMagalhaes: no problem
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- +Christophe_Strobbe
- 15:03:17 [ddepasqu]
- Hello. I also will not be able to join the conference call
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- rrsagent, set logs world-visible
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- + +1.720.855.aadd
- 15:03:46 [oedipus]
- zakim, aadd is Bruce_Randolph
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- +Bruce_Randolph; got it
- 15:03:51 [oedipus]
- Scribe: Gregory_Rosmaita
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- ScribeNick: oedipus
- 15:03:58 [Bruce]
- Bruce Rindahl
- 15:04:07 [JeffSchiller]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-ig/2008OctDec/0007.html
- 15:04:19 [stelt]
- JeffSchiller, i just woke up in a hotel, and managed to get internet at rediculous price. I don't think i can arrange phone quickly too
- 15:04:21 [oedipus]
- reminder: meeting info and minutes can be found at: http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/IG/wiki/IGResources/Minutes
- 15:04:26 [Christophe]
- zakim, Bruce_Randolph is Bruce_Rindahl
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- +Bruce_Rindahl; got it
- 15:04:28 [oedipus]
- TOPIC: Process, Intros, Etc.
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- RL: contribute to mozilla
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- RL: behind corporate firewall
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- +Andreas_Neumann
- 15:05:48 [HelderMagalhaes]
- RL: me too, using mibbit.com to workaround a known issue here... ;-)
- 15:05:53 [oedipus]
- reminder: meeting info and minutes can be found at: http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/IG/wiki/IGResources/Minutes
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- http://cgi.w3.org/member-bin/irc/irc.cgi
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- [fyi] contains meeting details, agenda, minutes, IRC logs, links to help documents, etc.
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- + +1.617.949.aaee
- 15:07:21 [anthony]
- Zakim, +1.617 is me
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- +anthony; got it
- 15:07:22 [JeffSchiller]
- stelt: np
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- RL: trying to make code work better when dynamic changes in DOM
- 15:08:27 [oedipus]
- RL: in terms of doing something when make dump change
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- JS: hobby?
- 15:08:38 [oedipus]
- RL: do in spare time
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- +Don_Doherty
- 15:08:54 [oedipus]
- RL: 40% of code in mozilla from volunteers
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- JS: new members?
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- WJ: Wade Johnson - been programmer for long time; ran into SVG 6-8 years ago; played with in free time, never been paid to work for it; put some stuff on web and been on svg-developers' list
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- RL: background: set up wiki, trying to get community web site up, accessibility activity reinvigoration
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- RL: conference call time -- DS did you get survey
- 15:11:41 [JeffSchiller]
- oedipus: s/RL/JS :)
- 15:12:07 [oedipus]
- RL: missing david dailey; problem for some folks - fine with this time, if no major problems
- 15:12:20 [oedipus]
- DS: would really like to get DavidD on
- 15:12:36 [oedipus]
- s/RL: conference/JS: conference
- 15:12:56 [oedipus]
- http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/IG/wiki/IGResources
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- s/RL: missing/JS: missing
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- rrsagent, please make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svgig-minutes.html oedipus
- 15:13:49 [oedipus]
- JS: community site -- trying to get started, Rob been working on drupal based site -- want to get out there and publicized -- no home yet -- svg.org or similar domain -- Doug domain update?
- 15:14:15 [oedipus]
- DS: probably won't hear back from antoine, nor from owner of the domain; if don't hear back shortly can safely assume won't hand ovre
- 15:14:32 [oedipus]
- JS: where do we want it at least? planetsvg.com
- 15:14:58 [oedipus]
- Rob: svghowto.com - best thing i onw
- 15:15:03 [oedipus]
- s/onw/own
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- JS: give opinions on emailing list
- 15:15:18 [HelderMagalhaes]
- That's a pity, I always though planetsvg.com would be for SVG-related blogs (as most planet* are...)
- 15:15:22 [oedipus]
- JS: status of site: not a lot of change since last meeting
- 15:15:45 [oedipus]
- Rob: interaction between 2 or 3 modules; haven't spent too much time on it in past while
- 15:16:11 [oedipus]
- JS: andreas suggested DOM viewer resource -- wiki forum in which i'd like to see that happen collaborativeley
- 15:16:18 [oedipus]
- JS: books?
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- Zakim, who's noisy?
- 15:17:43 [Zakim]
- shepazu, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Manuel (5%)
- 15:18:13 [oedipus]
- Rob: book best way to present info; diff content pages, not just copy-and-paste -- if anyone going to start using rush70.com be aware -- wiki markup is handled by filter module - FlexiFilter; have to test out implementation -- another option is pear; as far as wiki markup, don't know how important to authors on site
- 15:18:14 [oedipus]
- q+
- 15:18:32 [oedipus]
- Rob: additional feature can be added later, don't want to hold back
- 15:18:41 [oedipus]
- JS: lot of people signed up
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- JS: andreas, do you want to start book there and i will help fill out
- 15:19:12 [oedipus]
- Andres: SVG wiki huge; management problem
- 15:19:45 [oedipus]
- DS: we are planning on making a somethingSurvey DOM explorer that would do that test -- too big a job for wiki -- silly to do by hand when can be automated
- 15:19:52 [oedipus]
- Andres: should have other DOMs
- 15:20:32 [JeffSchiller]
- HelderMagalhaes: the other option is svghowto.com (Rob has this domain)
- 15:20:45 [oedipus]
- DS: in terms of starting content on wiki, would be more useful to have things like examples, tricks, how to do common tasks; if want to learn SVG in detail, there is info out there for you where can find DOM info; can't find easily how to accomplish real-world tasks
- 15:20:53 [oedipus]
- ??: common mistakes should be documented
- 15:21:19 [oedipus]
- DS: howto author content for FF - how to migrate from abode viewer to FF -- been very useful; HLINK and HREF
- 15:21:25 [oedipus]
- ??: opacity and full opacity
- 15:21:34 [oedipus]
- DS: first book: SVG tips and tricks
- 15:21:58 [oedipus]
- RL: link at top "script" is practical authoring info -- called script library to start with, but can always change
- 15:22:02 [shepazu]
- s/HLINK and HREF/xlink:href/
- 15:22:18 [Manuel]
- www.vector.net seems dead. Anyone knows, if it's available?
- 15:22:40 [longsonr]
- opacity vs fill-opacity
- 15:22:49 [oedipus]
- RL: can turn comments on for pages one creates -- if write page about cross-UA issue, that bug could later be fixed
- 15:22:59 [oedipus]
- s/full opacity/fill-opacity
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- JS: wiki markup not translated
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- RL: had when had filter enabled - have to change way parses stuff
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- q?
- 15:24:03 [Rob_Russell]
- http://pear.php.net/
- 15:25:03 [oedipus]
- GJR: accessibility of drupal
- 15:25:30 [oedipus]
- RL: option for filters user can choose -- "input format"
- 15:26:52 [JeffSchiller]
- oedipus: s/RL/RR too many Roberts now ;)
- 15:26:55 [oedipus]
- GJR: will work with Rob offline on accessibility
- 15:27:20 [oedipus]
- s/RL: option/RR: option
- 15:27:30 [oedipus]
- s/RL: had/RR:had
- 15:27:40 [longsonr]
- ?? common mistakes and opactity vs fill-opacity was me
- 15:27:53 [an]
- http://phrogz.net/objjob/default.asp
- 15:27:59 [oedipus]
- DS: taken first step - working with one other person - objjob?
- 15:28:48 [oedipus]
- DS: given me source for that -- something interested in doing at W3C when have resources to do it; way to explore all DOMs or all languages from W3C - would also include javascript - one-stop-shop for exploring for method - link back to specifications, etc.
- 15:28:54 [oedipus]
- JS: host on w3c site?
- 15:29:00 [oedipus]
- DS: yes, that is the plan
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- s/??: /RL:
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svgig-minutes.html oedipus
- 15:30:04 [oedipus]
- ACTION: Doug - work with Andreas on object browser
- 15:30:04 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-14 - - work with Andreas on object browser [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-10-16].
- 15:30:28 [oedipus]
- Andreas: doable; have to find something for unix
- 15:30:35 [oedipus]
- DS: has been re-writen
- 15:30:40 [oedipus]
- Andreas: what language?
- 15:30:45 [oedipus]
- DS: ruby, perhaps?
- 15:30:58 [oedipus]
- DS: would be really useful
- 15:31:20 [oedipus]
- trackbot, status?
- 15:31:28 [HelderMagalhaes]
- helper link: maybe inspire in qooxdoo (JS framework) API documentation browser (http://demo.qooxdoo.org/current/apiviewer/)
- 15:31:35 [oedipus]
- Andreas: very slow currently
- 15:31:41 [DavePorter]
- To Robert Longson, what are the main faults in Mozilla when accessing / altering the SVG DOM? Is that documented well or somewhere?
- 15:31:48 [oedipus]
- DS: have whole list of features for w3c one - searchability important
- 15:32:25 [oedipus]
- JS: also contribute books/pages to SVG community site to get seeded
- 15:33:03 [oedipus]
- RESOLVED: site name will be decided on mailing list as quickly as possible
- 15:33:15 [oedipus]
- TOPIC: Andreas & Google
- 15:33:19 [oedipus]
- JS: update?
- 15:34:17 [oedipus]
- A: very brief response from google; told that not decision maker - has to bring to attention of others at google; want to know confluence of research points; told him not yet settled
- 15:34:37 [oedipus]
- JS: DavidD suggested september might be too late for those starting university, so perhaps in August
- 15:34:43 [oedipus]
- A: first thing to do is get organizer
- 15:35:03 [oedipus]
- JS: waiting to hear from them on that; need to identify an organizer
- 15:35:17 [longsonr]
- At the moment we are working on making ID changes trackable. that is if you change the id attribute of a pattern, gradient, text-path etc so that it matches existing content xlink:href then the existing content should detect that update
- 15:35:19 [oedipus]
- DS: if we have the site, Andreas now has functional software
- 15:35:38 [longsonr]
- most of the id matching update is done and it should be complete for fx 3.1
- 15:36:17 [oedipus]
- DS: could put out call for papers and start the process -- some people may need to know exactly where will be -- can say in "north america" will keep informed as to exact location, but host doesn't have anything to do with that part of process -- finding other sponsors, calling for papers
- 15:36:23 [longsonr]
- there is very little documentation other than looking in bugzilla to determine what doesn't work
- 15:36:33 [oedipus]
- JS: timeline: can't draw timeline for paper submission if don't know when conference is
- 15:36:59 [oedipus]
- ??: north america is very vague -- funding always a problem
- 15:37:21 [oedipus]
- DS: as get more specific pull in more people, but can first get idea of what people are interested in
- 15:37:27 [oedipus]
- s/??: /RR:
- 15:37:43 [oedipus]
- JS: someone working on website for svg2009open?
- 15:37:58 [oedipus]
- A: hoping to reuse existing layout to create new one
- 15:38:03 [DavePorter]
- Thanks Robert for the insights--appreciated.
- 15:38:23 [oedipus]
- DS: like look of the 2008, but backgrounds not good - tables with images behind them
- 15:38:39 [oedipus]
- DS: another thing on community site is authoring tools and designer tips
- 15:39:05 [oedipus]
- DS: Bruce has been compling lists of links for SVG -- might be interested in sharing some of that on community site
- 15:39:16 [JeffSchiller]
- Ruud
- 15:39:36 [oedipus]
- s/Bruce/Ruud
- 15:39:48 [HelderMagalhaes]
- Andreas: also the site missed some features like RSS feeds and automated anchors (i.e., page#subsection).
- 15:40:11 [oedipus]
- JS: should we assign an action to get web site going in context of IG; leave as separate activity
- 15:40:17 [oedipus]
- A: fine for me
- 15:40:29 [oedipus]
- JS: hopefully hear by next call about sponsorship
- 15:40:36 [oedipus]
- TOPIC: Test Fest (Ottawa)
- 15:40:46 [an]
- yes, Helder, I received your mail recently about improving the website
- 15:40:47 [oedipus]
- JS: Doug and several others attended - thumbnail?
- 15:41:32 [Rob_Russell]
- Ottawa Testfest
- 15:41:51 [oedipus]
- DS: usual suspects: bitflash, opera and others in SVG WG; tested batik and eSVG and abra from company in australia; motorola also there;
- 15:42:52 [oedipus]
- DS: ran tests in test suite on each implementation; kept spreadsheet open to log passes and fails; decided if test criteria correct; made other decisions about tests itself; have 570 tests, 500 approved, which means that will be added to test suite
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- DS: reason have test bed is to ensure that each feature in spec has been tested to ensure that is implementable; not a conformance test suite, but an implementability test suite
- 15:43:42 [oedipus]
- DS: in order to progress, SVG WG has to demonstrate features specified are implementable interoperably
- 15:44:04 [oedipus]
- DS: tests veer off into efficiency and interoperability aspects, but basically test to ensure feature can be implemented
- 15:44:20 [HelderMagalhaes]
- Will test fest results be made available to the public? (like the previous interim report at http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20070907/matrix.html)
- 15:44:40 [oedipus]
- DS: criterion for going into PR -- need at least 2 passes for each test -- one has to be a mobile user agent because this SVG profile specifically for mobile devices
- 15:45:04 [oedipus]
- DS: successful testfest -- SVG has one of deepest test beds at W3C
- 15:45:34 [oedipus]
- DS: did not have complete coverage for all tests, but now browser devs know what holes need to be plugged; 2 weeks from now our deadline
- 15:46:39 [oedipus]
- DS: first pass 25 tests for which didn't have 2 implementations; on subsequent examination, found problem with test and fixed; others (partial) spawned sub-tests; at end, have 10 still need 2 implementatinos for and devs working feverishly on implementing by end of 2 weeks
- 15:46:56 [oedipus]
- DS: test suites are never complete, but good news is most tests passed by most UAs
- 15:47:06 [oedipus]
- JS: results published?
- 15:47:46 [oedipus]
- DS: because people use as indication of conformance, even though that is NOT what it is for, held off on announcing it; publically available if one looks hard enough; will be publishing in full at TPAC 2009
- 15:48:10 [oedipus]
- DS: didn't want to hurry publication, because wanted to give vendors final chance to show have good coverage for all the features
- 15:49:32 [oedipus]
- DS: right now, test suite uses xml:id for all tests -- since xml:id required by SVG 1.2 Tiny, thinking of forking test suite; tests that don't use xml:id redone to use plain id -- would improve implementation matrix
- 15:49:45 [oedipus]
- JS: sounds good - opera support xml:id?
- 15:49:48 [oedipus]
- DS: yes
- 15:50:04 [HelderMagalhaes]
- @Doug Yes, didn't mean in a short term, I just guess the community would benefit from knowing which features can be used in a mid-term basis... :-)
- 15:50:18 [oedipus]
- JS: high performance SVG engines
- 15:50:32 [oedipus]
- JS: new javascript engines that increase performance - would be good to demo
- 15:50:40 [shepazu]
- @HelderMagalhaes: yes, agreed
- 15:50:53 [oedipus]
- JS: script that generates snow in a page of DIV; used google chrome to get maximum effect
- 15:51:07 [oedipus]
- JS: want more complex demos to show off power not only of SVG but engines themselves
- 15:51:32 [oedipus]
- JS: put up brainstorming page on SVGIG wiki to increase exposure of SVG to general web developers
- 15:51:38 [oedipus]
- TOPIC: Accessibility
- 15:52:18 [oedipus]
- JS: has accessibility activity; inkscape to put in accessible info (title, desc, etc.); got patches in on windows side, but not linux side
- 15:52:46 [oedipus]
- GJR: check against ATAG 1.0 and ATAG 2.0 (http://www.w3.org/TR/atag10 http://www.w3.org/TR/atag20)
- 15:53:16 [oedipus]
- JS: still have action to put together microtest SVG pages to run through diff browsers to document behaviors so can reach consensus on what browsers should do
- 15:54:13 [HelderMagalhaes]
- @JeffSchiller Trying to implement title and desc hack for ASV (script) but currently facing several limitations... :-|
- 15:54:29 [oedipus]
- GJR: if need to ping me on ATAG, please do
- 15:54:31 [JeffSchiller]
- Helder: sounds good - can we discuss on the mailing list
- 15:55:31 [oedipus]
- Bruce: Rob talked about browser SVG plugin for IE -- is plugin for IE that will render SVG -- ActiveX control pare down to SVG or Math component to make available for IE plug in
- 15:55:32 [HelderMagalhaes]
- @JeffSchiller: Also, Firefox doesn't support "title" nor "desc", but does support "xlink:title".
- 15:55:45 [oedipus]
- Rob: plans to do in near-to-medium term
- 15:56:01 [oedipus]
- GJR: mozzie?
- 15:56:04 [oedipus]
- Rob: yes
- 15:56:29 [JeffSchiller]
- are we talking about http://www.savarese.org/software/mozie/index.html
- 15:56:33 [oedipus]
- http://sourceforge.net/projects/mozzie/
- 15:56:55 [oedipus]
- GJR: mozzie works well and doesn't cause problem with assistive tech
- 15:57:18 [oedipus]
- q+
- 15:58:06 [HelderMagalhaes]
- Trying to find the time to contribute a simple Batik-based applet viewer. Several things which are somehow blocking, though... (Have no idea on accessibility tech, didn't have thought of that).
- 15:58:11 [oedipus]
- GJR: AIA - http://accessinteropalliance
- 15:58:49 [oedipus]
- DS: talked with MS about API for general API for graphics - ARIA for diagrams, charts and maps that map to lower level APIs
- 15:59:28 [oedipus]
- http://www.accessinteropalliance.com/aboutus/index.html#bios
- 15:59:45 [oedipus]
- A: using flash for displaying SVG for complex applications
- 15:59:53 [oedipus]
- Bruce: couldn't see the DOM manipulation
- 16:00:17 [oedipus]
- GJR: Andrew Kirkpatrick: head of accessiblity at adobe also at AIA
- 16:00:41 [Zakim]
- -Wade_Johnson
- 16:00:47 [oedipus]
- GJR: AIA working groups and projects: http://www.accessinteropalliance.com/aboutus/index.html#Working
- 16:01:05 [DavePorter]
- Thank you for this meeting, and I have to drop off now. Cheers from Bellevue, WA, USA.
- 16:01:11 [Zakim]
- -Dave_Porter
- 16:01:34 [Manuel]
- sorry, have to leave. Bye!
- 16:01:38 [Zakim]
- -Manuel
- 16:01:59 [oedipus]
- JS: want natively done in IE; in meantime, what to do? standalone plugin has to be downloaded and installed; flash is ubiquitous
- 16:02:12 [oedipus]
- GJR: flash has accessibility issues -- being worked on, but still a MAJOR problem
- 16:02:24 [oedipus]
- DS: flash in IE very widely deployed
- 16:02:52 [oedipus]
- Bruce: if had great plugin, but from company no one knows, people might hesitate; if came from Adobe, then would be more likely to use
- 16:03:25 [oedipus]
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- 16:04:00 [HelderMagalhaes]
- Does anyone knows how far is Java accessible? Is it an option?
- 16:04:23 [HelderMagalhaes]
- (given the large percentage of deployments, not as good as flash but... :-) )
- 16:04:28 [Bruce]
- http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/chats/transcripts/08_0911_ez_ie8.mspx
- 16:04:29 [oedipus]
- java has native accessibility built-in, but needs the accessbridge for windows to work with current windows-based screen readers
- 16:06:06 [oedipus]
- http://www.adobe.com/accessibility/index.html
- 16:06:30 [oedipus]
- best practices for flash design: http://www.adobe.com/resources/accessibility/best_practices/bp_fp.html
- 16:08:37 [oedipus]
- http://java.sun.com/javase/technologies/accessibility/accessbridge/
- 16:09:14 [oedipus]
- http://java.sun.com/developer/earlyAccess/accessbridge/
- 16:09:47 [oedipus]
- GJR: notes that one can use pure java speech in the GUI, but not through tools GUI users used to using
- 16:09:48 [Zakim]
- -Bruce_Rindahl
- 16:09:49 [Zakim]
- -Don_Doherty
- 16:09:53 [Zakim]
- -Christophe_Strobbe
- 16:09:54 [Zakim]
- -Andreas_Neumann
- 16:10:02 [Zakim]
- -Gregory_Rosmaita
- 16:10:06 [oedipus]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 16:10:06 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svgig-minutes.html oedipus
- 16:10:48 [oedipus]
- rrsagent, set logs world-visible
- 16:10:51 [oedipus]
- rrsagent, set logs world-visible
- 16:10:53 [oedipus]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 16:10:53 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svgig-minutes.html oedipus
- 16:11:25 [oedipus]
- shepazu, you are right - today's HTML WG call has been cancelled
- 16:11:52 [oedipus]
- zakim, please part
- 16:11:52 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees were Shepazu, Gregory_Rosmaita, JeffSchiller, +00499181265aabb, Dave_Porter, +1.713.851.aacc, Manuel, Rob_Russell, Wade_Johnson,
- 16:11:52 [Zakim]
- Zakim has left #svgig
- 16:11:55 [Zakim]
- ... Robert_Longson, Christophe_Strobbe, +1.720.855.aadd, Bruce_Rindahl, Andreas_Neumann, +1.617.949.aaee, anthony, Don_Doherty
- 16:12:03 [oedipus]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 16:12:03 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svgig-minutes.html oedipus
- 16:13:45 [oedipus]
- when is the next SVGIG call -- the schedule dictates 23 october, but isn't that during TPAC?
- 16:14:40 [longsonr]
- longsonr has left #svgig
- 16:16:20 [oedipus]
- rrsagent, please draft minutes
- 16:16:20 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svgig-minutes.html oedipus
- 16:23:16 [oedipus]
- s/Test Fest (Ottawa)/Ottawa Testfest
- 16:23:26 [oedipus]
- rrsagent, please draft minutes
- 16:23:26 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svgig-minutes.html oedipus
- 16:27:58 [HelderMagalhaes]
- @oedipus: forget about politeness, use the large hammer instead. ;-)
- 16:28:29 [oedipus]
- @helder - command finally got through -- was going to use an industrial strength sledgehammer
- 16:31:14 [oedipus]
- chair: Jeff_Schiller
- 16:31:33 [oedipus]
- rrsagent, please draft minutes
- 16:31:33 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svgig-minutes.html oedipus
- 16:32:18 [oedipus]
- present+ Andreas_Neumann, Helder_Magalhaes
- 16:32:21 [oedipus]
- rrsagent, please draft minutes
- 16:32:21 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svgig-minutes.html oedipus
- 16:32:50 [oedipus]
- present+ Bruce_Rindahl
- 16:33:23 [oedipus]
- present+ Christophe_Strobbe
- 16:33:36 [oedipus]
- rrsagent, please draft minutes
- 16:33:36 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svgig-minutes.html oedipus
- 16:34:00 [oedipus]
- present+ Rob_Longson
- 16:34:56 [oedipus]
- present- [+1.713.851.aacc]
- 16:34:58 [oedipus]
- rrsagent, please draft minutes
- 16:34:58 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svgig-minutes.html oedipus
- 16:35:35 [oedipus]
- preset+ Anthony
- 16:35:58 [oedipus]
- present+ Don_Doherty
- 16:37:24 [oedipus]
- present- +1.713.851.aacc, +00499181265aabb
- 16:37:28 [oedipus]
- rrsagent, please draft minutes
- 16:37:28 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svgig-minutes.html oedipus
- 16:38:08 [oedipus]
- current participant list - did i miss anyone? Andreas_Neumann, Bruce_Rindahl, Christophe_Strobbe, Dave_Porter, Don_Doherty, Gregory_Rosmaita, Helder_Magalhaes, JeffSchiller, Manuel, Rob_Longson, Rob_Russell, Shepazu, Wade_Johnson
- 16:38:50 [ddepasqu]
- I was on the irc channel only. Not sure if that's what you were asking
- 16:39:43 [ddepasqu]
- thanks
- 16:39:54 [oedipus]
- present+ Dom_DePasquale_IRC_only
- 16:40:10 [ddepasqu]
- Yes. Looks good
- 16:40:23 [oedipus]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 16:40:23 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svgig-minutes.html oedipus
- 16:41:09 [oedipus]
- regrets: David_Dailey
- 16:41:13 [oedipus]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 16:41:13 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svgig-minutes.html oedipus
- 16:42:45 [oedipus]
- rrsagent, please part
- 16:42:45 [RRSAgent]
- I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svgig-actions.rdf :
- 16:42:45 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Doug - work with Andreas on object browser [1]
- 16:42:45 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-svgig-irc#T15-30-04