13:54:09 RRSAgent has joined #bpwg 13:54:09 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/10/09-bpwg-irc 13:54:11 RRSAgent, make logs public 13:54:11 Zakim has joined #bpwg 13:54:13 Zakim, this will be BPWG 13:54:13 ok, trackbot; I see MWI_BPWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes 13:54:14 Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference 13:54:14 Date: 09 October 2008 13:54:22 Chair: DKA 13:55:01 cgi-irc has joined #bpwg 13:55:21 Regrets: Miguel, SeanP, dom, hgerlach, AlanC, jeffs 13:55:45 nacho has joined #bpwg 13:55:48 MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has now started 13:55:55 + +0207881aaaa 13:56:03 zakim, aaaa is me 13:56:04 +cgi-irc; got it 13:56:53 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Oct/0013.html 13:59:41 yeliz has joined #bpwg 13:59:54 rob has joined #bpwg 13:59:57 nacho has joined #bpwg 14:00:16 + +0207866aabb 14:00:20 -cgi-irc 14:00:22 +cgi-irc 14:00:49 +Francois 14:00:58 DKA has joined #bpwg 14:01:06 zakim, who is here? 14:01:06 On the phone I see cgi-irc, +0207866aabb, Francois 14:01:07 On IRC I see DKA, nacho, rob, yeliz, adam, Zakim, RRSAgent, Sangwhan_Moon, francois, matt, dom, trackbot 14:01:16 zakim, aabb is DKA 14:01:16 +DKA; got it 14:01:17 dom has left #bpwg 14:01:25 +rob 14:01:35 zakim, DKA is Vodafone 14:01:35 zakim, cgi-irc is me 14:01:37 +Vodafone; got it 14:01:39 +adam; got it 14:01:48 jo has joined #bpwg 14:01:51 zakim, Vodafone holds DKA and jo 14:01:52 +DKA, jo; got it 14:01:58 zakim, who is here? 14:02:03 On the phone I see adam, Vodafone, Francois, rob 14:02:07 Vodafone has DKA, jo 14:02:14 On IRC I see jo, DKA, nacho, rob, yeliz, adam, Zakim, RRSAgent, Sangwhan_Moon, francois, matt, trackbot 14:02:55 Bryan has joined #bpwg 14:02:56 + +0121707aacc 14:03:04 +??P16 14:03:15 zakim, who is here? 14:03:18 On the phone I see adam, Vodafone, Francois, rob, +0121707aacc, ??P16 14:03:22 Vodafone has DKA, jo 14:03:23 On IRC I see Bryan, jo, DKA, nacho, yeliz, adam, Zakim, RRSAgent, Sangwhan_Moon, francois, matt, trackbot 14:03:25 +Bryan_Sullivan 14:03:27 zakim, ??P16 is me 14:03:29 +Sangwhan_Moon; got it 14:03:35 jsmanrique has joined #bpwg 14:03:41 brucel has joined #bpwg 14:03:49 zakim, who i shere 14:03:49 I don't understand 'who i shere', jo 14:03:57 zakim, who is here? 14:03:57 On the phone I see adam, Vodafone, Francois, rob, +0121707aacc, Sangwhan_Moon, Bryan_Sullivan 14:03:59 Vodafone has DKA, jo 14:04:02 On IRC I see brucel, jsmanrique, Bryan, jo, DKA, nacho, yeliz, adam, Zakim, RRSAgent, Sangwhan_Moon, francois, matt, trackbot 14:04:18 rob has joined #bpwg 14:04:38 +??P19 14:04:47 yes, hi 14:04:50 zakim, p19 is me 14:04:50 sorry, nacho, I do not recognize a party named 'p19' 14:04:54 -adam 14:04:59 + +0472369aadd 14:04:59 zakim, ??p19 is me 14:04:59 zakim, aacc is brucel 14:05:02 +nacho; got it 14:05:05 abel has joined #bpwg 14:05:06 +brucel; got it 14:05:11 zakim, who is making noise? 14:05:16 zakim, mute me 14:05:20 nacho should now be muted 14:05:22 zakim, mute me 14:05:26 +berrueta 14:05:30 jo, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Vodafone (52%), brucel (19%) 14:05:33 zakim, who is here? 14:05:34 Sangwhan_Moon should now be muted 14:05:36 +adam 14:05:40 zakim, berrueta is me 14:05:40 On the phone I see Vodafone, Francois, rob, brucel, Sangwhan_Moon (muted), Bryan_Sullivan, nacho (muted), +0472369aadd, berrueta, adam 14:05:45 Vodafone has DKA, jo 14:05:47 +abel; got it 14:05:52 On IRC I see abel, rob, brucel, jsmanrique, Bryan, jo, DKA, nacho, yeliz, adam, Zakim, RRSAgent, Sangwhan_Moon, francois, matt, trackbot 14:06:19 zakim, aadd is DavidStorey 14:06:19 +DavidStorey; got it 14:07:12 + +2 14:07:24 zakim, + 2 is yeliz 14:07:24 I don't understand '+ 2 is yeliz', yeliz 14:07:36 zakim, + + 2 is yeliz 14:07:36 I don't understand '+ + 2 is yeliz', yeliz 14:07:37 zakim, who is here? 14:07:38 On the phone I see Vodafone, Francois, rob, brucel, Sangwhan_Moon (muted), Bryan_Sullivan, nacho (muted), DavidStorey, abel, adam, +2 14:07:39 zakim, +2 is yeliz 14:07:41 abel has abel, manrique 14:07:41 Vodafone has DKA, jo 14:07:43 On IRC I see abel, rob, brucel, jsmanrique, Bryan, jo, DKA, nacho, yeliz, adam, Zakim, RRSAgent, Sangwhan_Moon, francois, matt, trackbot 14:07:45 +yeliz; got it 14:08:12 zakim, mute me 14:08:15 yeliz should now be muted 14:08:35 zakim, pick a victim 14:08:36 zakim, unmute yeliz 14:08:43 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose DavidStorey 14:08:47 yeliz should no longer be muted 14:09:01 Scribe: yeliz 14:09:01 scribe: yeliz 14:09:06 ScribeNick: yeliz 14:09:15 Topic: Task forces report 14:10:13 q+ 14:10:15 Francois: On Tuesday we had a good discussion, and send an email to XX, we are moving forward, but still take time 14:10:19 ack bry 14:10:36 Bryan: wasn't on that call, I send a list of comments inrespnonse to Tom's comment 14:10:58 link rewriting comment, we decided to look into that more detail 14:11:05 dstorey has joined #bpwg 14:11:10 people need to be aware of that, it is an important topic 14:11:43 Francois: I have read what you have done, I am not sure if at the end we will end up with detailed guidelines 14:12:03 Francois: we have to make sure that we have the big picture, before we write down things to the spec 14:12:15 Bryan: just wanted to raise those points 14:12:26 s/XX/IETF TLS Working Group/ 14:13:03 Francois: I don't think it will be ready by the end of f2f meeting, unfortunately 14:13:29 DKA: will add that to agenda, how much time we should spend on the agenda 14:13:37 DKA: could easily spend a day 14:13:54 Francois: one day too much, half day fantastic 14:14:12 Agenda: Korea (if present) 14:14:22 DKA: any mode from Korea? 14:14:55 Agenda: Checker 14:15:09 zakim, who is talking? 14:15:13 Miguel: little bit activity in the mailing list 14:15:20 Sangwhan_Moon, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Vodafone (14%), abel (72%), yeliz (49%) 14:15:20 s/Agenda: /Topic: / 14:15:27 miguel: some people asking how to use but nothing new in the development 14:15:35 s/Agenda: Korea/Topic: Korea/ 14:15:47 DKA: anything that needs to be done in the f2f regarding checker 14:15:57 DKA: what time would u like with the checker 14:15:59 s/Miguel:/Abel:/ 14:16:09 s/miguel:/Abel:/ 14:16:15 Abel: not sure 14:16:36 Abel: HTTP stuff would be good to discuss 14:16:45 DKA: clarification? 14:16:47 s/HTTP stuff/HTTPS stuff/ 14:17:16 q+ 14:17:18 Jo: I don't think we can do much before the f2f 14:17:31 ack fr 14:18:02 Francois: final change HTTPS, we need to address it ASAP, I don't think we can publish it before the F2F 14:18:13 Francois: Jo do you have time to work on this? 14:18:19 Jo: I will do that tomorrow 14:18:24 Francois: Fantastic 14:18:29 s/I don't think we can do much before the f2f/I think we will be done with this before the f3f but the change we proposed to mobileOK Basic Tests doesn't seem to work for the WSC WG/ 14:18:52 Topic: Mobile Accessibility 14:19:10 DKA: Regarding Shawn's email to the public list, anything to discuss there 14:19:56 Jo: Yeliz is looking for feedback from several people, including me, I think 14:20:16 yeliz: yes, I addressed all the feedback I received in the latest version 14:20:27 jo: my assumption is that when that is done, we're done, right? 14:20:31 yeliz: yes. 14:20:52 ... I won't be able to attend the F2F meeting. 14:21:02 ... The EOWG is happy with this version. 14:21:30 Topic: BP 1.5 14:22:25 Jo: haven't seen any comment in the mailing list, I think we need to action everybody for that 14:22:45 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Oct/0001.html 14:23:40 DKA: theme for feedback, free chocolate 14:23:58 DKA: I will provide the chocolate, it works for 7 years old 14:24:28 Topic: mobileOK scheme 14:24:41 Jo: I haven't seen anything happened 14:24:58 Jo: I believe XXX was redrafting 14:25:09 s/XXX/Phil 14:25:53 DKA: I think he is going to be in town because 14:26:24 DKA: I can't see the result, Francois you need to tell us.. 14:27:14 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Oct/0014.html 14:27:19 Topic: BP 2.0 14:27:41 DKA: can you take us through this current draft 14:27:49 relatively small changes 14:28:04 tackle namely those minor comments 14:28:24 Added a new section, 14:28:49 will try to fold in new useful best practices and also some more that have been emailed to the list 14:28:57 so that we can also disscuss at F2F 14:29:00 [Phil is not attending on Monday, and is attending the Semantic Web WG on Tuesday] 14:29:10 Jo: we need to have a stable draft before F2F 14:29:21 Jo: we need to have the changes before the F2F 14:29:29 s/Semantic Web WG/Semantic Web IG/ 14:29:44 Will do it before the begining of next week 14:30:21 DKA: will read it before the meeting 14:30:53 DKA: anything else we need to discuss about this document? 14:31:07 DKA: I can think of one more thing, latency section 14:31:14 DKA: change it around, etc 14:31:28 I think some of the sections need refactoring 14:31:43 For example, one Web, not sure what the intend of this 14:31:56 DKA: The intend is ... 14:32:13 + +0496151680aaff 14:32:22 There are issues raised with respect to Bryan's comments, or may be we want to read it before 14:32:27 zakim, aaff is kai 14:32:27 +kai; got it 14:33:00 We got some open issues that Bryan raised, I addressed those so we can discuss those 14:33:12 so we can discuss my changes 14:33:14 Kai has joined #bpwg 14:33:23 DKA: why don't we discuss those 14:33:41 DKA: do you want to introduce them? 14:33:45 s/There are issues /Adam: There are issues / 14:33:46 -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/open?sort=product Open issues per product 14:34:00 Adam: can somebody open the issues 14:34:03 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/open 14:34:05 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/Drafts/BestPractices-2.0/ED-mobile-bp2-20081008 14:34:08 Adam:? 14:34:19 Adam: here is the document 14:34:47 Kai: any easy way of versioning on HTML documents? 14:35:16 -> http://www.w3.org/2007/10/htmldiff Dom's Diffatron 14:35:33 DKA: I got the list of issues here 14:35:43 DKA: Issue 227 14:35:50 ISSUE-277? 14:35:50 ISSUE-277 -- 3.3.1 Inform user about automatic network access and provide control -- OPEN 14:35:50 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/277 14:36:28 DKA: is it worth going through these 14:36:38 DKA:? and we can close the issue 14:37:11 -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/Drafts/BestPractices-2.0/ED-mobile-bp2-20081008#bp-inform-automation section 3.1.1 14:37:12 s/DKA: Issue 227/Topic: ISSUE-277 14:37:29 Adam: I separated out the whole section and added in some more details about what kind of information can be used to inform the user 14:37:55 Adam: lost all my links 14:38:32 close ISSUE-277 14:39:05 Adam: I haven't done that - Issue: XXX 14:39:27 Adam: Automatic access, when is the good place to it, I couldn't think of anything else 14:39:40 Adam: do people have some ideas on this? 14:39:59 Issue 279 14:39:59 s/XXX/279 14:40:03 ISSUE-279 14:40:07 ISSUE-279? 14:40:07 ISSUE-279 -- 4.3.3 Provide Disclosures that are Timely and Accessible -- OPEN 14:40:07 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/279 14:40:34 s/Issue 279/Topic: ISSUE-279/ 14:41:07 DKA: add an action to complete that 14:41:09 ACTION: Bryan to propose text ref ISSUE-279 14:41:09 Created ACTION-861 - Propose text ref ISSUE-279 [on Bryan Sullivan - due 2008-10-16]. 14:41:18 Topic: ISSUE-278 14:41:25 ISSUE-278? 14:41:25 ISSUE-278 -- 3.3.2 Inform user about use of PIM information -- OPEN 14:41:25 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/278 14:41:28 ISSUE-278? 14:41:28 ISSUE-278 -- 3.3.2 Inform user about use of PIM information -- OPEN 14:41:28 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/278 14:41:57 Adam: Thank kind of works for me 14:42:12 -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/Drafts/BestPractices-2.0/ED-mobile-bp2-20081008#bp-inform-personalinfo section 3.3.2 14:42:25 Adam: I added of kinds of things that the user could do to address that 14:42:57 Kai: When you say xxx are you talkig about context server? 14:43:31 Adam: In section 3.3.2 there is a bulleted list 14:43:40 s/xxx/PIM/ 14:43:48 Adam: I have to go through my notes to check the changes 14:43:57 DKA: Any other issues that we can close 14:44:02 DKA:? 14:44:58 Adam: best to stay for f2f, 3.1.1 retain personalisation information...Need to refactor and find another home for that, best to discuss at F2F 14:45:26 Action: Adam to send email about issues 14:45:27 Created ACTION-862 - Send email about issues [on Adam Connors - due 2008-10-16]. 14:45:38 Kai: I won't be at F2F 14:46:14 Kai: needs discussion on whole notion of tailoring your content/application for device 14:46:21 s/Kai: When you say/Bryan: When you say/ 14:46:37 s/Kai: I won/Bryan: I won/ 14:46:50 s/Kai: needs discussion/Bryan: needs discussion/ 14:47:13 Bryan: what my user agent is? how user agents discloses its identity and capability 14:47:31 Bryan: is not well received with this group which puzzled me 14:47:53 DKA: Web apps group done a lot of work... 14:48:21 DKA: both BP1 and BP2 based on the idea that you have information about the device and you build UI based on that knowledge 14:48:42 DKA: how you get that device knowledge? may be that's why we try to be away from that 14:48:54 Bryan: Other group is working on.. 14:49:05 Bryan: This group is working on... 14:49:46 DKA: didn't your ... Browser is a web application, little semantic difference 14:50:19 DKA: looked at phone widgest...Other widgets, they all disclose information about the type 14:51:14 DKA: May be I am wrong, but we assumed that you have a device knowledge 14:51:56 DKA: we have agreed to explore in the document...In BP 2, we agreed to specify device knowledge you need 14:52:42 q+ 14:52:57 Bryan: how to differentiate from one vendor to the other 14:53:13 DKA: talking about adding something to the response header 14:53:25 Bryan: you have the ability to add on 14:53:58 q? 14:54:08 s/you have the ability to add/I referring 14:54:10 Bryan: weak identity....you can also accept header...Those are requests 14:54:13 q+ 14:54:27 DKA: we need some public feedback 14:54:44 DKA: we need to document that issue in the draft and seek public feedback 14:54:49 s/I referring/I was referring to the HTTP request and say if you look at XHR, you'll see that the ability to add on the User-Agent, Accept headers is there 14:54:57 ack me 14:55:02 q? 14:55:25 Jo: I don't see emergency in this, I don't.... 14:56:15 Bryan: web application...who they are, what they can do? what they expect 14:56:31 Bryan: you have all the capabilities of all those APIs 14:56:33 ack adam 14:56:42 s/I don't..../I don't see the use case right now, because web apps talk to their mother server/ 14:57:15 s/wurfl/device atlas/ 14:57:23 Adam: Web app on the client need to know the device to render properly, may be there are use to 14:57:43 Adam: I haven't see an email to the mailing list, a use case? I have difficulty understanding the use case 14:57:52 4. The XMLHttpRequest Object 14:57:54 The XMLHttpRequest object can be used by scripts to programmatically connect to their originating server via HTTP. 14:57:58 -rob 14:58:23 DKA: the text will be changed 14:58:42 Jo: we can't talk about a recommendation that does not exist today 14:58:48 Jo: we cannot just guess 14:59:04 DKA: any other comments? 14:59:16 ack fran 15:00:21 Francois: dealing with the HTTP request, is not intended for browsing, intended to be processed by Web apps, a real use case? don't have a clear opinion 15:00:34 DKA: there might be some arguments...Need feedback 15:00:50 DKA: it's clear you could do... 15:01:11 DKA: it makes sense to seek for public feedback 15:01:36 s/dealing with the HTTP request,/amending the HTTP User-Agent to identify the Web App could be useful when there is a Content Transformation proxy on the line to tell that it 15:02:15 Bryan: I can also raise a issue, I can't see how... 15:02:22 DKA: request feedback on this point 15:03:58 DKA: no feedback...it doesn't mean anything 15:04:08 DKA: need feedback yes or no.. 15:04:15 DKA: public discussion... 15:05:39 DKA: there is a new W3C group to.. 15:05:44 Topic: ISSUE-247 15:05:49 ISSUE-247? 15:05:50 ISSUE-247 -- What advices can we offer on the use of geolocation in mobile web applications? -- OPEN 15:05:50 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/247 15:06:43 DKA: in my view, I encourage everybody to check the charter and possibly join the group 15:07:02 DKA: we can close the issue 15:07:21 DKA: any other comments? 15:07:41 DKA: may be we do need something in the document 15:08:16 Jo: we don't have to ... in the document 15:08:25 +1 15:08:29 Jo: we can't have a best partice 15:09:15 Adam: just a long list of ... 15:09:21 DKA: lets close this issue 15:09:35 close ISSUE-247 15:10:14 s/we can't have a best partice/we can't have a best practice that relates to a rec that hasn't been written/ 15:10:21 DKA: are there other issues or actions that people would like to discuss? 15:10:40 ISSUE-276? 15:10:40 ISSUE-276 -- 3.1.1 Retain Personalization Information -- RAISED 15:10:40 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/276 15:11:59 DKA: I like to close action 851 15:12:01 ACTION-851? 15:12:01 ACTION-851 -- Daniel Appelquist to write to WebApps to see if we could hold a joint meeting during TPAC F2F -- due 2008-10-02 -- OPEN 15:12:01 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/851 15:12:07 close ACTION-851 15:12:07 Close ACTION-851 15:12:07 ACTION-851 Write to WebApps to see if we could hold a joint meeting during TPAC F2F closed 15:12:07 ACTION-851 Write to WebApps to see if we could hold a joint meeting during TPAC F2F closed 15:12:20 close action-839 15:12:20 ACTION-839 Arrange BP 2.0 editorial meeting to fit in with his hectic globe trotting schedule closed 15:12:22 ACTION-839? 15:12:22 ACTION-839 -- Daniel Appelquist to arrange BP 2.0 editorial meeting to fit in with his hectic globe trotting schedule -- due 2008-09-11 -- CLOSED 15:12:22 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/839 15:12:43 q+ 15:12:48 DKA: any other actions that people have completed? 15:12:56 zakim, mute me 15:12:56 yeliz should now be muted 15:13:17 ack fra 15:13:19 ACTION-849? 15:13:19 ACTION-849 -- François Daoust to check about missing Korean participants -- due 2008-09-25 -- PENDINGREVIEW 15:13:19 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/849 15:13:33 close ACTION-849 15:13:33 ACTION-849 Check about missing Korean participants closed 15:13:35 Francois: action 849 can be closed as well 15:13:53 Close ACTION-856 15:13:53 ACTION-856 Chase WSC WG ref proposed change to mobileOK Basic closed 15:13:54 ACTION-841? 15:13:54 ACTION-841 -- Jo Rabin to review WSC comment and propose new wording -- due 2008-09-11 -- PENDINGREVIEW 15:13:54 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/841 15:14:09 close ACTION-841 15:14:10 ACTION-841 Review WSC comment and propose new wording closed 15:14:13 Jo: action 841 could be closed? 15:14:19 ACTION-851 15:14:26 ACTION-851? 15:14:26 ACTION-851 -- Daniel Appelquist to write to WebApps to see if we could hold a joint meeting during TPAC F2F -- due 2008-10-02 -- CLOSED 15:14:26 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/851 15:14:33 ACTION-859? 15:14:33 ACTION-859 -- François Daoust to contact IETF TLS group and advise them of what we are thinking and ask for guidance on what to recommend to Content Provider about detecting the presence of a man-in-the-middle proxy -- due 2008-10-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW 15:14:33 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/859 15:14:44 ACTION-841? 15:14:44 ACTION-841 -- Jo Rabin to review WSC comment and propose new wording -- due 2008-09-11 -- CLOSED 15:14:44 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/841 15:15:03 We can close 837 15:15:13 ACTION-837? 15:15:13 ACTION-837 -- Kai Scheppe to provide explanatory text for the addendum which will put the document (mobileOK Pro Tests 1) in the correct context and explain to the audience that it is intended to aid content authors in creating still better content. -- due 2008-09-11 -- PENDINGREVIEW 15:15:13 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/837 15:15:18 ACTION: Jo to reword following WSC WG feedback on proposed changes to mobileOK Basic 15:15:18 Created ACTION-863 - Reword following WSC WG feedback on proposed changes to mobileOK Basic [on Jo Rabin - due 2008-10-16]. 15:15:25 -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/pendingreview Actions pending review 15:15:39 ACTION-792? 15:15:39 ACTION-792 -- Abel Rionda to propose some text on SVG -- due 2008-07-31 -- PENDINGREVIEW 15:15:39 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/792 15:16:43 DKA: we don't have any txt on SVG 15:17:36 DKA: the text is actually here 15:17:48 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jul/0090.html 15:17:50 DKA: we need to think about his, Adam r u aware of this? 15:17:51 close action-739 15:17:51 ACTION-739 Summarize (again) discussion on Ajax/XHR and propose some resolutions closed 15:17:54 Adam: probably not 15:18:49 DKA: web developers might want to SVG, ...working group is working a format to encourage people use SVG 15:19:10 DKA: what I suggest Adam review the input and then give feedback to the group 15:19:16 Adam: that sounds good 15:19:23 Adam: will print out and give feedback 15:20:27 DKA: Action on Adam and Bryan ... 15:20:47 DKA: discuss in the next 10 mnutes 15:20:50 DKA:? 15:21:15 close action-793 15:21:15 ACTION-793 Work with Scott to produce proposed text on caching that goes beyond BP 1 closed 15:21:19 DKA: suggest action Adam to review people and Bryan should also review 15:21:34 DKA: suggest to close the call? 15:21:48 DKA: any F2F logistical issue? 15:21:53 Francois: no 15:22:11 Francois: we will have xxx on both Monday and Tuesyda 15:22:25