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11:33:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
11:33:24 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_MFWG()8:00AM scheduled to start in 27 minutes
11:33:25 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
11:33:25 <trackbot> Date: 08 October 2008
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11:59:17 <Zakim> IA_MFWG()8:00AM has now started
11:59:22 <raphael> zakim, which telecon?
11:59:22 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, raphael.
11:59:24 <Zakim> + +0329331aaaa
11:59:45 <davy> zakim, aaaa is Erik
11:59:45 <Zakim> +Erik; got it
12:00:13 <Zakim> +??P2
12:00:16 <Zakim> -Erik
12:00:17 <Zakim> +Erik
12:01:47 <Zakim> +Yves
12:02:06 <Zakim> +Thierry
12:02:44 <raphael> trackbot, start telecon
12:02:44 <trackbot> Sorry, raphael, I don't understand 'trackbot, start telecon'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
12:03:02 <raphael> trackbot, start telcon
12:03:04 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
12:03:06 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
12:03:06 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see IA_MFWG()8:00AM already started
12:03:07 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
12:03:07 <trackbot> Date: 08 October 2008
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12:03:22 <raphael> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2008Oct/0040.html
12:03:32 <raphael> zakim, who is making noise?
12:03:38 <thierry> zakim, mute me
12:03:38 <Zakim> Thierry should now be muted
12:03:45 <Zakim> raphael, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Erik (5%), raphael (4%), Thierry (37%)
12:04:04 <raphael> Chair: Erik
12:04:29 <Zakim> +Michael_Hausenblas
12:05:05 <raphael> Present: Erik, Raphael, Yves, Thierry, Davy, Silvia, Michael
12:05:14 <raphael> Regrets: Jack
12:05:27 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Michael_Hausenblas
12:06:23 <raphael> Scribe: Michael
12:06:35 <raphael> scribenick: mhausenblas
12:06:50 <raphael> Topic: 1. ADMIN
12:07:01 <mhausenblas> Eric: Accept minutes?
12:07:04 <raphael> +1 for accepting the minutes
12:07:31 <mhausenblas> s/Eric/Erik
12:08:07 <mhausenblas> Yves will take care of the Wiki issue right after call
12:08:17 <raphael> RESOLVED: minutes from 2008/10/01 telecon accepted
12:08:19 <mhausenblas> Zakim, mute me
12:08:19 <Zakim> sorry, mhausenblas, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
12:08:36 <mhausenblas> Topic: Issues
12:09:01 <raphael> s/Issues/2. ISSUES
12:09:07 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Issues Issues
12:09:42 <mhausenblas> Raphael: I've structured the issue on the Wiki, most seem to concern all UC
12:10:07 <thierry> zakim, unmute me
12:10:07 <Zakim> Thierry should no longer be muted
12:11:43 <mhausenblas> ... temporal seem ok spatial is still open
12:12:33 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
12:12:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-minutes.html mhausenblas
12:12:36 <Zakim> + +61.2.801.2.aabb
12:12:52 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aabb is nessy
12:12:52 <Zakim> +nessy; got it
12:13:02 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public 
12:14:15 <mhausenblas> Silvia: temporally connected fragments?
12:14:23 <mhausenblas> Raphael: Video UC
12:15:58 <mhausenblas> Silvia: multiple URIs is hard to deal with, though I see it is needed
12:16:25 <mhausenblas> Raphael: Thinking back of the interview, edited in two parts
12:16:25 <raphael> Silvia points out the complexity of multi-fragment URIs
12:18:54 <raphael> Given what Silvia suggests, I think this issue is related to the playlist UC
12:19:32 <nessy> xspf = playlist format
12:20:08 <raphael> The question boils to: can a multi-fragment URI be implemented as a playlist? is it the same thing?
12:21:10 <mhausenblas> Silvia: follow up on F2F
12:21:30 <mhausenblas> Erik: spatial fragment shape?
12:22:29 <mhausenblas> Raphael: Might be a matter of complexity, maybe in the second phase of the WG?
12:23:07 <raphael> Silvia suggests to look at the image maps specification
12:23:20 <mhausenblas> Raphael: will look into it
12:23:44 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Raphael to look into image maps spec re spatial fragment shape
12:23:44 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Raphael
12:24:10 <mhausenblas> Erik: containers and substreams
12:24:51 <mhausenblas> Silvia: From HTTP POV we're looking at resources
12:25:01 <mhausenblas> ... in the media POV a container
12:25:31 <raphael> q+
12:25:36 <mhausenblas> ... however re RTSP the format the container
12:26:01 <mhausenblas> ... should focus on HTTP
12:26:08 <mhausenblas> ack raphael
12:26:40 <mhausenblas> Raphael: Wouldn't is make sense to list all container formats we want to deal with?
12:27:34 <mhausenblas> Davy: ack to support container formats
12:27:42 <raphael> Is the Matroska (mkv) format relevant for example?
12:28:21 <Yves> documenting what we investigated is good for other people to find out where we are coming from once we have a solution
12:28:31 <raphael> +1 for documentation
12:28:34 <mhausenblas> +1
12:28:43 <raphael> q+
12:29:01 <mhausenblas> ack raphael
12:29:10 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
12:29:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-minutes.html mhausenblas
12:30:02 <mhausenblas> sorry, for whom?
12:30:29 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Davy and Erik to document container formats
12:30:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-3 - And Erik to document container formats [on Davy Van Deursen - due 2008-10-15].
12:30:59 <mhausenblas> Erik: In-context / Out-of-context
12:33:02 <raphael> The wiki section is badly phrased, should be rephrased
12:33:14 <Yves> the difference between a fragment and a complete resource (which can be a part of something bigger), depends mostly on the way we identify the fragment
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12:34:32 <Zakim> + +030210772aacc
12:34:43 <raphael> zakim, aacc is Vassilis
12:34:43 <Zakim> +Vassilis; got it
12:35:10 <mhausenblas> Erik: Representation and Implementation Issues
12:35:22 <mhausenblas> Erik: URI Fragment / URI Query
12:36:23 <raphael> thanks Silvia, most appreaciated you took this action
12:37:24 <Yves> I would note that ';' is another separator that ca be useful here
12:38:09 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Silvia to flesh out how far can we go with a hash URI regarding the interaction between the UA and the server
12:38:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-4 - Flesh out how far can we go with a hash URI regarding the interaction between the UA and the server [on Silvia Pfeiffer - due 2008-10-15].
12:39:12 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
12:39:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-minutes.html mhausenblas
12:40:21 <mhausenblas> Erik: Fragment Name and Description
12:40:43 <mhausenblas> Raphael and Silvia agree on non-semantics of the labels
12:41:10 <mhausenblas> Erik: Status of a Media Fragment
12:42:52 <raphael> Problem with ? is that the query is a new resource, or at least no formal connexion between the fragment and the parent resource
12:42:59 <raphael> q+
12:44:21 <raphael> Yves, can you put on IRC the link of the draft you're talking about?
12:44:26 <raphael> zakim, ack raphael
12:44:26 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
12:44:47 <Yves> http://www.mnot.net/drafts/draft-nottingham-http-link-header-01.txt
12:45:02 <nessy> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3986.txt
12:45:22 <raphael> Yves, would you like to take an action for checking the status of ';' in a URI?
12:45:53 <Yves> sure
12:46:59 <raphael> Silvia: ByteRanges has advantages (cachable, proxies, etc.) and I'm all for the '#' but 8 years ago, I found the limit of the hash URI
12:47:40 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Yves to check the status of ';' in a URI
12:47:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-5 - Check the status of ';' in a URI [on Yves Lafon - due 2008-10-15].
12:47:42 <raphael> q?
12:49:15 <mhausenblas> Erik: Protocols
12:49:22 <raphael> Yves notes that defining a range unit as as easy as defining a new header
12:49:49 <raphael> +1 for learning how RTSP fragments work
12:50:16 <mhausenblas> Sivia: my in-line action here is well covered
12:50:27 <mhausenblas> Erik: Server, Caches and Proxies
12:51:25 <mhausenblas> Silvia: would be nice to find a generic way
12:51:34 <mhausenblas> ... however, seems not too realistic
12:52:14 <raphael> Silvia: would propose to cover HTTP (+ HTTPs, FTP)
12:52:37 <mhausenblas> Topic: 3. USE CASES
12:52:44 <raphael> q+
12:53:03 <raphael> zakim, ack me
12:53:03 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
12:53:22 <mhausenblas> Erik: going through UCs
12:53:36 <mhausenblas> Zakim, unmute me
12:53:36 <Zakim> sorry, mhausenblas, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
12:53:43 <mhausenblas> Zakim, unmute Michael_Hausenblas
12:53:43 <Zakim> Michael_Hausenblas should no longer be muted
12:54:53 <mhausenblas> Raphael: working on the Map and Multi Resolution UC
12:55:11 <mhausenblas> ... zoomify providing input
12:55:55 <mhausenblas> Topic: 4. STATE OF THE ART
12:56:20 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/State_of_the_Art
12:56:47 <mhausenblas> Topic: 5. AOB
12:57:07 <mhausenblas> Erik: put logistics and agenda for second F2F in Gent are online
12:57:12 <raphael> Logisitics page: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/GhentLogistic
12:57:56 <raphael> IMPORTANT: book your hotel before Nov 8th for getting the discount !!!
12:57:57 <nessy> +q
12:58:06 <mhausenblas> ack nessy
12:58:22 <mhausenblas> Silvia: file upload enabled?
12:58:58 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
12:58:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-minutes.html mhausenblas
12:59:09 <mhausenblas> Erik: Thanks to all - see you next week
12:59:14 <Zakim> -Vassilis
12:59:15 <Zakim> -Michael_Hausenblas
12:59:17 <Zakim> -raphael
12:59:17 <Zakim> -Yves
12:59:19 <Zakim> -nessy
12:59:20 <Zakim> -Erik
12:59:22 <mhausenblas> [adjourned]
12:59:28 <mhausenblas> Zakim, list attendees
12:59:28 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +0329331aaaa, Erik, raphael, Yves, Thierry, Michael_Hausenblas, +61.2.801.2.aabb, nessy, +030210772aacc, Vassilis
12:59:38 <mhausenblas> Zakim, bye
12:59:38 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were +0329331aaaa, Erik, raphael, Yves, Thierry, Michael_Hausenblas, +61.2.801.2.aabb, nessy, +030210772aacc, Vassilis
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12:59:44 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, bye
12:59:44 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-actions.rdf :
12:59:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Raphael to look into image maps spec re spatial fragment shape [1]
12:59:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-irc#T12-23-44
12:59:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Davy and Erik to document container formats [2]
12:59:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-irc#T12-30-29
12:59:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Silvia to flesh out how far can we go with a hash URI regarding the interaction between the UA and the server [3]
12:59:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-irc#T12-38-09
12:59:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to check the status of ';' in a URI [4]
12:59:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-irc#T12-47-40