IRC log of mediafrag on 2008-10-08

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Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG

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ok, trackbot; I see IA_MFWG()8:00AM scheduled to start in 27 minutes

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Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 08 October 2008

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IA_MFWG()8:00AM has now started

11:59:22 [raphael]

zakim, which telecon?

11:59:22 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, raphael.

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+ +0329331aaaa

11:59:45 [davy]

zakim, aaaa is Erik

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+Erik; got it

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+??P2

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-Erik

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+Erik

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+Yves

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+Thierry

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trackbot, start telecon

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Sorry, raphael, I don't understand 'trackbot, start telecon'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help

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trackbot, start telcon

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG

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ok, trackbot, I see IA_MFWG()8:00AM already started

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Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 08 October 2008

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2008Oct/0040.html

12:03:32 [raphael]

zakim, who is making noise?

12:03:38 [thierry]

zakim, mute me

12:03:38 [Zakim]

Thierry should now be muted

12:03:45 [Zakim]

raphael, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Erik (5%), raphael (4%), Thierry (37%)

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Chair: Erik

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+Michael_Hausenblas

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Present: Erik, Raphael, Yves, Thierry, Davy, Silvia, Michael

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Regrets: Jack

12:05:27 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Michael_Hausenblas

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Scribe: Michael

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scribenick: mhausenblas

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Topic: 1. ADMIN

12:07:01 [mhausenblas]

Eric: Accept minutes?

12:07:04 [raphael]

+1 for accepting the minutes

12:07:31 [mhausenblas]

s/Eric/Erik

12:08:07 [mhausenblas]

Yves will take care of the Wiki issue right after call

12:08:17 [raphael]

RESOLVED: minutes from 2008/10/01 telecon accepted

12:08:19 [mhausenblas]

Zakim, mute me

12:08:19 [Zakim]

sorry, mhausenblas, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

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Topic: Issues

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s/Issues/2. ISSUES

12:09:07 [mhausenblas]

-> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Issues Issues

12:09:42 [mhausenblas]

Raphael: I've structured the issue on the Wiki, most seem to concern all UC

12:10:07 [thierry]

zakim, unmute me

12:10:07 [Zakim]

Thierry should no longer be muted

12:11:43 [mhausenblas]

... temporal seem ok spatial is still open

12:12:33 [mhausenblas]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-minutes.html mhausenblas

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+ +61.2.801.2.aabb

12:12:52 [mhausenblas]

Zakim, aabb is nessy

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+nessy; got it

12:13:02 [mhausenblas]

RRSAgent, make logs public

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Silvia: temporally connected fragments?

12:14:23 [mhausenblas]

Raphael: Video UC

12:15:58 [mhausenblas]

Silvia: multiple URIs is hard to deal with, though I see it is needed

12:16:25 [mhausenblas]

Raphael: Thinking back of the interview, edited in two parts

12:16:25 [raphael]

Silvia points out the complexity of multi-fragment URIs

12:18:54 [raphael]

Given what Silvia suggests, I think this issue is related to the playlist UC

12:19:32 [nessy]

xspf = playlist format

12:20:08 [raphael]

The question boils to: can a multi-fragment URI be implemented as a playlist? is it the same thing?

12:21:10 [mhausenblas]

Silvia: follow up on F2F

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Erik: spatial fragment shape?

12:22:29 [mhausenblas]

Raphael: Might be a matter of complexity, maybe in the second phase of the WG?

12:23:07 [raphael]

Silvia suggests to look at the image maps specification

12:23:20 [mhausenblas]

Raphael: will look into it

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ACTION: Raphael to look into image maps spec re spatial fragment shape

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Sorry, couldn't find user - Raphael

12:24:10 [mhausenblas]

Erik: containers and substreams

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Silvia: From HTTP POV we're looking at resources

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... in the media POV a container

12:25:31 [raphael]

q+

12:25:36 [mhausenblas]

... however re RTSP the format the container

12:26:01 [mhausenblas]

... should focus on HTTP

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ack raphael

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Raphael: Wouldn't is make sense to list all container formats we want to deal with?

12:27:34 [mhausenblas]

Davy: ack to support container formats

12:27:42 [raphael]

Is the Matroska (mkv) format relevant for example?

12:28:21 [Yves]

documenting what we investigated is good for other people to find out where we are coming from once we have a solution

12:28:31 [raphael]

+1 for documentation

12:28:34 [mhausenblas]

+1

12:28:43 [raphael]

q+

12:29:01 [mhausenblas]

ack raphael

12:29:10 [mhausenblas]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-minutes.html mhausenblas

12:30:02 [mhausenblas]

sorry, for whom?

12:30:29 [mhausenblas]

ACTION: Davy and Erik to document container formats

12:30:29 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-3 - And Erik to document container formats [on Davy Van Deursen - due 2008-10-15].

12:30:59 [mhausenblas]

Erik: In-context / Out-of-context

12:33:02 [raphael]

The wiki section is badly phrased, should be rephrased

12:33:14 [Yves]

the difference between a fragment and a complete resource (which can be a part of something bigger), depends mostly on the way we identify the fragment

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+ +030210772aacc

12:34:43 [raphael]

zakim, aacc is Vassilis

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+Vassilis; got it

12:35:10 [mhausenblas]

Erik: Representation and Implementation Issues

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Erik: URI Fragment / URI Query

12:36:23 [raphael]

thanks Silvia, most appreaciated you took this action

12:37:24 [Yves]

I would note that ';' is another separator that ca be useful here

12:38:09 [mhausenblas]

ACTION: Silvia to flesh out how far can we go with a hash URI regarding the interaction between the UA and the server

12:38:10 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-4 - Flesh out how far can we go with a hash URI regarding the interaction between the UA and the server [on Silvia Pfeiffer - due 2008-10-15].

12:39:12 [mhausenblas]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-minutes.html mhausenblas

12:40:21 [mhausenblas]

Erik: Fragment Name and Description

12:40:43 [mhausenblas]

Raphael and Silvia agree on non-semantics of the labels

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Erik: Status of a Media Fragment

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Problem with ? is that the query is a new resource, or at least no formal connexion between the fragment and the parent resource

12:42:59 [raphael]

q+

12:44:21 [raphael]

Yves, can you put on IRC the link of the draft you're talking about?

12:44:26 [raphael]

zakim, ack raphael

12:44:26 [Zakim]

I see no one on the speaker queue

12:44:47 [Yves]

http://www.mnot.net/drafts/draft-nottingham-http-link-header-01.txt

12:45:02 [nessy]

http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3986.txt

12:45:22 [raphael]

Yves, would you like to take an action for checking the status of ';' in a URI?

12:45:53 [Yves]

sure

12:46:59 [raphael]

Silvia: ByteRanges has advantages (cachable, proxies, etc.) and I'm all for the '#' but 8 years ago, I found the limit of the hash URI

12:47:40 [mhausenblas]

ACTION: Yves to check the status of ';' in a URI

12:47:40 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-5 - Check the status of ';' in a URI [on Yves Lafon - due 2008-10-15].

12:47:42 [raphael]

q?

12:49:15 [mhausenblas]

Erik: Protocols

12:49:22 [raphael]

Yves notes that defining a range unit as as easy as defining a new header

12:49:49 [raphael]

+1 for learning how RTSP fragments work

12:50:16 [mhausenblas]

Sivia: my in-line action here is well covered

12:50:27 [mhausenblas]

Erik: Server, Caches and Proxies

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Silvia: would be nice to find a generic way

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... however, seems not too realistic

12:52:14 [raphael]

Silvia: would propose to cover HTTP (+ HTTPs, FTP)

12:52:37 [mhausenblas]

Topic: 3. USE CASES

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q+

12:53:03 [raphael]

zakim, ack me

12:53:03 [Zakim]

I see no one on the speaker queue

12:53:22 [mhausenblas]

Erik: going through UCs

12:53:36 [mhausenblas]

Zakim, unmute me

12:53:36 [Zakim]

sorry, mhausenblas, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

12:53:43 [mhausenblas]

Zakim, unmute Michael_Hausenblas

12:53:43 [Zakim]

Michael_Hausenblas should no longer be muted

12:54:53 [mhausenblas]

Raphael: working on the Map and Multi Resolution UC

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... zoomify providing input

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Topic: 4. STATE OF THE ART

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-> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/State_of_the_Art

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Topic: 5. AOB

12:57:07 [mhausenblas]

Erik: put logistics and agenda for second F2F in Gent are online

12:57:12 [raphael]

Logisitics page: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/GhentLogistic

12:57:56 [raphael]

IMPORTANT: book your hotel before Nov 8th for getting the discount !!!

12:57:57 [nessy]

+q

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ack nessy

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Silvia: file upload enabled?

12:58:58 [mhausenblas]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-minutes.html mhausenblas

12:59:09 [mhausenblas]

Erik: Thanks to all - see you next week

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-Vassilis

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-Michael_Hausenblas

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-raphael

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-Yves

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-nessy

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-Erik

12:59:22 [mhausenblas]

[adjourned]

12:59:28 [mhausenblas]

Zakim, list attendees

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As of this point the attendees have been +0329331aaaa, Erik, raphael, Yves, Thierry, Michael_Hausenblas, +61.2.801.2.aabb, nessy, +030210772aacc, Vassilis

12:59:38 [mhausenblas]

Zakim, bye

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leaving. As of this point the attendees were +0329331aaaa, Erik, raphael, Yves, Thierry, Michael_Hausenblas, +61.2.801.2.aabb, nessy, +030210772aacc, Vassilis

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Raphael to look into image maps spec re spatial fragment shape [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-irc#T12-23-44

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ACTION: Davy and Erik to document container formats [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-irc#T12-30-29

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ACTION: Silvia to flesh out how far can we go with a hash URI regarding the interaction between the UA and the server [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-irc#T12-38-09

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ACTION: Yves to check the status of ';' in a URI [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-mediafrag-irc#T12-47-40