IRC log of egov on 2008-10-08

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Zakim, this will be EGOV
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Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
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Date: 08 October 2008
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chair: john, kevin
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scribe: josema
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zakim, who's here?
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sorry, josema, I don't know what conference this is
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot
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zakim, this is egov
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ok, josema; that matches T&S_EGOV()11:00AM
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zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see +0203334aaaa
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zakim, call josema-office
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot
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ok, josema; the call is being made
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+Josema
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zakim, aaaa is john
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zakim, who's here?
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+john; got it
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On the phone I see john, Josema
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot
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q?
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+ +1.202.626.aabb
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zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see john, Josema, +1.202.626.aabb
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot
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zakim, aabb is kevin
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+kevin; got it
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zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see john, Josema, kevin
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot
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q?
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[some talk about previous Group call and some frustration]
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john: I believe we need to define very clearly a number of small tasks
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... in advance of the F2F
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... and build something from the week before until the week after
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kevin: tried this with the use cases back around July
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... didn't seem to work despite a couple were uploaded
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... then some discussion about micromanaging people or not
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... some seem to prefer, some not
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john: we might want to be a bit more prescriptive at least
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... for the days around the F2F
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kevin: sometimes is difficult to do that on the phone
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... let's take advantage of the F2F
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john: in any case, next Group call we should review the use cases
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... we have and let people refine them or add before F2F for one week
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... then discuss at the F2F, building it around the use cases
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... shaping them and come up with the real set we want to solve
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... see a week after if we are missing any important
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kevin: if we could do that, I'd be satisfied
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john: we could say that if you don't have a case you need to produce one
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[use cases so far: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Use_Cases]
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jose: we tried use cases before, did not work
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... if we do it this time, should be much more specific tasks
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... agree with John's view here
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john: it does not have very deep, but individuals should leave
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... with a clear idea on what to work
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[http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Inventory]
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jose: how to start the list?
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kevin: let's do it by email
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+ +34.98.439.aacc
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zakim, aacc is oscar
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+oscar; got it
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jose: what about reviewing WebArch?
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[http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/]
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... eg. persistence of URIs
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zakim oscar is OCR
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zakim, oscar is OCR
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+OCR; got it
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s/zakim oscar is OCR//
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john: also a problem of accountability in several cases
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... besides the WebArch
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... I could write that one
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jose: please, do
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.. .talk about agenda for next Group call and F2F?
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john: yes, next call let's focus on get specific tasks
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... list of areas for use cases by email
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... we should have it by Monday
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kevin: it's likely I could not make it to the F2F
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... prefer to defer to you how to build the structure
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john: would like to have two rounds at the F2F
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.. first day list and review cases
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... second: go through them again
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s/../...
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... taking what we have learned on day 1 and take it to the next phase
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... around themes
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oscar: we might need to outline the document during the F2F
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jose: editing at W3C is a science on its own ;)
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john: if we can setup the main themes by the next call
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... that should give us the basic outline of the document
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... also structure of our F2F two days
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... we should not underestimate the amount of work to coordinate
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... the various contributions
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... but key is structure
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jose: SEMIC.EU is sending a rep, discussed about presentation
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john: could be interested, could bring a theme to our discussion
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... and maybe some use cases
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... if he wants to speak is fine
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... also IDABC summary
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jose: I could do 5 minutes on that
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http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/TPAC2008
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-> http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/AC-Agenda AC Agenda
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ACTION kevin to discuss themes by email by Monday
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Created ACTION-10 - Discuss themes by email by Monday [on Kevin Novak - due 2008-10-15].
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ACTION john to discuss themes by email by Monday
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Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - john
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Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jwonderl, jsherida)
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ACTION jsherida to discuss themes by email by Monday
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Created ACTION-11 - Discuss themes by email by Monday [on John Sheridan - due 2008-10-15].
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-kevin
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-Josema
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-OCR
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T&S_EGOV()11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were +0203334aaaa, Josema, john, +1.202.626.aabb, kevin, +34.98.439.aacc, OCR
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[John to start discussion]
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[ADJOURNED]
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zakim, who's here?
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apparently T&S_EGOV()11:00AM has ended, josema
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On IRC I see OCR, Zakim, RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot
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zakim, who was here?
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I don't understand your question, josema.
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-egov-minutes.html josema
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RRSAgent, make minutes public
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', josema. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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RRSAgent, stop logging
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'stop logging', josema. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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RRSAgent, stop