IRC log of egov on 2008-10-08
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- Zakim, this will be EGOV
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- Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
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- Date: 08 October 2008
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- chair: john, kevin
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- scribe: josema
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- zakim, who's here?
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- sorry, josema, I don't know what conference this is
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot
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- zakim, this is egov
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- ok, josema; that matches T&S_EGOV()11:00AM
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- zakim, who's here?
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- On the phone I see +0203334aaaa
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- zakim, call josema-office
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot
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- ok, josema; the call is being made
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- +Josema
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- zakim, aaaa is john
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- zakim, who's here?
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- +john; got it
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- On the phone I see john, Josema
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot
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- q?
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- + +1.202.626.aabb
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- zakim, who's here?
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- On the phone I see john, Josema, +1.202.626.aabb
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot
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- zakim, aabb is kevin
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- +kevin; got it
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- zakim, who's here?
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- On the phone I see john, Josema, kevin
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot
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- q?
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- [some talk about previous Group call and some frustration]
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- john: I believe we need to define very clearly a number of small tasks
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- ... in advance of the F2F
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- ... and build something from the week before until the week after
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- kevin: tried this with the use cases back around July
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- ... didn't seem to work despite a couple were uploaded
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- ... then some discussion about micromanaging people or not
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- ... some seem to prefer, some not
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- john: we might want to be a bit more prescriptive at least
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- ... for the days around the F2F
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- kevin: sometimes is difficult to do that on the phone
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- ... let's take advantage of the F2F
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- john: in any case, next Group call we should review the use cases
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- ... we have and let people refine them or add before F2F for one week
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- ... then discuss at the F2F, building it around the use cases
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- ... shaping them and come up with the real set we want to solve
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- ... see a week after if we are missing any important
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- kevin: if we could do that, I'd be satisfied
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- john: we could say that if you don't have a case you need to produce one
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- [use cases so far: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Use_Cases]
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- jose: we tried use cases before, did not work
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- ... if we do it this time, should be much more specific tasks
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- ... agree with John's view here
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- john: it does not have very deep, but individuals should leave
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- ... with a clear idea on what to work
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- [http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Inventory]
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- jose: how to start the list?
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- kevin: let's do it by email
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- + +34.98.439.aacc
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- zakim, aacc is oscar
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- +oscar; got it
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- jose: what about reviewing WebArch?
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- [http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/]
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- ... eg. persistence of URIs
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- zakim oscar is OCR
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- zakim, oscar is OCR
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- +OCR; got it
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- s/zakim oscar is OCR//
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- john: also a problem of accountability in several cases
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- ... besides the WebArch
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- ... I could write that one
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- jose: please, do
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- .. .talk about agenda for next Group call and F2F?
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- john: yes, next call let's focus on get specific tasks
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- ... list of areas for use cases by email
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- ... we should have it by Monday
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- kevin: it's likely I could not make it to the F2F
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- ... prefer to defer to you how to build the structure
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- john: would like to have two rounds at the F2F
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- .. first day list and review cases
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- ... second: go through them again
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- s/../...
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- ... taking what we have learned on day 1 and take it to the next phase
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- ... around themes
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- oscar: we might need to outline the document during the F2F
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- jose: editing at W3C is a science on its own ;)
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- john: if we can setup the main themes by the next call
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- ... that should give us the basic outline of the document
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- ... also structure of our F2F two days
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- ... we should not underestimate the amount of work to coordinate
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- ... the various contributions
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- ... but key is structure
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- jose: SEMIC.EU is sending a rep, discussed about presentation
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- john: could be interested, could bring a theme to our discussion
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- ... and maybe some use cases
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- ... if he wants to speak is fine
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- ... also IDABC summary
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- jose: I could do 5 minutes on that
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- http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/TPAC2008
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- -> http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/AC-Agenda AC Agenda
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- ACTION kevin to discuss themes by email by Monday
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- Created ACTION-10 - Discuss themes by email by Monday [on Kevin Novak - due 2008-10-15].
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- ACTION john to discuss themes by email by Monday
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- Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - john
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- Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jwonderl, jsherida)
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- ACTION jsherida to discuss themes by email by Monday
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- Created ACTION-11 - Discuss themes by email by Monday [on John Sheridan - due 2008-10-15].
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- -kevin
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- -Josema
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- -OCR
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- T&S_EGOV()11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were +0203334aaaa, Josema, john, +1.202.626.aabb, kevin, +34.98.439.aacc, OCR
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- [John to start discussion]
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- [ADJOURNED]
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- zakim, who's here?
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- apparently T&S_EGOV()11:00AM has ended, josema
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- On IRC I see OCR, Zakim, RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot
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- zakim, who was here?
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- I don't understand your question, josema.
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-egov-minutes.html josema
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