IRC log of mediaann on 2008-10-07
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-mediaann-irc
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- Scribe: wbailer
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- Meeting: Media Annotations WG
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- Zakim, this will be IA_MAWG
- 12:50:32 [Zakim]
- ok, wbailer; I see IA_MAWG()9:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
- 12:50:56 [spark3]
- Hi Werner, thanks to take a minutes today
- 12:51:21 [fsasaki]
- chair: Daniel
- 12:51:22 [wbailer]
- hi all
- 12:51:23 [spark3]
- Hi Felix,
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- scribe: Werner
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- scribeNick: wbailer
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Oct/0017.html
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- \me thanks!
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- Regrets: Tobias, Erik
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- 12:57:22 [spark3]
- hi
- 12:57:40 [Zakim]
- IA_MAWG()9:00AM has now started
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- + +43.316.876.aaaa
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- + +329331aabb
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- - +43.316.876.aaaa
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- + +43.316.876.aaaa
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- +Felix
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- +[VrijeUni]
- 12:59:05 [wbailer]
- Zakim, aaaa is wbailer
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- sorry, wbailer, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
- 12:59:46 [VeroniqueM]
- Zakim, [VrijeUni] is me
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- sorry, VeroniqueM, I do not recognize a party named '[VrijeUni]'
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- +??P6
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- +??P5
- 13:01:19 [raphael]
- zakim, ??P5 is me
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- +raphael; got it
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- +??P7
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- +Thierry
- 13:02:40 [thierry]
- I know my phone is noisy
- 13:02:43 [spark3]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-mediaann-minutes.html
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- Topic: approval of previous minutes
- 13:03:09 [raphael]
- +1 for accepting the minutes
- 13:04:04 [wbailer]
- Thierry: self introduction
- 13:04:28 [wbailer]
- Thierry will be alternate staff contact
- 13:04:56 [raphael]
- Thierry is alternate team contact for the Media Frag WG too
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- topic: next scribe
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- +[IVML]
- 13:06:01 [vassilis]
- I am connecting now
- 13:06:39 [wbailer]
- topic: future telecon / f2f
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- f2f at tpac: 23-24 Oct
- 13:07:30 [raphael]
- it is a wrong copy paste from the Media Frag WG :-)
- 13:07:46 [raphael]
- correct dates for this WG is indeed: 23-24/10
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- 2nd f2f 9-10 dec
- 13:08:09 [fsasaki]
- I take responsibility for this ;)
- 13:08:41 [wbailer]
- next telecon: 14. October, 21:00 UTC
- 13:09:33 [wbailer]
- felix and daniel will make draft of agenda for f2f available until next week
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- daniel: joint meeting with media fragments?
- 13:10:28 [raphael]
- Q+
- 13:10:33 [raphael]
- zakim, unmute me
- 13:10:33 [Zakim]
- raphael should no longer be muted
- 13:10:34 [wbailer]
- topic: action items
- 13:11:20 [wbailer]
- raphael: possible to attend both WGs f2f meetings at tpac
- 13:11:29 [Zakim]
- -Veronique
- 13:11:31 [raphael]
- zakim, unmute me
- 13:11:31 [Zakim]
- raphael was not muted, raphael
- 13:11:39 [fsasaki]
- +1 to raphael
- 13:12:18 [wbailer]
- ACTION: Check WG participant mailing list subscription mechanism to make sure that new participants are subscribed automatically
- 13:12:18 [trackbot]
- Sorry, couldn't find user - Check
- 13:12:40 [wbailer]
- action-6 continues
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- ACTION-7 done
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- ACTION-9 done
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- ACTION-10 closed
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- ACTION-10 Will work on 6084 and 6086 closed
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- ACTION-11 closed
- 13:14:05 [fsasaki]
- close ACTION-7
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- ACTION-11 Create information in wiki about 6067 closed
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- ACTION-7 Describe mobile aspects to use cases closed
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- close ACTION-8
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- ACTION-8 Put XG use cases into wiki closed
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- ACTION-12 closed
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- ACTION-12 (placeholder for dave) to elaborate 6066 closed
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- ACTION-13 closed
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- ACTION-13 (placeholder for dave) to work on 6113 closed
- 13:15:06 [wbailer]
- topic: editing
- 13:16:08 [wbailer]
- daniel: still looking for volunteers
- 13:16:47 [thierry]
- Do we plan to have miulti editors, for multi chapters in the spec ?
- 13:17:08 [frank]
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- Or just one document with one or multi editors
- 13:17:21 [wbailer]
- daniel: editing team for all wg deliverables
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- + +31.20.525.aacc
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- +??P10
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- topic: open issues
- 13:20:36 [fsasaki]
- present: Davy, Werner, Felix, Daniel, raphael, ??P7, Thierry, Vassilis, Frank, Hui
- 13:21:35 [fsasaki]
- see http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42786/formats/results for results of 6054
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- daniel: going through status of open issues
- 13:22:17 [tobiasb]
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- 13:22:27 [spark3]
- open issue 6065 ?
- 13:22:37 [fsasaki]
- 6065 looks like fitting to Use case "Services by using an unified media annotation"
- 13:22:41 [spark3]
- is it a use case as it is ?
- 13:23:44 [wbailer]
- joakim: wrote about video case, could be merged into services uc
- 13:23:50 [fsasaki]
- +1 to Joakim
- 13:24:12 [wbailer]
- joakim: not sure to merge iptv with video case
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- s/case/use case/
- 13:24:47 [frank]
- +1 join with video
- 13:25:54 [vassilis]
- +1 join with video
- 13:26:05 [wbailer]
- agreed on merge iptv with services use case
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- issue 6083: mm search?
- 13:27:26 [spark3]
- use case 6083 multimedia search ?
- 13:27:31 [wbailer]
- it's partly covered by 6067
- 13:28:26 [fsasaki]
- 6083 was proposed from erik http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Sep/0025.html
- 13:28:28 [frank]
- it seems to me that 6083 is one of the basic actions - like adaptation and presentation, that will show up in a few use cases
- 13:28:36 [spark3]
- we should drop use case 6083 ?
- 13:29:06 [frank]
- Would we need to blacks => basic and applied
- 13:29:06 [wbailer]
- felix: keep general use cases that overlap with more specific ones
- 13:29:25 [frank]
- I agree on that
- 13:29:30 [davy]
- +1
- 13:29:44 [frank]
- but perhaps grouping them
- 13:30:00 [wbailer]
- vassilis: important and general, vague, agree to keep it
- 13:30:25 [raphael]
- +1 for felix: these are dimensions through you can see the use cases; one dimension is the media (image, video, audio), another dimension is the use of the annotation (presentation, adaptation, search)
- 13:31:05 [wbailer]
- 6083 will be kept
- 13:31:15 [fsasaki]
- I agree with vassilis and raphael
- 13:31:29 [wbailer]
- 6085: keep mm sharing use case?
- 13:31:33 [spark3]
- 6085 keep or drop ?
- 13:31:50 [frank]
- same a s search, I think, so keep it for the tie being
- 13:32:00 [wbailer]
- felix: same as search, keep it
- 13:33:06 [spark3]
- 6112 is done
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- 6112: done
- 13:34:04 [fsasaki]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Sep/0053.html
- 13:34:05 [wbailer]
- 6112: template + call for contributions from outside wg
- 13:34:17 [raphael]
- +1
- 13:34:27 [frank]
- +1
- 13:35:05 [spark3]
- 6126 Machine readable license data (no text)
- 13:35:16 [spark3]
- use case or drop it ?
- 13:35:32 [fsasaki]
- Felix: we can prepare the template later, e.g. after the first WD
- 13:35:38 [raphael]
- I did mention the template from the SWD WG: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/UCFormat
- 13:36:29 [wbailer]
- felix: (6112) prepare template for UCs/requirements now?
- 13:36:36 [wbailer]
- daniel: prepare latr
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- s/latr/later/
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- issue 6126, keep or drop?
- 13:38:12 [wbailer]
- felix: detailed definition of license data beyond scope, just slots for plugging in license information
- 13:38:37 [spark3]
- keep use case 6126. any opinion ?
- 13:38:39 [frank]
- If we decide for a slot then we can drop it
- 13:38:54 [raphael]
- +1 for dropping and agreeing to put a placeholder
- 13:39:17 [fsasaki]
- +1 to rapahel
- 13:39:25 [vassilis]
- +1
- 13:39:32 [davy]
- +1
- 13:39:33 [hmiao]
- +1 to rapahel
- 13:39:33 [cgi-irc]
- +1
- 13:39:46 [wbailer]
- issue 6126 will be dropped
- 13:40:11 [fsasaki]
- s/will be dropped/will be dropped and we will have just a placeholder for machine readable license data/
- 13:42:02 [wbailer]
- daniel: feel free to contribute to wiki
- 13:42:08 [spark3]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Main_Page#Use_Cases__and_Requirements
- 13:43:10 [fsasaki]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Use_Cases_&_Requirements
- 13:43:17 [wbailer]
- felix: updated main page, use cases on separate page
- 13:44:02 [wbailer]
- topic: Use cases to be derived from the thread "Elaborating on the Video use case"
- 13:44:50 [VeroniqueM]
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- joakim: included in services uc or not?
- 13:46:32 [wbailer]
- felix: looked at Microsoft Interactive Media Manager documents, did not find link to ontology
- 13:46:59 [wbailer]
- joakim: has some info locally, will post to list
- 13:47:03 [raphael]
- Joakim, can you post the ontology to the list? is it publicly available ?
- 13:47:30 [spark3]
- new use case "Video"
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- new use case "Video" ? any opinion ?
- 13:49:34 [frank]
- +1
- 13:50:02 [raphael]
- Like Felix said, I made a case for having structured annotations
- 13:50:40 [raphael]
- The WG will design an abstract model, but at some point, needs to vote for a format for representing this model
- 13:50:44 [raphael]
- I would favor RDF
- 13:50:53 [fsasaki]
- +1 to RDF
- 13:51:11 [wbailer]
- daniel: create new use case "video"
- 13:51:32 [wbailer]
- ACTION: joakim to add text on video uc
- 13:51:33 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-14 - Add text on video uc [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2008-10-14].
- 13:51:45 [raphael]
- q+
- 13:52:00 [raphael]
- zakim, ack me
- 13:52:00 [Zakim]
- unmuting raphael
- 13:52:02 [Zakim]
- I see no one on the speaker queue
- 13:52:22 [raphael]
- http://www.youtube.com/t/annotations_about
- 13:52:41 [wbailer]
- raphael: announcement from youtube for annotation support
- 13:53:26 [raphael]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:53:26 [Zakim]
- raphael should now be muted
- 13:53:53 [wbailer]
- daniel: also create uc from mobile?
- 13:54:21 [wbailer]
- ACTION: joakim to elaborate on mobile uc
- 13:54:21 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-15 - Elaborate on mobile uc [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2008-10-14].
- 13:56:18 [wbailer]
- topic: use cases from issues list
- 13:58:09 [wbailer]
- ??: service use case - generalise?
- 13:59:21 [wbailer]
- felix: does a specific uc have effect on ontology or api?
- 13:59:38 [VeroniqueM]
- would it be relevant to separate a list of tasks, that need models, and use cases that group different tasks?
- 13:59:59 [fsasaki]
- felix: maybe keep in mind when you produce a use case / requirement if it has an effect on the ontology or the API
- 14:00:28 [wbailer]
- daniel: ALL: add to requirements list
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- -Felix
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- -??P7
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- -Werner
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- -Daniel
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- -Thierry
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- -Hui
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- -raphael
- 14:01:48 [spark3]
- thanks all and bye - Daniel
- 14:01:54 [fsasaki]
- thanks werner for scribing
- 14:02:00 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
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- -Frank
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- -Davy
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- -Vassilis
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- IA_MAWG()9:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were +43.316.876.aaaa, +329331aabb, Felix, Davy, Werner, [VrijeUni], Veronique, Daniel, raphael, Thierry, Vassilis, +31.20.525.aacc, Frank, Hui
- 14:09:31 [fsasaki]
- close ACTION-12
- 14:09:31 [trackbot]
- ACTION-12 (placeholder for dave) to elaborate 6066 closed
- 14:09:32 [fsasaki]
- close ACTION-13
- 14:09:32 [trackbot]
- ACTION-13 (placeholder for dave) to work on 6113 closed
- 14:12:42 [fsasaki]
- rrsagent, bye
- 14:12:42 [RRSAgent]
- I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-mediaann-actions.rdf :
- 14:12:42 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: joakim to add text on video uc [2]
- 14:12:42 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-mediaann-irc#T13-51-32
- 14:12:42 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: joakim to elaborate on mobile uc [3]
- 14:12:42 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-mediaann-irc#T13-54-21
- 14:12:45 [fsasaki]
- zakim, bye
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