12:47:58 RRSAgent has joined #mediaann 12:47:58 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-mediaann-irc 12:48:09 Zakim has joined #mediaann 12:48:55 wbailer has joined #mediaann 12:49:47 Scribe: wbailer 12:50:05 fsasaki has joined #mediaann 12:50:08 Meeting: Media Annotations WG 12:50:32 Zakim, this will be IA_MAWG 12:50:32 ok, wbailer; I see IA_MAWG()9:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes 12:50:56 Hi Werner, thanks to take a minutes today 12:51:21 chair: Daniel 12:51:22 hi all 12:51:23 Hi Felix, 12:51:24 scribe: Werner 12:51:28 scribeNick: wbailer 12:51:47 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Oct/0017.html 12:52:03 \me thanks! 12:54:49 Regrets: Tobias, Erik 12:55:22 VeroniqueM has joined #mediaann 12:56:21 davy has joined #mediaann 12:56:57 raphael has joined #mediaann 12:57:22 hi 12:57:40 IA_MAWG()9:00AM has now started 12:57:48 + +43.316.876.aaaa 12:57:53 + +329331aabb 12:57:56 - +43.316.876.aaaa 12:57:56 + +43.316.876.aaaa 12:57:56 +Felix 12:58:48 +[VrijeUni] 12:59:05 Zakim, aaaa is wbailer 12:59:05 sorry, wbailer, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa' 12:59:46 Zakim, [VrijeUni] is me 12:59:46 sorry, VeroniqueM, I do not recognize a party named '[VrijeUni]' 13:00:56 +??P6 13:01:05 thierry has joined #mediaann 13:01:10 +??P5 13:01:19 zakim, ??P5 is me 13:01:19 +raphael; got it 13:01:53 +??P7 13:02:00 +Thierry 13:02:40 I know my phone is noisy 13:02:43 http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-mediaann-minutes.html 13:02:49 Topic: approval of previous minutes 13:03:09 +1 for accepting the minutes 13:04:04 Thierry: self introduction 13:04:28 Thierry will be alternate staff contact 13:04:56 Thierry is alternate team contact for the Media Frag WG too 13:05:12 topic: next scribe 13:05:20 vassilis has joined #mediaann 13:05:55 +[IVML] 13:06:01 I am connecting now 13:06:39 topic: future telecon / f2f 13:07:29 f2f at tpac: 23-24 Oct 13:07:30 it is a wrong copy paste from the Media Frag WG :-) 13:07:46 correct dates for this WG is indeed: 23-24/10 13:07:53 cgi-irc has joined #mediaann 13:07:57 2nd f2f 9-10 dec 13:08:09 I take responsibility for this ;) 13:08:41 next telecon: 14. October, 21:00 UTC 13:09:33 felix and daniel will make draft of agenda for f2f available until next week 13:10:15 daniel: joint meeting with media fragments? 13:10:28 Q+ 13:10:33 zakim, unmute me 13:10:33 raphael should no longer be muted 13:10:34 topic: action items 13:11:20 raphael: possible to attend both WGs f2f meetings at tpac 13:11:29 -Veronique 13:11:31 zakim, unmute me 13:11:31 raphael was not muted, raphael 13:11:39 +1 to raphael 13:12:18 ACTION: Check WG participant mailing list subscription mechanism to make sure that new participants are subscribed automatically 13:12:18 Sorry, couldn't find user - Check 13:12:40 action-6 continues 13:12:54 ACTION-7 done 13:13:21 ACTION-9 done 13:13:45 ACTION-10 closed 13:13:45 ACTION-10 Will work on 6084 and 6086 closed 13:14:05 ACTION-11 closed 13:14:05 close ACTION-7 13:14:05 ACTION-11 Create information in wiki about 6067 closed 13:14:05 ACTION-7 Describe mobile aspects to use cases closed 13:14:14 close ACTION-8 13:14:15 ACTION-8 Put XG use cases into wiki closed 13:14:24 ACTION-12 closed 13:14:24 ACTION-12 (placeholder for dave) to elaborate 6066 closed 13:14:29 ACTION-13 closed 13:14:29 ACTION-13 (placeholder for dave) to work on 6113 closed 13:15:06 topic: editing 13:16:08 daniel: still looking for volunteers 13:16:47 Do we plan to have miulti editors, for multi chapters in the spec ? 13:17:08 frank has joined #mediaann 13:17:15 Or just one document with one or multi editors 13:17:21 daniel: editing team for all wg deliverables 13:18:28 hmiao has joined #mediaann 13:18:28 + +31.20.525.aacc 13:18:44 +??P10 13:19:27 topic: open issues 13:20:36 present: Davy, Werner, Felix, Daniel, raphael, ??P7, Thierry, Vassilis, Frank, Hui 13:21:35 see http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42786/formats/results for results of 6054 13:21:44 daniel: going through status of open issues 13:22:17 tobiasb has joined #mediaann 13:22:27 open issue 6065 ? 13:22:37 6065 looks like fitting to Use case "Services by using an unified media annotation" 13:22:41 is it a use case as it is ? 13:23:44 joakim: wrote about video case, could be merged into services uc 13:23:50 +1 to Joakim 13:24:12 joakim: not sure to merge iptv with video case 13:24:28 s/case/use case/ 13:24:47 +1 join with video 13:25:54 +1 join with video 13:26:05 agreed on merge iptv with services use case 13:27:11 issue 6083: mm search? 13:27:26 use case 6083 multimedia search ? 13:27:31 it's partly covered by 6067 13:28:26 6083 was proposed from erik http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Sep/0025.html 13:28:28 it seems to me that 6083 is one of the basic actions - like adaptation and presentation, that will show up in a few use cases 13:28:36 we should drop use case 6083 ? 13:29:06 Would we need to blacks => basic and applied 13:29:06 felix: keep general use cases that overlap with more specific ones 13:29:25 I agree on that 13:29:30 +1 13:29:44 but perhaps grouping them 13:30:00 vassilis: important and general, vague, agree to keep it 13:30:25 +1 for felix: these are dimensions through you can see the use cases; one dimension is the media (image, video, audio), another dimension is the use of the annotation (presentation, adaptation, search) 13:31:05 6083 will be kept 13:31:15 I agree with vassilis and raphael 13:31:29 6085: keep mm sharing use case? 13:31:33 6085 keep or drop ? 13:31:50 same a s search, I think, so keep it for the tie being 13:32:00 felix: same as search, keep it 13:33:06 6112 is done 13:33:06 6112: done 13:34:04 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Sep/0053.html 13:34:05 6112: template + call for contributions from outside wg 13:34:17 +1 13:34:27 +1 13:35:05 6126 Machine readable license data (no text) 13:35:16 use case or drop it ? 13:35:32 Felix: we can prepare the template later, e.g. after the first WD 13:35:38 I did mention the template from the SWD WG: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/UCFormat 13:36:29 felix: (6112) prepare template for UCs/requirements now? 13:36:36 daniel: prepare latr 13:36:42 s/latr/later/ 13:37:08 issue 6126, keep or drop? 13:38:12 felix: detailed definition of license data beyond scope, just slots for plugging in license information 13:38:29 Post on the mailing list go in the same direction that what Felix said 13:38:37 keep use case 6126. any opinion ? 13:38:39 If we decide for a slot then we can drop it 13:38:54 +1 for dropping and agreeing to put a placeholder 13:39:17 +1 to rapahel 13:39:25 +1 13:39:32 +1 13:39:33 +1 to rapahel 13:39:33 +1 13:39:46 issue 6126 will be dropped 13:40:11 s/will be dropped/will be dropped and we will have just a placeholder for machine readable license data/ 13:42:02 daniel: feel free to contribute to wiki 13:42:08 http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Main_Page#Use_Cases__and_Requirements 13:43:10 http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Use_Cases_&_Requirements 13:43:17 felix: updated main page, use cases on separate page 13:44:02 topic: Use cases to be derived from the thread "Elaborating on the Video use case" 13:44:50 VeroniqueM has joined #mediaann 13:45:57 joakim: included in services uc or not? 13:46:32 felix: looked at Microsoft Interactive Media Manager documents, did not find link to ontology 13:46:59 joakim: has some info locally, will post to list 13:47:03 Joakim, can you post the ontology to the list? is it publicly available ? 13:47:30 new use case "Video" 13:48:43 new use case "Video" ? any opinion ? 13:49:34 +1 13:50:02 Like Felix said, I made a case for having structured annotations 13:50:40 The WG will design an abstract model, but at some point, needs to vote for a format for representing this model 13:50:44 I would favor RDF 13:50:53 +1 to RDF 13:51:11 daniel: create new use case "video" 13:51:32 ACTION: joakim to add text on video uc 13:51:33 Created ACTION-14 - Add text on video uc [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2008-10-14]. 13:51:45 q+ 13:52:00 zakim, ack me 13:52:00 unmuting raphael 13:52:02 I see no one on the speaker queue 13:52:22 http://www.youtube.com/t/annotations_about 13:52:41 raphael: announcement from youtube for annotation support 13:53:26 zakim, mute me 13:53:26 raphael should now be muted 13:53:53 daniel: also create uc from mobile? 13:54:21 ACTION: joakim to elaborate on mobile uc 13:54:21 Created ACTION-15 - Elaborate on mobile uc [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2008-10-14]. 13:56:18 topic: use cases from issues list 13:58:09 ??: service use case - generalise? 13:59:21 felix: does a specific uc have effect on ontology or api? 13:59:38 would it be relevant to separate a list of tasks, that need models, and use cases that group different tasks? 13:59:59 felix: maybe keep in mind when you produce a use case / requirement if it has an effect on the ontology or the API 14:00:28 daniel: ALL: add to requirements list 14:01:32 tobiasb2 has joined #mediaann 14:01:34 -Felix 14:01:35 -??P7 14:01:37 -Werner 14:01:38 -Daniel 14:01:40 -Thierry 14:01:40 -Hui 14:01:41 -raphael 14:01:48 thanks all and bye - Daniel 14:01:54 thanks werner for scribing 14:02:00 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki 14:02:03 -Frank 14:02:06 thierry has left #mediaann 14:02:45 -Davy 14:03:06 -Vassilis 14:03:08 IA_MAWG()9:00AM has ended 14:03:09 Attendees were +43.316.876.aaaa, +329331aabb, Felix, Davy, Werner, [VrijeUni], Veronique, Daniel, raphael, Thierry, Vassilis, +31.20.525.aacc, Frank, Hui 14:09:31 close ACTION-12 14:09:31 ACTION-12 (placeholder for dave) to elaborate 6066 closed 14:09:32 close ACTION-13 14:09:32 ACTION-13 (placeholder for dave) to work on 6113 closed 14:12:42 rrsagent, bye 14:12:42 I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-mediaann-actions.rdf : 14:12:42 ACTION: joakim to add text on video uc [2] 14:12:42 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-mediaann-irc#T13-51-32 14:12:42 ACTION: joakim to elaborate on mobile uc [3] 14:12:42 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-mediaann-irc#T13-54-21 14:12:45 zakim, bye 14:12:45 Zakim has left #mediaann