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18:01:30 <pratul> Agenda at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Oct/0002.html
18:01:52 <pratul> John's update to agenda at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Oct/0003.html 
18:02:37 <Kumar> I am trying to dial in but zakim keeps on disconnecting me.
18:03:09 <Kirk> zakim, who's on the phone?
18:03:09 <Zakim> sorry, Kirk, I don't know what conference this is
18:03:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, pratul, Kirk, Kumar, MSM, trackbot
18:03:33 <Kirk> zakim, this is #sml
18:03:33 <Zakim> sorry, Kirk, I do not see a conference named '#sml' in progress or scheduled at this time
18:03:49 <Kirk> zakim, this is sml
18:03:49 <Zakim> ok, Kirk; that matches XML_SMLWG()2:00PM
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18:05:28 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
18:05:40 <pratul> Zakim, Microsoft is me
18:05:40 <Zakim> +pratul; got it
18:05:54 <johnarwe_> zakim, who's on the phone?
18:05:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P10, johnarwe_, Kumar, pratul
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18:06:34 <Kirk> zakim, who's on the phone?
18:06:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P10, johnarwe_, Kumar, pratul, Sandy, Ginny_Smith
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18:06:56 <Kirk> zakim, ??P10 is me
18:06:56 <Zakim> +Kirk; got it
18:07:40 <Sandy_> meeting: W3C SML Teleconference of 2008-10-02
18:07:47 <Sandy_> scribenick: Sandy
18:07:49 <Sandy_> scribe: Sandy Gao
18:09:01 <Sandy_> chair: Pratul Dublish
18:09:35 <MSM> zakim, please call MSM-617
18:09:35 <Zakim> ok, MSM; the call is being made
18:09:36 <Zakim> +MSM
18:10:11 <Sandy> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Oct/0002.html
18:10:46 <Sandy> topic: Approval of minutes from previous meeting
18:11:05 <Sandy> Kumar: Kirk has a suggestion.
18:11:21 <Sandy> Krik: didn't mean to update the minutes.
18:11:34 <johnarwe_> kirk's suggestion is in the email at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Oct/0001.html
18:11:54 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: approve 2008-09-25 telecon minutes at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Oct/att-0000/2008-09-25-minutes.htm
18:12:33 <johnarwe_> note also agenda updates requested in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Oct/0003.html
18:16:53 <Sandy> topic: Action items
18:18:14 <Sandy> Neither action is done. ETA Oct. F2F.
18:22:10 <Sandy> topic: F2F logistics
18:23:10 <Sandy> All: would like a WG dinner. Tentatively prefer Monday.
18:23:41 <Sandy> topic: Interop test plan discussion
18:24:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-sml-minutes.html Sandy
18:26:03 <johnarwe_> 9/25 draft is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Sep/0022.html
18:27:18 <Sandy> The latest draft is available at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Sep/0022.html
18:27:57 <Sandy> John: on issue #5 Need test cases for validation of SML-IF format
18:28:07 <Sandy> Kumar: answer should be "yes".
18:28:12 <Sandy> Ginny: I agree.
18:29:11 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: WG agreed that we need test cases for validation of SML-IF format.
18:29:41 <Sandy> topic: Review of test cases
18:29:49 <Sandy> Current test cases available at http://wiki.eclipse.org/COSMOS_SML_Test_Plan
18:31:37 <Sandy> Kumar: I'm OK with adopting whatever COSMOS has.
18:32:12 <Sandy> John: Paul has concerns with pointing to COSMOS repository.
18:32:23 <Sandy> Ginny: what if the test case changes
18:32:43 <Sandy> John: it's OK as long as the URL has the correct revision information.
18:33:31 <Sandy> Ginny: do the test cases focus on particular features, or do they tend to test multiple features in a single test?
18:33:49 <Sandy> John: they generally only test a single feature.
18:34:09 <Sandy> Ginny: and the tests are self-contained? i.e no sharing of test documents.
18:34:11 <Sandy> John: yes
18:35:46 <Sandy> MSM: I think we should include tests that ensures that SML constraints and schematron rules are applied to the right element instances?
18:36:43 <Sandy> MSM: naive implementation may apply these constraints to element instances that have the correct name but do not match the declaration/definition that carries the constraints.
18:38:07 <Sandy> Ginny: Want to spend time to review the list of features covered by COSMOS tests.
18:38:12 <Sandy> Pratul: I agree.
18:38:26 <Sandy> Pratul: are there tests that are specific to testing IF?
18:38:39 <Sandy> John: think so, those to do with aliases, locators, etc.
18:41:28 <Sandy> John: and there are tests for xml:base
18:44:31 <Sandy> Pratul: everyone should look at these tests, to determine whether any addition, deletion, or modification is needed.
18:45:36 <Sandy> Kumar: if a feature is not adequately covered, what's the process to improve the coverage? We draft the tests and submit to COSMOS?
18:47:29 <Sandy> Pratul: may be better to keep the additional tests we write in W3C repositories.
18:47:59 <Sandy> MSM: that would also have less legal complications.
18:48:55 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: point to COSMOS test cases; keep our own tests in W3C repositories.
18:51:32 <Sandy> John: suggest 2-pass approach. first look through the list and decide to include, exclude, or possibly modify. then in the second pass decide what to change for each test.
18:51:36 <Sandy> Pratul: I agree.
18:51:53 <Zakim> -MSM
18:51:58 <Zakim> -Kirk
18:52:00 <Zakim> -Ginny_Smith
18:52:00 <Zakim> -Kumar
18:52:02 <Zakim> -Sandy
18:52:03 <Zakim> -pratul
18:52:04 <Zakim> -johnarwe_
18:52:04 <Zakim> XML_SMLWG()2:00PM has ended
18:52:05 <Zakim> Attendees were johnarwe_, Kumar, pratul, Sandy, Ginny_Smith, Kirk, MSM
18:52:14 <Sandy> rrsagent, generate minutes
18:52:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-sml-minutes.html Sandy
18:53:07 <Sandy> rrsagent, bye
18:53:07 <RRSAgent> I see no action items