IRC log of sml on 2008-10-02
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-sml-irc
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- 18:01:30 [pratul]
- Agenda at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Oct/0002.html
- 18:01:52 [pratul]
- John's update to agenda at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Oct/0003.html
- 18:02:37 [Kumar]
- I am trying to dial in but zakim keeps on disconnecting me.
- 18:03:09 [Kirk]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 18:03:09 [Zakim]
- sorry, Kirk, I don't know what conference this is
- 18:03:10 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see RRSAgent, pratul, Kirk, Kumar, MSM, trackbot
- 18:03:33 [Kirk]
- zakim, this is #sml
- 18:03:33 [Zakim]
- sorry, Kirk, I do not see a conference named '#sml' in progress or scheduled at this time
- 18:03:49 [Kirk]
- zakim, this is sml
- 18:03:49 [Zakim]
- ok, Kirk; that matches XML_SMLWG()2:00PM
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- +Kumar
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- +[Microsoft]
- 18:05:40 [pratul]
- Zakim, Microsoft is me
- 18:05:40 [Zakim]
- +pratul; got it
- 18:05:54 [johnarwe_]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 18:05:54 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see ??P10, johnarwe_, Kumar, pratul
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- +Sandy
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- +Ginny_Smith
- 18:06:34 [Kirk]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 18:06:34 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see ??P10, johnarwe_, Kumar, pratul, Sandy, Ginny_Smith
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- 18:06:56 [Kirk]
- zakim, ??P10 is me
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- +Kirk; got it
- 18:07:40 [Sandy_]
- meeting: W3C SML Teleconference of 2008-10-02
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- scribenick: Sandy
- 18:07:49 [Sandy_]
- scribe: Sandy Gao
- 18:09:01 [Sandy_]
- chair: Pratul Dublish
- 18:09:35 [MSM]
- zakim, please call MSM-617
- 18:09:35 [Zakim]
- ok, MSM; the call is being made
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- +MSM
- 18:10:11 [Sandy]
- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Oct/0002.html
- 18:10:46 [Sandy]
- topic: Approval of minutes from previous meeting
- 18:11:05 [Sandy]
- Kumar: Kirk has a suggestion.
- 18:11:21 [Sandy]
- Krik: didn't mean to update the minutes.
- 18:11:34 [johnarwe_]
- kirk's suggestion is in the email at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Oct/0001.html
- 18:11:54 [Sandy]
- RESOLUTION: approve 2008-09-25 telecon minutes at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Oct/att-0000/2008-09-25-minutes.htm
- 18:12:33 [johnarwe_]
- note also agenda updates requested in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Oct/0003.html
- 18:16:53 [Sandy]
- topic: Action items
- 18:18:14 [Sandy]
- Neither action is done. ETA Oct. F2F.
- 18:22:10 [Sandy]
- topic: F2F logistics
- 18:23:10 [Sandy]
- All: would like a WG dinner. Tentatively prefer Monday.
- 18:23:41 [Sandy]
- topic: Interop test plan discussion
- 18:24:07 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-sml-minutes.html Sandy
- 18:26:03 [johnarwe_]
- 9/25 draft is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Sep/0022.html
- 18:27:18 [Sandy]
- The latest draft is available at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Sep/0022.html
- 18:27:57 [Sandy]
- John: on issue #5 Need test cases for validation of SML-IF format
- 18:28:07 [Sandy]
- Kumar: answer should be "yes".
- 18:28:12 [Sandy]
- Ginny: I agree.
- 18:29:11 [Sandy]
- RESOLUTION: WG agreed that we need test cases for validation of SML-IF format.
- 18:29:41 [Sandy]
- topic: Review of test cases
- 18:29:49 [Sandy]
- Current test cases available at http://wiki.eclipse.org/COSMOS_SML_Test_Plan
- 18:31:37 [Sandy]
- Kumar: I'm OK with adopting whatever COSMOS has.
- 18:32:12 [Sandy]
- John: Paul has concerns with pointing to COSMOS repository.
- 18:32:23 [Sandy]
- Ginny: what if the test case changes
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- John: it's OK as long as the URL has the correct revision information.
- 18:33:31 [Sandy]
- Ginny: do the test cases focus on particular features, or do they tend to test multiple features in a single test?
- 18:33:49 [Sandy]
- John: they generally only test a single feature.
- 18:34:09 [Sandy]
- Ginny: and the tests are self-contained? i.e no sharing of test documents.
- 18:34:11 [Sandy]
- John: yes
- 18:35:46 [Sandy]
- MSM: I think we should include tests that ensures that SML constraints and schematron rules are applied to the right element instances?
- 18:36:43 [Sandy]
- MSM: naive implementation may apply these constraints to element instances that have the correct name but do not match the declaration/definition that carries the constraints.
- 18:38:07 [Sandy]
- Ginny: Want to spend time to review the list of features covered by COSMOS tests.
- 18:38:12 [Sandy]
- Pratul: I agree.
- 18:38:26 [Sandy]
- Pratul: are there tests that are specific to testing IF?
- 18:38:39 [Sandy]
- John: think so, those to do with aliases, locators, etc.
- 18:41:28 [Sandy]
- John: and there are tests for xml:base
- 18:44:31 [Sandy]
- Pratul: everyone should look at these tests, to determine whether any addition, deletion, or modification is needed.
- 18:45:36 [Sandy]
- Kumar: if a feature is not adequately covered, what's the process to improve the coverage? We draft the tests and submit to COSMOS?
- 18:47:29 [Sandy]
- Pratul: may be better to keep the additional tests we write in W3C repositories.
- 18:47:59 [Sandy]
- MSM: that would also have less legal complications.
- 18:48:55 [Sandy]
- RESOLUTION: point to COSMOS test cases; keep our own tests in W3C repositories.
- 18:51:32 [Sandy]
- John: suggest 2-pass approach. first look through the list and decide to include, exclude, or possibly modify. then in the second pass decide what to change for each test.
- 18:51:36 [Sandy]
- Pratul: I agree.
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- -MSM
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- -Kirk
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- -Ginny_Smith
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- -Kumar
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- -Sandy
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- -pratul
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- -johnarwe_
- 18:52:04 [Zakim]
- XML_SMLWG()2:00PM has ended
- 18:52:05 [Zakim]
- Attendees were johnarwe_, Kumar, pratul, Sandy, Ginny_Smith, Kirk, MSM
- 18:52:14 [Sandy]
- rrsagent, generate minutes
- 18:52:14 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-sml-minutes.html Sandy
- 18:53:07 [Sandy]
- rrsagent, bye
- 18:53:07 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items