IRC log of emotion on 2008-10-02

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13:54:59 [marc]

Meeting: Emotion Markup Language Incubator Phone Meeting

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Chair: Marc_Schroeder

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-emotion/2008Oct/0000.html

13:56:12 [marc]

zakim, this will be INC_EMOXG

13:56:12 [Zakim]

ok, marc; I see INC_EMOXG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

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INC_EMOXG()10:00AM has now started

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+Rinke

13:57:10 [marc]

zakim, I am Rinke

13:57:10 [Zakim]

ok, marc, I now associate you with Rinke

13:57:19 [marc]

zakim, who is here?

13:57:19 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Rinke

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On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, marc, bjoern, trackbot

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+ +04989aaaa

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+Paolo_Baggia

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Zakim, I am aaaa

13:58:33 [Zakim]

+bjoern; got it

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Scribe: Bjoern Schuller

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ScribeNick: bjoern

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Topic: Modality (Meta 2)

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Enrico's proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-emotion/2008Aug/0016.html

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+Myriam_Arrue

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present: Paolo Enrico Marc Myriam Idoia Bjoern

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14:12:07 [bjoern]

zakim, who is here?

14:12:07 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Rinke, bjoern, Paolo_Baggia, Myriam_Arrue

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On IRC I see paolo, Idoia, RRSAgent, Zakim, marc, bjoern, trackbot

14:12:52 [bjoern]

Enrico introduces his proposal wrt. Meta 2 - Modality

14:13:30 [bjoern]

Enrico explains sign as stemming from sign languages

14:16:34 [marc]

<emotion>

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<category set="everyday" name="pleasure"/>

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<modality medium="visual" set="basic_modalities" mode="face">

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</emotion>

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<emotion>

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<category set="everyday" name="pleasure"/>

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<modality medium="visual">

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</emotion>

14:18:12 [paolo]

zakim, who is here?

14:18:12 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Rinke, bjoern, Paolo_Baggia, Myriam_Arrue

14:18:13 [Zakim]

On IRC I see paolo, Idoia, RRSAgent, Zakim, marc, bjoern, trackbot

14:18:17 [marc]

Multimodality, suggestion 1:

14:18:18 [marc]

<emotion>

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<category set="everyday" name="excited"/>

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<modality id="m1" set="basic_modalities" mode="face"/>

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<modality id="m2" set="basic_modalities" mode="voice"/>

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</emotion>

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suggestion 2:

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<emotion>

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<category set="everyday" name="excited"/>

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<modality set="basic_modalities" name="face&voice"/>

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</emotion>

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suggestion 3:

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<emotion>

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<category set="everyday" name="excited"/>

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<modality set="basic_modalities&my_modalities" name="voice&music"/>

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</emotion>

14:21:31 [bjoern]

Enrico names further example by Felix

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...on Aug, 11.

14:22:24 [marc]

suggestion 4:

14:22:25 [paolo]

zakim, Paolo_Baggia is Paolo_Baggia,Enrico_Zovato

14:22:25 [Zakim]

+Paolo_Baggia,Enrico_Zovato; got it

14:22:25 [marc]

<modality set="basic_modalities">

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<mode="face"/>

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<mode="voice"/>

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</modality>

14:22:46 [paolo]

Felix email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-emotion/2008Aug/0022.html

14:24:07 [bjoern]

Paolo: first issue set/name better discussed in Cannes?

14:24:46 [bjoern]

Paolo would explain alternative

14:24:56 [bjoern]

Marc would be interested

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Paolo would distribute spec ahead of Cannes

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Enrico would also provide a short overview

14:27:20 [bjoern]

ACTION: paolo to provide information to the group ahead of Cannes - due 2008-10-10

14:27:20 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-32 - provide information to the group ahead of Cannes [on Paolo Baggia - due 2008-10-10].

14:28:25 [bjoern]

Paolo: seperator as white pace easier in XML

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Paolo regards this as syntactic issue which may be used consequently

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xsd:nmtokens

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Marc: crucial issue: schema vs. plug in by user

14:32:45 [bjoern]

asks about inclusion of fusion type for modality as early / late, synchronous / asynchronous

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Paolo says that in EMMA there is something like this possibly included

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Marc suggests that custom set of modalities would cover for this

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agrees

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Marc favours mode or modality over medium

14:37:38 [bjoern]

Marc prefers body stance over sign

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Marc suggests short list of modalities for the beginning

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Marc adresses consistency with EMMA

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Marc suggests to include only what we need

14:40:58 [bjoern]

Marc sees same kind of annotation in different languages as first consistency issue

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Paolo suggests to stay as far as possible consistent with other definitions

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Marc asks if there are voices in favour of "medium"

14:44:59 [bjoern]

Marc feels that this might be too fine granular for the EMOXL case

14:46:04 [bjoern]

misses physiologic in basic modalities and context (e.g. driving pattern in a car)

14:46:33 [bjoern]

Paolo says from mode medium may be derived

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Marc suggests to go back to the requirements

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Marc also wants to avoid complexity unless needed

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Paolo would like to have opinion of the group hereon

14:50:17 [bjoern]

ACTION: Enrico to send email on use-cases for mode and medium to group - due 2008-10-10

14:50:17 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-33 - send email on use-cases for mode and medium to group [on Enrico Zovato - due 2008-10-10].

14:50:50 [bjoern]

Marc asks on favour wrt. composite as face&voice

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Enrico suggests a survey on this

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Topic: elements where Confidence (Meta 1) can be used

14:51:52 [bjoern]

ACTION: Enrico to send survey on composite multimodality - due 10-10-2008

14:51:52 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-34 - send survey on composite multimodality [on Enrico Zovato - due 2016-03-30].

14:52:03 [bjoern]

next topic...

14:52:12 [marc]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-emotion/2008Aug/0001.html

14:52:47 [bjoern]

Marc moves to Meta 1 : Confidence

14:53:36 [bjoern]

No disagreement on necassity of confidences on core 2,3,4,5,7

14:54:39 [bjoern]

Marc asks about sense of confidence for core 1,6,8,2

14:54:55 [bjoern]

Bjoern claims potential importance for core 6 (complex emotions)

14:55:07 [bjoern]

Nobody pushing core 1,8,2

14:55:38 [bjoern]

Bjoern: not core, but meta 2...

14:56:14 [bjoern]

Marc: think also about conf for global meta

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ok by everybody

14:57:06 [bjoern]

asks about tag for measurement by which confidence was obtained

14:58:10 [bjoern]

Marc: let's note this down as an issue.

14:58:18 [marc]

Topic: identify issues to discuss at the f2f in Cannes

14:58:58 [marc]

internal progress report: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-emotion/2008Sep/0012.html

14:59:38 [bjoern]

Marc: weak agremment on global meta data and links to the rest of the world

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Marc suggests to focus on these two issues in Cannes and only briefly review rest

15:00:32 [bjoern]

everybody agrees.

15:00:35 [Zakim]

-Paolo_Baggia,Enrico_Zovato

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suggests to not make decisions in Cannes but prepare "force" by polls/surveys

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Marc: people are invited to give comments before meeting

15:03:43 [bjoern]

Marc: Main topics in Cannes: global meta data, links to the rest of the world and proposal by Enrico wrt. modalities

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-Myriam_Arrue

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rrsagent, make logs public

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-emotion-minutes.html marc

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-Rinke

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-bjoern

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INC_EMOXG()10:00AM has ended

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zakim, bye

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Attendees were Rinke, +04989aaaa, bjoern, Myriam_Arrue, Paolo_Baggia,Enrico_Zovato

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-emotion-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: paolo to provide information to the group ahead of Cannes - due 2008-10-10 [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-emotion-irc#T14-27-20

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ACTION: Enrico to send email on use-cases for mode and medium to group - due 2008-10-10 [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-emotion-irc#T14-50-17

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ACTION: Enrico to send survey on composite multimodality - due 10-10-2008 [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-emotion-irc#T14-51-52-1

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