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13:54:59 <marc> Meeting: Emotion Markup Language Incubator Phone Meeting
13:55:06 <marc> Chair: Marc_Schroeder
13:55:20 <marc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-emotion/2008Oct/0000.html
13:56:12 <marc> zakim, this will be INC_EMOXG
13:56:12 <Zakim> ok, marc; I see INC_EMOXG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
13:56:55 <Zakim> INC_EMOXG()10:00AM has now started
13:57:02 <Zakim> +Rinke
13:57:10 <marc> zakim, I am Rinke
13:57:10 <Zakim> ok, marc, I now associate you with Rinke
13:57:19 <marc> zakim, who is here?
13:57:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see Rinke
13:57:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, marc, bjoern, trackbot
13:57:45 <Zakim> + +04989aaaa
13:58:25 <Zakim> +Paolo_Baggia
13:58:33 <bjoern> Zakim, I am aaaa
13:58:33 <Zakim> +bjoern; got it
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14:06:55 <bjoern> Scribe: Bjoern Schuller
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14:07:25 <bjoern> ScribeNick: bjoern
14:07:44 <marc> Topic: Modality (Meta 2)
14:08:48 <marc> Enrico's proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-emotion/2008Aug/0016.html
14:09:19 <Zakim> +Myriam_Arrue
14:10:21 <bjoern> present: Paolo Enrico Marc Myriam Idoia Bjoern
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14:12:07 <bjoern> zakim, who is here?
14:12:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see Rinke, bjoern, Paolo_Baggia, Myriam_Arrue
14:12:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see paolo, Idoia, RRSAgent, Zakim, marc, bjoern, trackbot
14:12:52 <bjoern> Enrico introduces his proposal wrt. Meta 2 - Modality
14:13:30 <bjoern> Enrico explains sign as stemming from sign languages
14:16:34 <marc>  <emotion>
14:16:34 <marc>      <category set="everyday" name="pleasure"/>
14:16:34 <marc>      <modality medium="visual" set="basic_modalities"  mode="face">
14:16:35 <marc>  </emotion>
14:17:19 <marc>  <emotion>
14:17:19 <marc>      <category set="everyday" name="pleasure"/>
14:17:19 <marc>      <modality medium="visual">
14:17:20 <marc>  </emotion>
14:18:12 <paolo> zakim, who is here?
14:18:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see Rinke, bjoern, Paolo_Baggia, Myriam_Arrue
14:18:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see paolo, Idoia, RRSAgent, Zakim, marc, bjoern, trackbot
14:18:17 <marc> Multimodality, suggestion 1:
14:18:18 <marc> <emotion>
14:18:18 <marc>      <category set="everyday" name="excited"/>
14:18:18 <marc>      <modality id="m1" set="basic_modalities" mode="face"/>
14:18:19 <marc>      <modality id="m2" set="basic_modalities" mode="voice"/>
14:18:19 <marc> </emotion>
14:19:39 <marc> suggestion 2:
14:19:40 <marc> <emotion>
14:19:40 <marc>      <category set="everyday" name="excited"/>
14:19:41 <marc>      <modality set="basic_modalities" name="face&voice"/>
14:19:41 <marc> </emotion>
14:21:04 <marc> suggestion 3:
14:21:07 <marc> <emotion>
14:21:07 <marc>      <category set="everyday" name="excited"/>
14:21:07 <marc>      <modality set="basic_modalities&my_modalities" name="voice&music"/>
14:21:07 <marc> </emotion>
14:21:31 <bjoern> Enrico names further example by Felix
14:21:56 <bjoern> ...on Aug, 11.
14:22:24 <marc> suggestion 4:
14:22:25 <paolo> zakim, Paolo_Baggia is Paolo_Baggia,Enrico_Zovato
14:22:25 <Zakim> +Paolo_Baggia,Enrico_Zovato; got it
14:22:25 <marc> <modality set="basic_modalities">
14:22:26 <marc>  <mode="face"/>
14:22:26 <marc>  <mode="voice"/>
14:22:26 <marc> </modality>  
14:22:46 <paolo> Felix email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-emotion/2008Aug/0022.html
14:24:07 <bjoern> Paolo: first issue set/name better discussed in Cannes?
14:24:46 <bjoern> Paolo would explain alternative
14:24:56 <bjoern> Marc would be interested
14:25:19 <bjoern> Paolo would distribute spec ahead of Cannes
14:25:35 <bjoern> Enrico would also provide a short overview
14:27:20 <bjoern> ACTION: paolo to provide information to the group ahead of Cannes - due 2008-10-10
14:27:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-32 - provide information to the group ahead of Cannes [on Paolo Baggia - due 2008-10-10].
14:28:25 <bjoern> Paolo: seperator as white pace easier in XML
14:29:02 <bjoern> Paolo regards this as syntactic issue which may be used consequently
14:29:11 <paolo> xsd:nmtokens
14:29:58 <bjoern> Marc: crucial issue: schema vs. plug in by user
14:32:45 <bjoern> asks about inclusion of fusion type for modality as early / late, synchronous / asynchronous
14:33:49 <bjoern> Paolo says that in EMMA there is something like this possibly included
14:35:12 <bjoern> Marc suggests that custom set of modalities would cover for this
14:35:18 <bjoern> agrees
14:37:18 <bjoern> Marc favours mode or modality over medium
14:37:38 <bjoern> Marc prefers body stance over sign
14:38:03 <bjoern> Marc suggests short list of modalities for the beginning
14:39:55 <bjoern> Marc adresses consistency with EMMA
14:40:14 <bjoern> Marc suggests to include only what we need
14:40:58 <bjoern> Marc sees same kind of annotation in different languages as first consistency issue 
14:41:52 <bjoern> Paolo suggests to stay as far as possible consistent with other definitions
14:42:28 <bjoern> Marc asks if there are voices in favour of "medium"
14:44:59 <bjoern> Marc feels that this might be too fine granular for the EMOXL case
14:46:04 <bjoern> misses physiologic in basic modalities and context (e.g. driving pattern in a car)
14:46:33 <bjoern> Paolo says from mode medium may be derived
14:47:43 <bjoern> Marc suggests to go back to the requirements
14:48:00 <bjoern> Marc also wants to avoid complexity unless needed
14:48:15 <bjoern> Paolo would like to have opinion of the group hereon
14:50:17 <bjoern> ACTION: Enrico to send email on use-cases for mode and medium to group - due 2008-10-10
14:50:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-33 - send email on use-cases for mode and medium to group [on Enrico Zovato - due 2008-10-10].
14:50:50 <bjoern> Marc asks on favour wrt. composite as face&voice
14:51:16 <bjoern> Enrico suggests a survey on this
14:51:52 <marc> Topic: elements where Confidence (Meta 1) can be used
14:51:52 <bjoern> ACTION: Enrico to send survey on composite multimodality - due 10-10-2008
14:51:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-34 - send survey on composite multimodality [on Enrico Zovato - due 2016-03-30].
14:52:03 <bjoern> next topic...
14:52:12 <marc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-emotion/2008Aug/0001.html
14:52:47 <bjoern> Marc moves to Meta 1 : Confidence
14:53:36 <bjoern> No disagreement on necassity of confidences on core 2,3,4,5,7
14:54:39 <bjoern> Marc asks about sense of confidence for core 1,6,8,2
14:54:55 <bjoern> Bjoern claims potential importance for core 6 (complex emotions)
14:55:07 <bjoern> Nobody pushing core 1,8,2
14:55:38 <bjoern> Bjoern: not core, but meta 2...
14:56:14 <bjoern> Marc: think also about conf for global meta
14:56:24 <bjoern> ok by everybody
14:57:06 <bjoern> asks about tag for measurement by which confidence was obtained
14:58:10 <bjoern> Marc: let's note this down as an issue.
14:58:18 <marc> Topic: identify issues to discuss at the f2f in Cannes
14:58:58 <marc> internal progress report: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-emotion/2008Sep/0012.html
14:59:38 <bjoern> Marc: weak agremment on global meta data and links to the rest of the world
15:00:15 <bjoern> Marc suggests to focus on these two issues in Cannes and only briefly review rest
15:00:32 <bjoern> everybody agrees.
15:00:35 <Zakim> -Paolo_Baggia,Enrico_Zovato
15:01:37 <bjoern> suggests to not make decisions in Cannes but prepare "force" by polls/surveys
15:02:34 <bjoern> Marc: people are invited to give comments before meeting
15:03:43 <bjoern> Marc: Main topics in Cannes: global meta data, links to the rest of the world and proposal by Enrico wrt. modalities
15:03:47 <Zakim> -Myriam_Arrue
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15:04:47 <marc> rrsagent, make logs public
15:04:58 <marc> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:04:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-emotion-minutes.html marc
15:12:01 <Zakim> -Rinke
15:12:02 <Zakim> -bjoern
15:12:06 <Zakim> INC_EMOXG()10:00AM has ended
15:12:08 <marc> zakim, bye
15:12:08 <Zakim> Attendees were Rinke, +04989aaaa, bjoern, Myriam_Arrue, Paolo_Baggia,Enrico_Zovato
15:12:11 <marc> rrsagent, bye
15:12:11 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-emotion-actions.rdf :
15:12:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: paolo to provide information to the group ahead of Cannes - due 2008-10-10 [1]
15:12:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-emotion-irc#T14-27-20
15:12:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Enrico to send email on use-cases for mode and medium to group - due 2008-10-10 [2]
15:12:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-emotion-irc#T14-50-17
15:12:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Enrico to send survey on composite multimodality - due 10-10-2008 [3]
15:12:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-emotion-irc#T14-51-52-1
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