13:56:40 RRSAgent has joined #bpwg 13:56:40 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-bpwg-irc 13:56:42 RRSAgent, make logs public 13:56:42 Zakim has joined #bpwg 13:56:44 Zakim, this will be BPWG 13:56:44 ok, trackbot; I see MWI_BPWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes 13:56:45 Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference 13:56:45 Date: 02 October 2008 13:56:54 Chair: Jo 13:57:14 cgi-irc has joined #bpwg 13:57:15 jeffs has joined #bpwg 13:57:31 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Oct/0000.html 13:58:26 MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has now started 13:58:34 +??P14 13:58:52 zakim, ??P14 is jeffs 13:58:52 +jeffs; got it 13:59:44 +aconnors 13:59:47 -jeffs 13:59:48 +jeffs 14:00:22 + +0121707aaaa 14:00:53 DKA has joined #bpwg 14:01:03 Regrets: Heiko, Yeliz, Manrique, SeanP, Sangwhan, Rob, DKA, Francois(partial) 14:01:15 rrsagent, make logs public 14:01:22 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:01:22 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-bpwg-minutes.html jo 14:02:10 +Bryan_Sullivan 14:02:29 Bryan has joined #bpwg 14:02:44 nick aconnors 14:03:26 zakim, who is on the call? 14:03:26 On the phone I see jeffs, aconnors, +0121707aaaa, Bryan_Sullivan 14:04:45 +??P29 14:04:55 zakim, ??p29 is me 14:04:55 +jo; got it 14:06:10 miguel has joined #bpwg 14:06:42 zakim, aaaa is bruce 14:06:42 +bruce; got it 14:07:09 +[W3C-Spain] 14:07:18 zakim, who is here 14:07:18 jo, you need to end that query with '?' 14:07:35 zakim, who is here? 14:07:35 On the phone I see jeffs, aconnors, bruce, Bryan_Sullivan, jo, [W3C-Spain] 14:07:37 On IRC I see miguel, Bryan, DKA, jeffs, aconnors, Zakim, RRSAgent, jo, francois, matt, dom, trackbot 14:07:52 zakim, W3C-Spain holds miguel 14:07:52 +miguel; got it 14:07:54 miguel has left #bpwg 14:08:37 miguel has joined #bpwg 14:09:21 zakim, who is here? 14:09:21 On the phone I see jeffs, aconnors, bruce, Bryan_Sullivan, jo, [W3C-Spain] 14:09:23 [W3C-Spain] has miguel 14:09:24 On IRC I see miguel, Bryan, DKA, jeffs, aconnors, Zakim, RRSAgent, jo, francois, matt, dom, trackbot 14:10:17 scribe: jeffs 14:10:41 achuter has joined #bpwg 14:10:45 Agenda Item !: Introductions 14:10:55 Topic: Introductions 14:11:01 Bruce from Opera 14:11:23 s/Agenda Item !: Introductions// 14:12:38 bruce interested in accessibility 14:12:52 +??P39 14:13:00 Topic: Task Forces Reports 14:13:22 zakim, ??P39 is me 14:13:22 +achuter; got it 14:13:24 Korea Task Force: no one present 14:14:33 Checker Task Force: will have proposed changes for MobileOK not yet agreed, but expect agreement within next week or so and changes will be made then 14:15:05 Chairs awaiting feedback from another group 14:15:24 action: jo to chase WSC WG ref proposed change to mobileOK Basic 14:15:26 Created ACTION-856 - Chase WSC WG ref proposed change to mobileOK Basic [on Jo Rabin - due 2008-10-09]. 14:15:34 Topic: Updates 14:15:34 Topic: Updates 14:16:12 Yeliz not on call today, but a number of updates have been posted today 14:16:14 -> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/37584/WAI-Mobile-Experiences/results Poll 14:16:49 responses currently positive, awaiting more results 14:17:35 note that all responses to the poll were positive with requests for minor corrections, Yeliz sent update today, we will review next week 14:18:21 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/ED-mwbp-wcag-20081002/ 14:18:30 Alan on new editor's draft for accessibility 14:18:57 main differences: moving section on doing both WCAG and Mobile 14:19:19 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/changelog.html#version_20081002 14:19:24 2nd change re Education and Outreach group 14:19:29 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/ED-mwbp-wcag-20081002/#together 14:20:03 brucel has joined #bpwg 14:20:18 request for clarification: section on what to do if trying to accomplish both Mobile Best Practices and WCAG at the same time 14:20:34 s/request/Alan: / 14:20:49 s/Alan:/Alan: request/ 14:20:55 Alan: wants feedback from this group 14:21:18 Jo: thinks would be useful to put in more specifics 14:21:32 scribe: jo 14:21:46 eman has joined #bpwg 14:23:50 jeffs: has a group meeting on accessibility issue and how to implement stuff, doesn't want to step on WCAG toes needs to have a conversation with someone, and concerns about overlapping grousp, will try to get someone from NTIFD to join WCAG - Jeff's group will continue working with someone coming in on Thursday and generally think this is an interesting problem anyway 14:24:14 ... trying to find a more permanent person on WCAG anyway 14:24:18 s/NTIFD/NTID 14:24:35 scribe: jeffs 14:25:06 achuter: encouraging getting someone from NTID to join WCAG 14:25:22 rrsagent, make minutes 14:25:22 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-bpwg-minutes.html jo 14:25:32 scribe: jo 14:25:46 alan: have the people involved read the overlap doc 14:26:35 jeffs: 3 people from IT dept and 1 from NTID went through current documents about how they were going to approach it, dense set of requirements needs addressing in a cherent way 14:26:50 ... want to look for concrete approaches for developers with concrete example code 14:27:15 ... mostly have expertise on deafness, but are bringing in other experts in different disability areas to talk 14:27:39 alan: so we should not hang on for input in the immediate term 14:28:02 jeffs: we would be happy if what we produce is published as an appendix etc. 14:28:15 scribe: jeffs 14:28:16 alan: so we should not wait for a new PWD? 14:28:28 jeffs: do not wait 14:28:37 jeffs: no, but the doc wiull be better later with more concrete examples 14:28:59 Jo: any other views on this? 14:29:28 ISSUE: WHat are we going to do about the overlap section in the accessibility doc? Scrap it? 14:29:28 Created ISSUE-282 - WHat are we going to do about the overlap section in the accessibility doc? Scrap it? ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/282/edit . 14:29:42 s/WHat/What 14:29:58 Jo: asks Alan to begin this discussion on the mailing list 14:30:09 ACTION: chuter to initiate discussion on ISSUE-282 (Overlap) 14:30:09 Created ACTION-857 - Initiate discussion on ISSUE-282 (Overlap) [on Alan Chuter - due 2008-10-09]. 14:30:52 Topic: BP 1.5 14:31:04 Topic: BP 1.5 14:31:15 no comments 14:31:30 Topic: MobileOK Scheme 14:31:47 Jo: awaiting feedback from Web Security Group on our changes 14:31:59 Topic: Application Best Bractices 14:32:26 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Sep/0090.html Minutes of ABP Editors Meeting 14:32:47 Jo: discussion of meeting last week 14:32:56 Alan: all the issues were turned into actions 14:33:28 Brian: would like to see set of followups before the face-to-face 14:33:35 s/Brian/Bryan/ 14:33:52 Bryan: submitted additional items for disussion 14:34:05 s/disussion/discussion 14:35:17 Bryan: more work to be done, may not have full understanding of Web Applications compatibility issues 14:35:50 +Francois 14:36:09 Adam: would like meeting next week to move forward 14:36:54 discussion of calendaring issues for face-to-face and prep meetings 14:37:49 Jo: need to produce documents by early next week so people have something to read and discuss before face-to-face 14:38:13 Jo: face-to-face objective - get it ready for next public draft 14:38:56 Jo: concerns from Bryan and Adam need to be resolved 14:39:35 Jo: skipping issues-and-actions as not much change since last week 14:39:50 Topic: Any Other Business 14:40:03 Jo: face-to-face agenda still being worked on 14:40:35 +Kai_Dietrich 14:40:59 Jo: get registered ASAP if you are coming to the TPAC 14:41:19 Kai has joined #bpwg 14:41:33 Topic: MobileOK Pro 14:42:15 Kai: document out with a few modifications and test cases 14:42:38 Kai: removing pass-fail language 14:42:52 Kai: wants feedback from people 14:43:06 Kai: no new language in re DDC at this point 14:44:10 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Oct/0001.html Kai's trial version of the new format with only 2 changed to new format for review 14:44:33 Topic: Any Other Business 14:45:32 Jo: no other business 14:46:09 Jo: speaker phone will be available at least part of the time from the face-to-face, please let us know if you need that 14:46:50 discussion of times for getting maximum attendance 14:47:11 conclusion is late morning probably 14:47:17 for abp 14:47:34 -Kai_Dietrich 14:47:35 -Bryan_Sullivan 14:47:35 -bruce 14:47:36 -jeffs 14:47:36 -achuter 14:47:37 -aconnors 14:47:39 miguel has left #bpwg 14:47:40 -Francois 14:47:44 -[W3C-Spain] 14:47:50 -jo 14:47:50 brucel has left #bpwg 14:47:52 MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has ended 14:47:53 Attendees were jeffs, aconnors, +0121707aaaa, Bryan_Sullivan, jo, bruce, miguel, achuter, Francois, Kai_Dietrich 14:48:26 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:48:26 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-bpwg-minutes.html jo 14:49:01 present- +0121707aaaa 14:51:05 s/Korea Task Force: no one present/Topic: Content Transformation/ 14:51:31 i/Topic: Content Transformation/Topic: Korea Task Force 14:52:14 s/will have proposed changes for MobileOK not yet agreed, but expect agreement within next week or so and changes will be made then// 14:52:42 s/Checker Task Force/Topic: Checker Task Force/ 14:53:16 i/Chairs awaiting feedback from another group/will have proposed changes for MobileOK not yet agreed, but expect agreement within next week or so and changes will be made then/ 14:53:45 s/Chairs awaiting feedback from another group/Jo: awaiting feedback from WSC WG/ 14:53:55 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:53:55 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-bpwg-minutes.html jo 14:55:53 i/Checker Task Force/Jo: Francois not yet on call, skip for now/ 14:56:23 i/Content Transformation/Jo: No one from Korea is here 14:57:01 s/Yeliz not on call today, but a number of updates have been posted today/Jo: Yeliz not on call today, but a number of updates have been posted today/ 14:57:17 s/responses currently positive, awaiting more results/Jo: responses currently positive, awaiting more results/ 14:57:45 s/Alan on new editor's draft for accessibility/Alan: new editor's draft for accessibility 14:58:00 s/main differences: moving section on doing both WCAG and Mobile/Alan: main differences: moving section on doing both WCAG and Mobile 14:58:19 s/2nd change re Education and Outreach group/alan: 2nd change re Education and Outreach group 14:59:07 s/Alan: all the issues were turned into actions/Adan: all the issues were turned into actions 14:59:19 s/Adan/Adam 14:59:41 s/discussion of calendaring issues for face-to-face and prep meetings/[discussion of calendaring issues for face-to-face and prep meetings] 15:00:39 s/discussion of times for getting maximum attendance/[discussion of best time to have discussion on MWABP as Bryan is in Osaka] 15:01:06 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:01:06 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-bpwg-minutes.html jo 15:02:43 s/no comments/Jo: Kai sent an example update today, but he's not on call and folks won't have had time to read it 15:03:47 s/Bruce from Opera/Bruce: from Opera, worked on Device Independence 15:04:10 s/Topic: Task Forces Reports// 15:04:17 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:04:17 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-bpwg-minutes.html jo 15:04:37 eman has joined #bpwg 15:05:24 s/Topic: Updates/Topic: Accessibility Docs 15:05:58 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:05:58 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-bpwg-minutes.html jo 15:07:25 ok francois, I have had enough of that! 15:07:32 rrsagent, bye 15:07:32 I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-bpwg-actions.rdf : 15:07:32 ACTION: jo to chase WSC WG ref proposed change to mobileOK Basic [1] 15:07:32 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-bpwg-irc#T14-15-24 15:07:32 ACTION: chuter to initiate discussion on ISSUE-282 (Overlap) [2] 15:07:32 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/10/02-bpwg-irc#T14-30-09