IRC log of owl on 2008-10-01

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16:58:28 [cgolbrei]: zakim, ??P1 is cgolbrei
16:58:28 [Zakim]: +cgolbrei; got it
16:58:30 [ivan]: zakim, dial ivan-voip
16:58:30 [Zakim]: ok, ivan; the call is being made
16:58:31 [Zakim]: +Ivan
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16:59:02 [bmotik]: Zakim, ??P3 is me
16:59:02 [Zakim]: +bmotik; got it
16:59:05 [bmotik]: Zakim, mute me
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16:59:11 [ivan]: zakim, mute me
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16:59:19 [Zakim]: +Sandro
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17:00:01 [Zakim]: +Peter_Patel-Schneider
17:00:14 [pfps]: pfps has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.10.01/Agenda
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17:01:15 [baojie]: Zakim, aaaa is baojie
17:01:15 [Zakim]: +baojie; got it
17:02:18 [Zakim]: +??P13
17:02:41 [Carsten]: zakim, ??p13 is me
17:02:45 [Zakim]: +Carsten; got it
17:02:58 [Zakim]: +Alan_Ruttenberg
17:03:08 [alanr]: zakim, who is here?
17:03:08 [Zakim]: On the phone I see cgolbrei (muted), Ivan (muted), bmotik (muted), Sandro, Peter_Patel-Schneider, baojie, MarkusK_, Carsten, Alan_Ruttenberg
17:03:10 [Zakim]: On IRC I see uli, MarkusK_, pfps, RRSAgent, cgolbrei, Zakim, bmotik, ivan, baojie, Carsten, alanr, sandro, trackbot
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17:04:05 [Zhe]: zakim, mute me
17:04:05 [Zakim]: sorry, Zhe, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
17:04:31 [Carsten]: zakim, mute me
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17:04:56 [alanr]: zakim, who is here?
17:04:56 [Zakim]: On the phone I see cgolbrei (muted), Ivan (muted), bmotik (muted), Sandro, Peter_Patel-Schneider, baojie, MarkusK_, Carsten (muted), Alan_Ruttenberg
17:04:58 [Zakim]: On IRC I see Zhe1, bcuencagrau, uli, MarkusK_, pfps, RRSAgent, cgolbrei, Zakim, bmotik, ivan, baojie, Carsten, alanr, sandro, trackbot
17:05:18 [Zakim]: + +1.603.897.aacc
17:05:28 [Zhe1]: Zakim, +1.603.897.acc is me
17:05:28 [Zakim]: sorry, Zhe1, I do not recognize a party named '+1.603.897.acc'
17:05:36 [Zakim]: +??P17
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17:05:43 [Zhe1]: Zakim, +1.603.897.accc is me
17:05:43 [Zakim]: sorry, Zhe1, I do not recognize a party named '+1.603.897.accc'
17:05:44 [Zakim]: +??P19
17:05:44 [uli]: zakim, ??P17 is me
17:05:46 [Zakim]: +uli; got it
17:05:48 [cgolbrei]: thank you
17:05:54 [Zhe1]: zakim, +1.603.897.aabb is me
17:05:54 [Zakim]: sorry, Zhe1, I do not recognize a party named '+1.603.897.aabb'
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17:06:04 [cgolbrei]: Topic: Agenda amendments?
17:06:09 [Zhe1]: zakim, 1.603.897.aabb is me
17:06:09 [Zakim]: sorry, Zhe1, I do not recognize a party named '1.603.897.aabb'
17:06:21 [Zakim]: +[IBM]
17:06:34 [Achille]: Zakim, IBM is me
17:06:34 [Zakim]: +Achille; got it
17:06:36 [Zakim]: - +1.603.897.aacc
17:07:41 [sandro]: PROPOSED: Accept Previous Previous Minutes (17 September) http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-09-17
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17:07:52 [cgolbrei]: unmute me
17:08:05 [sandro]: Zakim, who is here?
17:08:05 [Zakim]: On the phone I see cgolbrei (muted), Ivan (muted), bmotik (muted), Sandro, Peter_Patel-Schneider, baojie, MarkusK_, Carsten (muted), Alan_Ruttenberg, uli, ??P19, Achille
17:08:08 [Zakim]: On IRC I see msmith, bcuencagrau, Achille, uli, MarkusK_, pfps, RRSAgent, cgolbrei, Zakim, bmotik, ivan, baojie, Carsten, alanr, sandro, trackbot
17:08:13 [Zakim]: +msmith
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17:08:47 [Zakim]: + +1.603.897.aadd
17:08:58 [Zhe]: zakim, + +1.603.897.aadd is me
17:08:58 [Zakim]: I don't understand '+ +1.603.897.aadd is me', Zhe
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17:09:06 [uli]: ivan, ??P19 could be bernardo?
17:09:10 [Zhe]: zakim, +1.603.897.aadd is me
17:09:10 [Zakim]: +Zhe; got it
17:09:16 [Zhe]: thank god!
17:09:21 [pfps]: the *current* version of the minutes of 17 Sept is OK (but in a slightly strange state)
17:09:25 [Zhe]: zakim, mute me
17:09:25 [Zakim]: Zhe should now be muted
17:09:34 [ivan]: zakim, ??P19 is bernardo
17:09:34 [Zakim]: +bernardo; got it
17:09:47 [cgolbrei]: Peter: minutes are incorrect
17:09:58 [msmith]: that could be my mistake
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17:10:29 [sandro]: like this: {{Issue|137}}
17:10:50 [cgolbrei]: sandro: formatting problem
17:11:13 [sandro]: RESOLVED: Accept Previous Previous Minutes (17 September) http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-09-17 -- with possible formatting fixes on ACTION/ISSUE links to be done.
17:11:24 [sandro]: PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes (24 September) http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-09-24
17:11:50 [pfps]: 24 Sept minutes are minimally acceptable
17:12:16 [Carsten]: zakim, unmute me
17:12:16 [Zakim]: Carsten should no longer be muted
17:13:09 [cgolbrei]: carsten : will do further polishing, propose to accept them
17:13:11 [Carsten]: zakim, mute me
17:13:11 [Zakim]: Carsten should now be muted
17:13:16 [pfps]: OK
17:13:18 [sandro]: RESOLVED: Accept Previous Minutes (24 September) http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2008-09-24 -- with possible future improvements
17:13:41 [cgolbrei]: Topic: Pending Review Actions
17:13:42 [sandro]: action-214?
17:13:42 [trackbot]: ACTION-214 -- Michael Smith to edit previous minutes to reflect michael sch's complaint -- due 2008-10-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:13:42 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/214
17:14:03 [Zakim]: +Evan_Wallace
17:14:15 [sandro]: action-214 closed
17:14:18 [trackbot]: ACTION-214 Edit previous minutes to reflect michael sch's complaint closed
17:14:27 [Zakim]: -MarkusK_
17:14:30 [sandro]: action-202?
17:14:30 [trackbot]: ACTION-202 -- Alan Ruttenberg to have another try at punning proposal in the light of discussion with peter and come up with test cases -- due 2008-09-09 -- OPEN
17:14:30 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/202
17:14:37 [sandro]: action-174?
17:14:37 [trackbot]: ACTION-174 -- Bijan Parsia to provide an rdf serialization for his rich annotation proposal -- due 2008-09-11 -- OPEN
17:14:37 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/174
17:14:45 [pfps]: status of overdue actions 189 and 207?
17:14:53 [sandro]: action-189?
17:14:53 [trackbot]: ACTION-189 -- Alan Ruttenberg to review RDF Mapping -- due 2008-09-08 -- OPEN
17:14:53 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/189
17:15:06 [sandro]: action-207?
17:15:07 [trackbot]: ACTION-207 -- Sandro Hawke to keep rdf:text publication on track -- due 2008-09-23 -- OPEN
17:15:07 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/207
17:15:46 [msmith]: I had to change my status, it is now unlike I will be at f2f4
17:15:51 [bmotik]: I haven't registered yet because I don't know whehter my visa status in UK will have been resolved by then
17:15:51 [cgolbrei]: Topic: Fourth Face-to-Face (F2F) Meeting, have to register
17:16:00 [sandro]: Topic: Reviewing and Publishing
17:17:27 [bmotik]: Zakim, unmute me
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17:17:57 [cgolbrei]: bmotik: addressed comments from Ian, Jeff, Ivan and sent report
17:18:12 [ivan]: I am fine
17:18:26 [cgolbrei]: ... Peter found the comments are found, so nothing more TBD
17:18:31 [bmotik]: Zakim, mute me
17:18:31 [Zakim]: bmotik should now be muted
17:18:33 [pfps]: s/found/fine/
17:18:35 [cgolbrei]: s/found/fine
17:19:33 [alanr]: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Reviewing
17:19:51 [ivan]: q+
17:20:01 [alanr]: ack ivan
17:20:03 [ivan]: ack iva
17:20:26 [cgolbrei]: ivan:RDF is not in the list
17:20:27 [bmotik]: q+
17:20:30 [bmotik]: Zakim, unmute me
17:20:30 [Zakim]: bmotik should no longer be muted
17:20:49 [alanr]: ack bmotik
17:21:16 [pfps]: which document is this about?
17:21:21 [ivan]: rdf:text
17:21:33 [pfps]: in our syntax document?
17:21:44 [cgolbrei]: bmotik: facets included but will take a quicl look for built-in functions
17:22:19 [bmotik]: q+
17:22:36 [bmotik]: q-
17:23:26 [bmotik]: Zakim, mute me
17:23:26 [Zakim]: bmotik should now be muted
17:23:27 [baojie]: I thought Sandro made a snap shot of the wiki document
17:23:34 [pfps]: Boris's plan sounds perfect
17:23:57 [bmotik]: Syntax
17:24:01 [bmotik]: RDF Semantic
17:24:07 [bmotik]: Zakim, unmute me
17:24:07 [Zakim]: bmotik should no longer be muted
17:26:12 [cgolbrei]: Action: Jie get to the RIF to ensure that RDF changes are done properly
17:26:12 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-217 - Get to the RIF to ensure that RDF changes are done properly [on Jie Bao - due 2008-10-08].
17:26:16 [alanr]: process for rdf:text : have RIF make last changes. Get 3 reviewers/reviews. Vote to publish. RIF does same.
17:26:47 [sandro]: (On the RIF side, there's RIF action 603: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/actions/603 )
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17:27:20 [alanr]: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/images/8/8b/Owl2-refcard_2008-10-01.pdf
17:27:55 [bmotik]: Zakim, mute me
17:27:55 [Zakim]: bmotik should now be muted
17:27:57 [pfps]: i'll review the QRG
17:27:57 [cgolbrei]: Topic: Quick Reference Guide
17:28:46 [ivan]: i can review it, but I will be out of circulation most of next week
17:28:52 [pfps]: Action: pfps review QRG
17:28:52 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-218 - Review QRG [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2008-10-08].
17:29:09 [ivan]: action: ivan to review QRG
17:29:09 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-219 - Review QRG [on Ivan Herman - due 2008-10-08].
17:29:17 [uli]: zakim, unmute me
17:29:17 [Zakim]: uli was not muted, uli
17:29:45 [Achille]: I can do it, but for November 15
17:30:49 [cgolbrei]: Uli: will also review QRG
17:30:56 [Zakim]: +??P12
17:31:34 [cgolbrei]: question about the various syntaxes
17:31:59 [ivan]: October 15 should be o.k. with me, too
17:32:07 [cgolbrei]: ... 3 reviewers for november 15
17:32:16 [uli]: October 30?!
17:32:24 [cgolbrei]: s/november/october !
17:32:38 [uli]: zakim, mute me
17:32:38 [Zakim]: uli should now be muted
17:33:20 [sandro]: ACTION: Uli review the RefCard by end of October
17:33:20 [ivan]: ivan
17:33:20 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-220 - Review the RefCard by end of October [on Uli Sattler - due 2008-10-08].
17:33:31 [pfps]: the actions have already been made
17:33:48 [sandro]: action-220 due 2008-10-31
17:33:48 [trackbot]: ACTION-220 Review the RefCard by end of October due date now 2008-10-31
17:34:02 [cgolbrei]: Topic: Requirements
17:34:09 [sandro]: action: ivan review RefCard - due 2008-10-31
17:34:09 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-221 - review RefCard [on Ivan Herman - due 2008-10-31].
17:34:19 [sandro]: pfps, were you the third reviewer?
17:34:54 [pfps]: yes, I'm the third (man), wait for me :-)
17:35:19 [sandro]: action: pfps to review RefCard - due 2008-10-31
17:35:19 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-222 - review RefCard [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2008-10-31].
17:36:26 [alanr]: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/RequirementsDraft
17:37:44 [ivan]: I will close the first one which has wrong date anyway
17:39:38 [Zhe]: zakim, unmute me
17:39:38 [Zakim]: Zhe should no longer be muted
17:40:45 [bmotik]: q+
17:41:08 [bmotik]: Zakim, unmute me
17:41:08 [Zakim]: bmotik should no longer be muted
17:41:15 [alanr]: ack bmotik
17:41:18 [Achille]: q+
17:41:19 [Zhe]: zakim, mute me
17:41:19 [Zakim]: Zhe should now be muted
17:43:28 [ewallace]: What Alan said was my intent.
17:44:01 [Carsten]: Have to leave, sorry. Bye everybody.
17:44:25 [Zakim]: -Carsten
17:44:34 [alanr]: ack achille
17:44:55 [bmotik]: ACTION: bmotik2 to Fill in some TBDs (keys and declarations) in the Requirements docuement
17:44:55 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-223 - Fill in some TBDs (keys and declarations) in the Requirements docuement [on Boris Motik - due 2008-10-08].
17:45:25 [sandro]: Achille, are you doing the action or am I?
17:46:17 [cgolbrei]: Action: Zhe, Achille, Boris to make it before F2F
17:46:17 [trackbot]: Sorry, couldn't find user - Zhe,
17:46:19 [Achille]: Sandro, please do it - I've never done it before it will probably take me more time than you.
17:46:36 [Zhe]: :)
17:47:16 [cgolbrei]: Action Zhe to fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F
17:47:16 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-224 - Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F [on Zhe Wu - due 2008-10-08].
17:47:39 [Zhe]: I will change the date
17:47:44 [cgolbrei]: Action Boris Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F [on Zhe Wu - due 2008-10-08
17:47:44 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-225 - Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F [on Zhe Wu [on Boris Motik - due 2008-10-08].
17:48:11 [sandro]: 225 duplicated 223. I'll close 225
17:48:15 [sandro]: action-225 closed
17:48:15 [trackbot]: ACTION-225 Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F [on Zhe Wu closed
17:48:17 [cgolbrei]: Action Achille Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F
17:48:17 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-226 - Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F [on Achille Fokoue - due 2008-10-08].
17:48:24 [cgolbrei]: Topic: Metamodel
17:48:33 [pfps]: I'm confused, isn't the metamodel an issue?
17:49:48 [sandro]: action-224 due 2008-10-20
17:49:48 [trackbot]: ACTION-224 Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F due date now 2008-10-20
17:49:53 [sandro]: action-226 due 2008-10-20
17:49:53 [trackbot]: ACTION-226 Fill TBD implementation perspective in the Req before F2F due date now 2008-10-20
17:51:11 [alanr]: action: alanr to ask elisa, conrad if they will review metamodel
17:51:11 [trackbot]: Sorry, couldn't find user - alanr
17:51:15 [ewallace]: Alan was just speaking
17:51:16 [uli]: Alan was "me"
17:51:40 [cgolbrei]: Action : alanr an email to Elisa and other interesyed person about metamodel
17:51:40 [trackbot]: Sorry, couldn't find user - alanr
17:51:52 [sandro]: action: alan to email to Elisa and other interesyed person about metamodel
17:51:52 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-227 - Email to Elisa and other interesyed person about metamodel [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2008-10-08].
17:52:12 [alanr]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Sep/0044.html
17:52:42 [cgolbrei]: s/interesyed / interested/
17:54:30 [cgolbrei]: Peter: issues about SKOS Reference
17:54:57 [alanr]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Sep/att-0044/review-schneid-skos-reference-lc.pdf
17:55:41 [alanr]: comments are embedded in pdf, and peter can't see what the comments are.
17:55:45 [ivan]: q+
17:56:03 [alanr]: ack ivan
17:57:45 [cgolbrei]: comments on the pdf have also been made accessible by email
17:57:55 [ivan]: q+
17:58:02 [bmotik]: Zakim, mute me
17:58:02 [Zakim]: bmotik should now be muted
17:58:12 [ivan]: first mail on Michael's review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Sep/0070.html
17:58:13 [alanr]: ack ivan
17:58:17 [uli]: it would be nice
18:00:00 [uli]: q+
18:00:21 [uli]: zakim, unmute me
18:00:21 [Zakim]: uli should no longer be muted
18:00:21 [alanr]: uli
18:01:01 [pfps]: 3 October!
18:01:07 [cgolbrei]: uli: discussed with Sean to know what can be done
18:01:33 [pfps]: I believe that it may be possible to have an informative OWL 2 version of SKOS
18:01:39 [sandro]: q+
18:01:46 [pfps]: q+
18:01:46 [alanr]: ack uli
18:02:03 [alanr]: ack sandro
18:02:13 [uli]: zakim, mute me
18:02:13 [Zakim]: uli should now be muted
18:02:40 [pfps]: can you say LPU?
18:03:05 [alanr]: ack pfps
18:03:09 [alanr]: q+ alanr
18:04:02 [cgolbrei]: pfps: nothing says that the XML document is normative
18:05:12 [alanr]: ack alanr
18:06:24 [pfps]: q+ to ask for an example of moving to OWL 2 will help junkiness
18:06:32 [alanr]: ack pfps
18:06:32 [Zakim]: pfps, you wanted to ask for an example of moving to OWL 2 will help junkiness
18:07:22 [ivan]: q+
18:08:42 [pfps]: q+ to ask about "one preferential label per language"
18:08:50 [alanr]: ack pfps
18:08:50 [Zakim]: pfps, you wanted to ask about "one preferential label per language"
18:08:56 [ivan]: ack ivan
18:09:33 [cgolbrei]: ivan : one thing to say them that somethings can be done better by OWL2
18:09:48 [alanr]: I watch the list and participated in some of the discussions early on. I think there would be real benefit
18:09:55 [alanr]: ack pfps
18:12:52 [cgolbrei]: ask SKOS whether they would like to have an informative version of SKOS ?
18:13:11 [pfps]: I think that a WG note with this sole comment would be good idea
18:13:19 [alanr]: 1) Send Peters review as WG review as is
18:13:22 [pfps]: s/.../informative OWL 2 version of SKOS/
18:13:33 [alanr]: 2) Have Peter send review as personal
18:13:59 [alanr]: 3) Add note asking for (in some emphatic way) an informative OWL 2 rendering of SKOS as part of their output, with our help
18:14:13 [alanr]: 0) don't care
18:14:23 [pfps]: 2+3
18:14:31 [msmith]: +3
18:14:35 [uli]: 2+3
18:14:43 [MarkusK_]: +3
18:14:44 [alanr]: +3
18:14:45 [ivan]: +3
18:14:50 [Zhe]: +3
18:14:52 [ewallace]: 3
18:14:55 [Achille]: 3
18:15:00 [cgolbrei]: 1 or 2 + 3
18:15:12 [sandro]: 3
18:15:48 [pfps]: action pfps revise note to SKOS as WG comment
18:15:48 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-228 - Revise note to SKOS as WG comment [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2008-10-08].
18:19:20 [cgolbrei]: ivan : SKOS will probably answer go ahead but dont' see the group will do the OWL 2 rendering of SKOS
18:19:51 [pfps]: q+
18:19:53 [msmith]: q+
18:19:55 [alanr]: ack pfps
18:20:27 [msmith]: q-
18:20:50 [msmith]: q+
18:20:56 [sandro]: Pfps: essentially we're using Schema's Equality instead of Identity, inside OWL.
18:21:18 [alanr]: ack msmith
18:21:26 [sandro]: pfps: We're using your equality as Real Equality, instead of as some kind of equivalence class -- and they seem to be okay with that.
18:21:55 [alanr]: q+ alanr
18:21:58 [sandro]: mike: This came up wrt float and decimal being disjoint, and they said No, Clear We Want Them To Be The Same Number. That might be different here.
18:22:07 [alanr]: ack alanr
18:22:08 [bmotik]: q+
18:22:19 [sandro]: pfps: i think Mike's right, and I am too. They seem to be receptive to even more conflation.
18:22:36 [bmotik]: Zakim, unmute me
18:22:36 [Zakim]: bmotik should no longer be muted
18:23:57 [sandro]: Boris: Equality in our case is used only for facets -- everything else in OWL is based on Identity. It's a fine line whether this is similar to what we had with numerics. From a logic point of view it's obvious to treat 1^^int as the same as 1^^float -- the distinction XSD had for this was pragmatic, but odd for logic, where you don't have casting.
18:24:28 [sandro]: Boris: So I think first of all, our decision wrt numerics was what people expected. We can use the same arguments for dateTime, but I think we're going further.
18:25:02 [pfps]: XML Schema is adding a sub-type of xsd:dateTime with required timezon
18:25:03 [Zakim]: -bernardo
18:25:22 [sandro]: Boris: So we should use a different namespace. That enables folks to use both.
18:25:44 [msmith]: +1
18:25:57 [sandro]: pfps: Let's ask XSD if they think this abuse is kosher.
18:26:03 [msmith]: ask them about ignoring identity/equality distinction
18:26:35 [sandro]: pfps: They're going to add a facet and make a subtype (like we want) which requires timezeone.
18:27:10 [sandro]: pfps: The quesiton (the "abuse") is whether we can use their notion of equality as our notion of identity. I'm prepared to write to them and tell them exactly what we plan to do.
18:27:47 [sandro]: pfps: I think we owe it to them to tell them exactly what we plan to do. I can couch it as "if you do this, we'll do such-and-such".
18:27:51 [sandro]: ivan: sounds good to me
18:27:54 [sandro]: alan: me too
18:28:08 [sandro]: boris: Sure, sounds reasonable to me.
18:28:30 [sandro]: boris: If they don't see a problem, maybe they can put a note explaining this into their document, saying folks are free to do this.
18:28:43 [sandro]: alan: Peter, please go ahead and do that.
18:28:50 [sandro]: Peter: I'll do it!
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18:29:11 [ivan]: bye everyone
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