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11:49:38 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
11:49:38 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_MFWG()8:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
11:49:39 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
11:49:39 <trackbot> Date: 01 October 2008
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11:56:45 <jackjansen> hi
11:57:03 <raphael> zakim, which teleconference?
11:57:03 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, raphael.
11:57:08 <Zakim> IA_MFWG()8:00AM has now started
11:57:15 <Zakim> +??P0
11:57:58 <Zakim> +[CWI]
11:58:06 <raphael> zakim, [CWI] is raphael
11:58:06 <Zakim> +raphael; got it
11:58:24 <raphael> zakim, ??P0 is davy
11:58:26 <Zakim> +davy; got it
11:58:41 <raphael> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2008Oct/0000.html
11:58:50 <raphael> Chair: Raphael
11:59:00 <raphael> Scribe: Jack
11:59:11 <raphael> Scribenick: jackjansen
11:59:35 <raphael> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:59:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/01-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
11:59:46 <Zakim> +??P2
11:59:55 <raphael> rrsagent, make logs public
12:00:02 <mhausenblas> Zakim, ??P2 is me
12:00:02 <Zakim> +mhausenblas; got it
12:01:08 <Zakim> +jackjansen
12:01:41 <Zakim> +Yves
12:01:59 <raphael> Topic: 1. ADMIN
12:02:45 <jackjansen> scribenick: jackjansen
12:03:48 <raphael> Regrets: Vassilis, Erik
12:04:07 <Zakim> +nessy
12:04:14 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
12:04:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see davy, raphael, mhausenblas, jackjansen, Yves, nessy
12:04:15 <raphael> Present: Davy, Jack, Michael, Raphael, Yves, Silvia
12:04:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see raphael, jackjansen, davy, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas, nessy, Yves, trackbot
12:05:15 <jackjansen> raphael: opens meeting and greets everyone.
12:05:26 <jackjansen> ... Comments on the minutes?
12:05:34 <nessy> +1
12:05:38 <mhausenblas> +1
12:05:41 <jackjansen> all: accept
12:06:49 <jackjansen> raphael: will create wiki page capturing current email discussion
12:07:05 <jackjansen> raphael: What's the currrent status of use cases?
12:07:20 <jackjansen> raphael: start with media annotation. Sylvia?
12:07:24 <raphael> Topic: 2. Use Case and Requirements
12:07:41 <jackjansen> Sylvia: not much progress, busy.
12:08:19 <jackjansen> ... Did look at accessibility issues. Results into wiki TBD.
12:08:57 <nessy> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Video_a11y_requirements
12:09:06 <jackjansen> ... For the moment, can be seen at another wiki, url here in the chat.
12:09:08 <mhausenblas> Michael: Silvia, refer to -> http://blog.gingertech.net/2008/09/27/demo-of-new-html5-features/  Demo of new HTML5 features
12:10:40 <jackjansen> raphael: next use cae, media delivery. Davey?
12:11:13 <jackjansen> Davey: not much yet, will do soon.
12:11:38 <raphael> s/cae/case
12:12:09 <jackjansen> raphael: only server side issue?
12:12:27 <jackjansen> Sylvia: no, also protocol (in addtion to client and server)
12:13:43 <jackjansen> michael: is client/server important?
12:13:56 <jackjansen> q+
12:14:16 <raphael> zakim, ack jackjansen
12:14:16 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
12:14:22 <Yves> you also have to check if the client is responsible for crafting a specific request, and not just a regular HTTP request with a carefully crafted URI for the server
12:14:43 <Yves> (ie: delegate processing on the two sides, or only server-side)
12:14:44 <raphael> Jack: distinguish between functionalities and implementations
12:16:14 <raphael> Silvia: HTTP is ok as protocol ... question is rather working on the headers
12:16:15 <jackjansen> michael: does this mean we're doing a protocol or not?
12:16:27 <jackjansen> Silvia: open issue.
12:17:05 <jackjansen> s/michael/Yves
12:17:42 <jackjansen> Yves: need to involve TAG in the process early.
12:18:19 <jackjansen> raphael: will take care of it.
12:18:34 <mhausenblas> s/Yves/Michael
12:18:48 <jackjansen> raphael: next use case, media linking.
12:19:00 <mhausenblas> http://community.linkeddata.org/MediaWiki/index.php?InterlinkingMultimedia
12:19:42 <jackjansen> Michael: also fine-grained linking, see posted url.
12:21:24 <Yves> I wonder, once we have a URI to define a media fragment, what is the difference bewteen a link and a bookmark (which is a link from a page, or an internal db)
12:22:00 <jackjansen> Michael: it's not only about humans, but also agents (?). Bookmarks for humans, links for agents.
12:22:39 <jackjansen> q+
12:23:00 <jackjansen> raphael: shall we separate the two use cases, then?
12:23:05 <jackjansen> Michael: ok.
12:23:25 <jackjansen> Sylvia: fits to media playlist UC.
12:24:19 <jackjansen> raphael: merge the two?
12:24:28 <jackjansen> Sylivia: dunno.
12:25:43 <jackjansen> jackjansen: aren't these mashups?
12:26:08 <raphael> Yves: not merging, but put under the same umbrela Media Linking and Media Playlist
12:26:16 <jackjansen> Sylvia: playlists are simpler than mashups.
12:27:22 <jackjansen> Michael: ca people think about whether UCs are for humans or computerrs, please?
12:27:57 <jackjansen> raphael: who takes responsibility for search UC and browse UC?
12:28:15 <jackjansen> Sylvia: maybe later, not now.
12:29:09 <jackjansen> Raphael: on to photobook UC. Erik isn't here, Davy?
12:29:34 <jackjansen> Davy: no real news yet.
12:30:04 <jackjansen> raphael: map and multires UCs.
12:30:27 <jackjansen> ... Investigating how this works in current technology, expect results next teleconf.
12:31:00 <jackjansen> raphael: audio UCs, no volunteers yet.
12:31:19 <jackjansen> ... but karaoka is like annotation.
12:31:31 <jackjansen> raphael: video UCs.
12:32:05 <jackjansen> Sylvia: not looked into browser UC yet.
12:32:31 <raphael> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/State_of_the_Art
12:33:21 <jackjansen> raphael: next agenda point, state of the art.
12:33:48 <jackjansen> Yves: how should we structure this?
12:34:23 <jackjansen> raphael: don't know yet.
12:34:51 <jackjansen> Yves: common way to describe things will make life easier in future.
12:35:47 <raphael> s/Yves: common/Michael: common
12:38:17 <jackjansen> jackjansen: how about initially structuring this from a source-technology point of view? With one person per technology?
12:38:22 <mhausenblas> RRSagent, draft minutes
12:38:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/01-mediafrag-minutes.html mhausenblas
12:38:24 <jackjansen> raphael: ok.
12:38:39 <jackjansen> ... Jack can do SMIL, Sylvia CMML.
12:39:02 <jackjansen> Sylvia: also worked on MPEG21.
12:39:10 <jackjansen> Davy: can also look at mpeg21.
12:39:19 <jackjansen> raphael: I can look at SVG.
12:39:51 <mhausenblas> Michael: re HTTP and URI I can take care
12:40:03 <Yves> and I will help as well
12:40:11 <jackjansen> Sylvia: have http ideas as well.
12:40:21 <jackjansen> Yves: me too.
12:40:57 <jackjansen> Sylvia: let's try and have some data by f2f.
12:41:04 <jackjansen> rapheal: good idea.
12:41:11 <jackjansen> s/rapheal/raphael
12:42:07 <jackjansen> Raphael: I will look at key issues, create page (?)
12:42:13 <jackjansen> Rapheal: AOB?
12:42:13 <nessy> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Glossary
12:43:05 <jackjansen> Sylvia: Will create page (?) about what a video resource is.
12:43:25 <nessy> already created that in the glossary
12:43:44 <jackjansen> Yves(?): like the drawing.
12:44:03 <mhausenblas> s/Yves(?)/Michael
12:44:10 <Yves> Yves also likes the drawing :)
12:44:36 <jackjansen> s/Will create page (?)/have created page
12:44:58 <jackjansen> raphael: closing meeting. Next time will go into UCs deeper.
12:45:09 <mhausenblas> [adjourned]
12:45:15 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
12:45:17 <raphael> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:45:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/01-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
12:45:19 <Zakim> -nessy
12:45:37 <Zakim> -davy
12:48:05 <Zakim> -jackjansen
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12:48:07 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were raphael, davy, mhausenblas, jackjansen, Yves, nessy
12:48:20 <RRSAgent> I see no action items