IRC log of er on 2008-10-01

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zakim, this will be ert

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ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes

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meeting: ERT WG

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chair: Shadi

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Oct/0001.html

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agenda+ EARL 1.0 Guide

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agenda+ Pointer Methods in RDF

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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started

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+??P7

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+Shadi

12:31:00 [JohannesK]

Zakim, P7 is JohannesK

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sorry, JohannesK, I do not recognize a party named 'P7'

12:31:10 [JohannesK]

Zakim, ??P7 is JohannesK

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+JohannesK; got it

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+Carlos_Iglesias

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+CarlosV

12:35:52 [shadi]

regrets: Mike

12:36:04 [velasco]

zakim, mute me

12:36:05 [Zakim]

sorry, velasco, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

12:36:20 [JohannesK]

scribe: Johannes

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scribenick: JohannesK

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zakim, mute CarlosV

12:38:00 [shadi]

agenda?

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agenda+ Update on Discussion with SemWeb

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zakim, take up agendum 3

12:38:42 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "Update on Discussion with SemWeb" taken up [from shadi]

12:40:06 [JohannesK]

saz: could not discuss our WDs in SemWeb CG, meeting was cancelled; next meeting Friday

12:41:27 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 1

12:41:27 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "EARL 1.0 Guide" taken up [from shadi]

12:41:59 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Guide-20070802

12:43:26 [JohannesK]

CV: want to prepare a new draft based on changes in Content-in-RDF and HTTP-in-RDF in 2 weeks time

12:44:46 [JohannesK]

CV: not too many changes; need to update examples with pointers

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CV: most chages are in section 4.6 and 5

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CI: we should discuss how EARL, HTTP-in-RDF and Content-in-RDF fit together at the F2F

12:48:30 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/earl.php

12:49:32 [CarlosV]

zakim mute me

12:49:36 [JohannesK]

CV: more chnages in introduction (section 1), and structure (section 3)

12:49:52 [JohannesK]

s/chnages/changes/

12:49:52 [CarlosV]

zakim, mute me

12:50:20 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Guide-20070802#Assertion

12:50:49 [JohannesK]

saz: what's the purpose for section 4? more background and examples than in the schema document

12:53:36 [JohannesK]

saz: guide must not contain repetitions of material in the schema document

12:54:48 [JohannesK]

JK: normative things should be in the schema, not in the guide

12:56:43 [JohannesK]

saz: purpose of guide: how do the four documents (EARL schema, pointers, http, content) work together; referencing normative parts of the four docs

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ci: guide should be low-level and hide complexity like RDF

13:01:16 [JohannesK]

ci: pick an example use case and use this example throughout the guide

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saz: guide should be education-oriented

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ci: it should be technology-independent

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saz: but it should explain how RDF is used

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ACTION cvelasco to provide an outline for the EARL guide with one/two sentences for each section

13:06:36 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-13 - Provide an outline for the EARL guide with one/two sentences for each section [on Carlos A. Velasco - due 2008-10-08].

13:07:25 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 2

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agendum 2. "Pointer Methods in RDF" taken up [from shadi]

13:07:58 [shadi]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Sep/0024

13:08:30 [JohannesK]

saz: we discussed the proposed conventions

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ci: want to create a new draft with editorial changes

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ci: in parallel work on conventions; this is more work

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ci: grammar parsers work differently to DOM-based tools; so pointer guidance rules could be difficult to accomodate both

13:19:58 [JohannesK]

saz: some scenarios for pointer usages should be added

13:22:48 [JohannesK]

saz: have an updated approach for conventions next week, discuss then and during F2F; then publish a draft shortly after F2F

13:25:27 [JohannesK]

ACTION ciglesias to create an updated approach for pointer conventions/usage guidance

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Sorry, couldn't find user - ciglesias

13:25:47 [JohannesK]

ACTION ciglesia to create an updated approach for pointer conventions/usage guidance

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Created ACTION-14 - Create an updated approach for pointer conventions/usage guidance [on Carlos Iglesias - due 2008-10-08].

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-Shadi

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-Carlos_Iglesias

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-JohannesK

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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended

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Attendees were Shadi, JohannesK, Carlos_Iglesias, CarlosV

13:28:41 [shadi]

rrsagent, make logs world

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/01-er-minutes.html shadi

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rrsagent, make logs world

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zakim, bye

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rrsagent, ybe

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I'm logging. I don't understand 'ybe', shadi. Try /msg RRSAgent help

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rrsagent, bye

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