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12:25:43 <shadi> zakim, this will be ert
12:25:43 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
12:25:50 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
12:25:56 <shadi> chair: Shadi
12:26:31 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Oct/0001.html
12:26:49 <shadi> agenda+  EARL 1.0 Guide
12:27:03 <shadi> agenda+ Pointer Methods in RDF
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12:30:31 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
12:30:38 <Zakim> +??P7
12:30:54 <Zakim> +Shadi
12:31:00 <JohannesK> Zakim, P7 is JohannesK
12:31:00 <Zakim> sorry, JohannesK, I do not recognize a party named 'P7'
12:31:10 <JohannesK> Zakim, ??P7 is JohannesK
12:31:10 <Zakim> +JohannesK; got it
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12:33:04 <Zakim> +Carlos_Iglesias
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12:35:52 <shadi> regrets: Mike
12:36:04 <velasco> zakim, mute me
12:36:05 <Zakim> sorry, velasco, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
12:36:20 <JohannesK> scribe: Johannes
12:36:27 <JohannesK> scribenick: JohannesK
12:36:32 <velasco> zakim, mute CarlosV
12:38:00 <shadi> agenda?
12:38:32 <shadi> agenda+ Update on Discussion with SemWeb
12:38:42 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 3
12:38:42 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Update on Discussion with SemWeb" taken up [from shadi]
12:40:06 <JohannesK> saz: could not discuss our WDs in SemWeb CG, meeting was cancelled; next meeting Friday
12:41:27 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
12:41:27 <Zakim> agendum 1. "EARL 1.0 Guide" taken up [from shadi]
12:41:59 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Guide-20070802
12:43:26 <JohannesK> CV: want to prepare a new draft based on changes in Content-in-RDF and HTTP-in-RDF in 2 weeks time
12:44:46 <JohannesK> CV: not too many changes; need to update examples with pointers
12:45:53 <JohannesK> CV: most chages are in section 4.6 and 5
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12:47:25 <JohannesK> CI: we should discuss how EARL, HTTP-in-RDF and Content-in-RDF fit together at the F2F
12:48:30 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/earl.php
12:49:32 <CarlosV> zakim mute me
12:49:36 <JohannesK> CV: more chnages in introduction (section 1), and structure (section 3)
12:49:52 <JohannesK> s/chnages/changes/
12:49:52 <CarlosV> zakim, mute me
12:50:20 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Guide-20070802#Assertion
12:50:49 <JohannesK> saz: what's the purpose for section 4? more background and examples than in the schema document
12:53:36 <JohannesK> saz: guide must not contain repetitions of material in the schema document
12:54:48 <JohannesK> JK: normative things should be in the schema, not in the guide
12:56:43 <JohannesK> saz: purpose of guide: how do the four documents (EARL schema, pointers, http, content) work together; referencing normative parts of the four docs
13:00:44 <JohannesK> ci: guide should be low-level and hide complexity like RDF
13:01:16 <JohannesK> ci: pick an example use case and use this example throughout the guide
13:02:02 <JohannesK> saz: guide should be education-oriented
13:03:48 <JohannesK> ci: it should be technology-independent
13:04:43 <JohannesK> saz: but it should explain how RDF is used
13:06:36 <JohannesK> ACTION cvelasco to provide an outline for the EARL guide with one/two sentences for each section
13:06:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-13 - Provide an outline for the EARL guide with one/two sentences for each section [on Carlos A. Velasco - due 2008-10-08].
13:07:25 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
13:07:25 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Pointer Methods in RDF" taken up [from shadi]
13:07:58 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Sep/0024
13:08:30 <JohannesK> saz: we discussed the proposed conventions
13:09:59 <JohannesK> ci: want to create a new draft with editorial changes
13:10:28 <JohannesK> ci: in parallel work on conventions; this is more work
13:13:54 <JohannesK> ci: grammar parsers work differently to DOM-based tools; so pointer guidance rules could be difficult to accomodate both
13:19:58 <JohannesK> saz: some scenarios for pointer usages should be added
13:22:48 <JohannesK> saz: have an updated approach for conventions next week, discuss then and during F2F; then publish a draft shortly after F2F
13:25:27 <JohannesK> ACTION ciglesias to create an updated approach for pointer conventions/usage guidance
13:25:27 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - ciglesias
13:25:47 <JohannesK> ACTION ciglesia to create an updated approach for pointer conventions/usage guidance
13:25:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-14 - Create an updated approach for pointer conventions/usage guidance [on Carlos Iglesias - due 2008-10-08].
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13:26:10 <Zakim> -Shadi
13:26:13 <Zakim> -Carlos_Iglesias
13:26:14 <Zakim> -JohannesK
13:26:16 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
13:26:17 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, JohannesK, Carlos_Iglesias, CarlosV
13:28:41 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
13:28:46 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
13:28:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/01-er-minutes.html shadi
13:28:47 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
13:28:54 <shadi> zakim, bye
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13:28:58 <shadi> rrsagent, ybe
13:28:58 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'ybe', shadi.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
13:29:01 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
13:29:01 <RRSAgent> I see no action items