IRC log of egov on 2008-09-26

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Zakim, this will be EGOV
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Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
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Date: 26 September 2008
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chair: kevin, john
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zakim, call josema-office
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ok, josema; the call is being made
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zakim, drop josema
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Josema is being disconnected
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zakim, call josema-office
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ok, josema; the call is being made
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zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see ??P2
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, johnlsheridan, trackbot
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zakin, ??P2 is johnlsheridan
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zakim, ??P2 is johnlsheridan
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+johnlsheridan; got it
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zakim, call josema-mobile
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ok, josema; the call is being made
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zakim, drop josema
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Josema is being disconnected
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+ +34.64.736.aaaa
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+ +1.202.626.aabb
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zakim, aaaa is josema
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+josema; got it
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zakim, aabb is kevin
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+kevin; got it
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josema: welcome ideas on how to move forward
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john: I have some ideas that can share
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...we need to focus on basic things
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[talk about US/UK approaches]
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[practicalities, is WebArch really understood?]
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[key: how we can support the people involved in those projects to understand the basics]
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[maybe we take some from granted, but it should be understandable for them]
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[need to improve the way we communicate wrt standards]
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[from W3C stack of technologies to useful government suite of W3c standards]
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[risk of some people thinking this too easy, but a long standing challenge]
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+ +34.63.557.aacc
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zakim, drop aacc
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+34.63.557.aacc is being disconnected
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- +34.63.557.aacc
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[we need to contextualize]
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[we could do start it ourselves, but how to engage the Group?]
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[but it's very inclusive activity, everybody can contribute]
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+ +34.63.557.aadd
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zakim, aadd is oscar
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+oscar; got it
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[use cases: we are not expecting people to get to any technical detail]
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[we were expecting simple things, overview]
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[risk of people going into very technical detail]
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[agreement on that we need to go ahead with this]
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[basic use cases + good practice on how to use the basics]
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[example topic: content syndication]
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john: working on something along these lines
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...will be able to share in a while
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john: we should start with very simple diagrams
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...very simple text
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...two step process: very easy first, and then guidance on
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...W3C standards use
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josema: where to start? compilation of use cases?
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john: could be ok as start but from elementary level
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...not deeply technical stuff
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[another key issue: provenance and authoritative source of information]
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[...and need to achieve trust]
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RRSAgent, list attendants
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'list attendants', josema. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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zakim, list attendants
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I don't understand 'list attendants', josema
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[another topic: what information should be available for free]
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s/free/ free or paid for
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[scope is getting huge again though]
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kevin: pressure to agencies to make their data openly available
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...but big challenge: how they can control is used according to the "terms of service"
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john: and you enter the licensing issues world...
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[need a use case on trust/authority,/provenance]
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zakim, mute oscar
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oscar should now be muted
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josema: regular chairs call?
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kevin: ok
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oscar: ok
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john: ok, but better one hour later
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resolved: group call to stays as it is for now
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zakim, unmute oscar
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oscar should no longer be muted
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RESOLVED: chairs call at 13:00 UTC
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zakim, mute oscar
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oscar should now be muted
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josema: how to proceed?
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kevin: need to discuss by email
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...john and I, then present to the Group
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ACTION kevin, john to prepare agenda for next Group call
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Sorry, couldn't find user - kevin,
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zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see johnlsheridan, josema, kevin, oscar (muted)
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, johnlsheridan, trackbot
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zakim, unmute oscar
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oscar should no longer be muted
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zakim, drop oscar
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oscar is being disconnected
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leaving. As of this point the attendees were Josema, johnlsheridan, +34.64.736.aaaa, +1.202.626.aabb, kevin, +34.63.557.aacc, +34.63.557.aadd, oscar
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zakim, who's here?
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RRSAgent, list attendees
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'list attendees', josema. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate josema
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RRSAgent, list attendees
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'list attendees', josema. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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RRSAgent, stop