IRC log of bpwg on 2008-09-25

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Zakim, this will be BPWG

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Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 25 September 2008

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+Francois

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+ +1.585.278.aaaa

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Chair: DKA

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Sep/0084.html

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zakim, aaaa is jeffs

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+jeffs; got it

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zakim, unmute me

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jeffs was not muted, jeffs

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zakim, mute me

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jeffs should now be muted

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+[CTIC]

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agenda+ MobileOK Basic Tests

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agenda+ F2F notes if any

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Regrets: Kai, SeanP, Bruce, David_Storey, Jo, hgerlach, rob, Sangwhan, Manrique, dom, yeliz, adam

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agenda+ BP2 Issues (277-280)

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Regrets+ Bryan

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agenda+ comments on widgets 1.0 Requirements

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agenda?

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+??P22

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zakim, who is here?

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On the phone I see DKA, Francois, jeffs (muted), [CTIC], ??P22

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On IRC I see abel_, Sangwhan_Moon, jeffs, Zakim, RRSAgent, jo, achuter, DKA, francois, matt, dom, trackbot

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zakim, ??P22 is me

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+achuter; got it

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+??P24

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agenda+ alan's comments on bp2

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agenda+ alan's suggest text (ACTION-790)

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agenda?

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zakim, who is here?

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On the phone I see DKA, Francois, jeffs (muted), [CTIC], achuter, ??P24

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[CTIC] has abel, miguel

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On IRC I see abel_, Sangwhan_Moon, jeffs, Zakim, RRSAgent, jo, achuter, DKA, francois, matt, dom, trackbot

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Scribe: francois

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ScribeNick: francois

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Zakim, pick up next agendum

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I don't understand 'pick up next agendum', francois

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zakim, next agendum

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agendum 1. "MobileOK Basic Tests" taken up [from DKA]

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Scribe: DKA

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ScribeNick: DKA

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Francois: good news on MobileOK Basic tests. Google homepage is now MobileOK (thanks, Adam!)

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Francois: Last point before moving to PR - https certificate - the way we handle invalid certificates. Following the comments from the security context working group. Jo has proposed some text to the security context working group. Suggest we take a resolution to say this text is fine provided that sec context working group agrees.

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-comments/2008JulSep/0156.html Jo's reply to WSC WG

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zakim, who is here?

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On the phone I see DKA, Francois, jeffs (muted), [CTIC], achuter (muted), ??P24 (muted)

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[CTIC] has abel, miguel

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On IRC I see abel_, Sangwhan_Moon, jeffs, Zakim, RRSAgent, jo, achuter, DKA, francois, matt, dom, trackbot

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DKA: Don't think we need a resolution yet.

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Francois: yes - we will wait for comments back from sec context wg and then wait for next revision form Jo and then take a resolution.

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DKA: OK.

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Scribe: francois

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ScribeNick: francois

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DKA: really good news that Google's mobileOK again!

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Scribe: Francois

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zakim, next agendum

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agendum 2. "F2F notes if any" taken up [from DKA]

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http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=dd3jk8v_128gb3xp5hq&hl=en

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DKA: The current draft is just a series of topics.

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... I think I have an action pending to update that.

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... Any comments?

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francois: no real comment. Question about the phone thing?

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DKA: yes. We're going to need it, because Bryan won't be there and needs to dial in.

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... On the "joint meetings" part:

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... WebApps WG is working on Widgets.

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... It's all about packaging things and security.

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+1 on that "Mobile widgets discussion with WebApps working group" idea, good to have explicit more-or-less seamless coord between them and us

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... We could work with them to establish that they reference MWABP as guidelines to write content for the Widgets.

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... I don't expect we spend too much time on that.

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francois: anyone talked to WebApps yet?

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DKA: not yet. Give me an action

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zakim, next agendum

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agendum 3. "BP2 Issues (277-280)" taken up [from DKA]

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ACTION: Dan to write to WebApps to see if we could hold a joint meeting during TPAC F2F

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Created ACTION-851 - Write to WebApps to see if we could hold a joint meeting during TPAC F2F [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2008-10-02].

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DKA: wonder if we should move on on that without the editors.

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zakim, next agendum

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agendum 3 was just opened, DKA

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francois: probably not, especially since there's an editorial meeting tomorrow

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zakim, next agendum, dammit

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I don't understand 'next agendum, dammit', DKA

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zakim, next agendum

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agendum 4. "comments on widgets 1.0 Requirements" taken up [from DKA]

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DKA: Bryan sent a note

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Sep/0087.html Bryan's comments on the comments

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francois: yes, from what I understood, he's going in the same direction we just mentioned.

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... and suggest that we forget about the comments we previously sent because WebApps is mostly concerned about packaging.

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... we could use MWABP as guidelines to write the content.

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DKA: Yes. I don't think we should expect too much, but that's a good idea.

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zakim, next agendum

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agendum 5. "alan's comments on bp2" taken up [from DKA]

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... We'll see that at the TPAC

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francois: Should we resolve on the reply from WebApps to state we're fine with it?

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PROPOSED RESOLUTION: BPWG acknowledges the reply from Web Apps WG to the comments it sent about the Widgets 1.0 Requirements specification.

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PROPOSED RESOLUTION: BPWG accepts the reply from Web Apps WG to the comments it sent about the Widgets 1.0 Requirements specification.

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+1

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+1

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+1

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+1

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+1

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RESOLUTION: BPWG accepts the reply from Web Apps WG to the comments it sent about the Widgets 1.0 Requirements specification.

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+1

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zakim, who is on the phone?

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On the phone I see DKA, Francois, jeffs (muted), [CTIC], achuter (muted), Sangwhan_Moon (muted)

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[CTIC] has abel, miguel

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DKA: Alan, unless you have anything to add, I suggest we skip this topic.

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(waves back)

14:31:05 [francois]

... Let's just record that the group needs to consider Alan's comments. We're likely to address them tomorrow during the editorial meeting. Any comment to Alan's comments should be sent ASAP.

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alan: one comment about ARIA which could help mobile web applications.

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... A lot of work is going into ARIA.

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... The TPAC would be a good opportunity to have informal talks with PFWG to see how important it could be for our document

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zakim, next agendum

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agendum 6. "alan's suggest text (ACTION-790)" taken up [from DKA]

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DKA: So, that's actually what you were talking about, Alan

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... I was referring previously to your other comments.

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... We're going to consider these comments in the editorial meeting tomorrow.

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Sep/0080.html Alan's comments on MWABP

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Sep/0081.html Alan's comments for ACTION-790

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zakim, who is here?

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On the phone I see DKA, Francois, jeffs (muted), [CTIC], achuter, Sangwhan_Moon (muted)

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[CTIC] has abel, miguel

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On IRC I see abel_, Sangwhan_Moon, jeffs, Zakim, RRSAgent, jo, achuter, DKA, francois, matt, dom, trackbot

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zakim unmute me

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ack Sangwhan_Moon

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Topic: Sangwhan introduction

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Sangwhan: [introducing himself]

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... from Opera Software.

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DKA: Welcome to the group, we'll appreciate your helping us out. Our biggest piece of work is MWABP right now, about "great" mobile web applications.

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(waves back)

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... Any expertise would be appreciated.

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-jeffs

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DKA: ok, let's drop the call for today. Feel free to join the editorial meeting tomorrow.

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-Francois

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-[CTIC]

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-achuter

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[call adjourned]

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-Sangwhan_Moon

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-bpwg-minutes.html francois

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zakim, list attendees

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As of this point the attendees have been DKA, Francois, +1.585.278.aaaa, jeffs, achuter, abel, miguel, Sangwhan_Moon

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-bpwg-minutes.html francois

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-DKA

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MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were DKA, Francois, +1.585.278.aaaa, jeffs, achuter, abel, miguel, Sangwhan_Moon

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-bpwg-minutes.html francois

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RRSAgent, bye

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I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-bpwg-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Dan to write to WebApps to see if we could hold a joint meeting during TPAC F2F [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-bpwg-irc#T14-22-04

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Zakim, bye

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