14:02:01 RRSAgent has joined #bpwg 14:02:01 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-bpwg-irc 14:02:02 RRSAgent, make logs public 14:02:03 Zakim has joined #bpwg 14:02:04 Zakim, this will be BPWG 14:02:04 ok, trackbot, I see MWI_BPWG()10:00AM already started 14:02:05 Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference 14:02:06 Date: 25 September 2008 14:02:15 jeffs has joined #bpwg 14:03:11 +Francois 14:03:23 + +1.585.278.aaaa 14:03:37 Chair: DKA 14:03:51 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Sep/0084.html 14:03:57 zakim, aaaa is jeffs 14:03:57 +jeffs; got it 14:04:07 zakim, unmute me 14:04:07 jeffs was not muted, jeffs 14:04:21 zakim, mute me 14:04:21 jeffs should now be muted 14:04:45 abel has joined #bpwg 14:05:19 +[CTIC] 14:05:50 agenda+ MobileOK Basic Tests 14:06:07 agenda+ F2F notes if any 14:06:35 Sangwhan_Moon has joined #bpwg 14:06:52 Regrets: Kai, SeanP, Bruce, David_Storey, Jo, hgerlach, rob, Sangwhan, Manrique, dom, yeliz, adam 14:07:01 agenda+ BP2 Issues (277-280) 14:07:22 Regrets+ Bryan 14:07:37 abel_ has joined #bpwg 14:07:56 agenda+ comments on widgets 1.0 Requirements 14:08:01 agenda? 14:08:07 +??P22 14:08:11 zakim, who is here? 14:08:11 On the phone I see DKA, Francois, jeffs (muted), [CTIC], ??P22 14:08:12 On IRC I see abel_, Sangwhan_Moon, jeffs, Zakim, RRSAgent, jo, achuter, DKA, francois, matt, dom, trackbot 14:08:14 zakim, ??P22 is me 14:08:14 +achuter; got it 14:08:34 +??P24 14:08:41 agenda+ alan's comments on bp2 14:09:21 agenda+ alan's suggest text (ACTION-790) 14:09:25 agenda? 14:09:56 zakim, who is here? 14:09:56 On the phone I see DKA, Francois, jeffs (muted), [CTIC], achuter, ??P24 14:09:58 [CTIC] has abel, miguel 14:09:59 On IRC I see abel_, Sangwhan_Moon, jeffs, Zakim, RRSAgent, jo, achuter, DKA, francois, matt, dom, trackbot 14:10:04 Scribe: francois 14:10:08 ScribeNick: francois 14:10:53 Zakim, pick up next agendum 14:10:53 I don't understand 'pick up next agendum', francois 14:10:54 zakim, next agendum 14:10:54 agendum 1. "MobileOK Basic Tests" taken up [from DKA] 14:11:29 Scribe: DKA 14:11:34 ScribeNick: DKA 14:12:05 Francois: good news on MobileOK Basic tests. Google homepage is now MobileOK (thanks, Adam!) 14:13:09 Francois: Last point before moving to PR - https certificate - the way we handle invalid certificates. Following the comments from the security context working group. Jo has proposed some text to the security context working group. Suggest we take a resolution to say this text is fine provided that sec context working group agrees. 14:13:40 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-comments/2008JulSep/0156.html Jo's reply to WSC WG 14:14:00 zakim, who is here? 14:14:00 On the phone I see DKA, Francois, jeffs (muted), [CTIC], achuter (muted), ??P24 (muted) 14:14:03 [CTIC] has abel, miguel 14:14:04 On IRC I see abel_, Sangwhan_Moon, jeffs, Zakim, RRSAgent, jo, achuter, DKA, francois, matt, dom, trackbot 14:14:10 DKA: Don't think we need a resolution yet. 14:14:32 Francois: yes - we will wait for comments back from sec context wg and then wait for next revision form Jo and then take a resolution. 14:14:35 DKA: OK. 14:14:39 Scribe: francois 14:14:44 ScribeNick: francois 14:14:54 DKA: really good news that Google's mobileOK again! 14:14:55 Scribe: Francois 14:15:25 zakim, next agendum 14:15:25 agendum 2. "F2F notes if any" taken up [from DKA] 14:15:53 http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=dd3jk8v_128gb3xp5hq&hl=en 14:16:07 DKA: The current draft is just a series of topics. 14:16:18 ... I think I have an action pending to update that. 14:16:28 ... Any comments? 14:17:36 francois: no real comment. Question about the phone thing? 14:17:53 DKA: yes. We're going to need it, because Bryan won't be there and needs to dial in. 14:18:27 ... On the "joint meetings" part: 14:19:15 ... WebApps WG is working on Widgets. 14:19:27 ... It's all about packaging things and security. 14:19:36 +1 on that "Mobile widgets discussion with WebApps working group" idea, good to have explicit more-or-less seamless coord between them and us 14:20:00 ... We could work with them to establish that they reference MWABP as guidelines to write content for the Widgets. 14:20:20 ... I don't expect we spend too much time on that. 14:21:10 francois: anyone talked to WebApps yet? 14:21:41 DKA: not yet. Give me an action 14:22:03 zakim, next agendum 14:22:03 agendum 3. "BP2 Issues (277-280)" taken up [from DKA] 14:22:04 ACTION: Dan to write to WebApps to see if we could hold a joint meeting during TPAC F2F 14:22:04 Created ACTION-851 - Write to WebApps to see if we could hold a joint meeting during TPAC F2F [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2008-10-02]. 14:22:50 DKA: wonder if we should move on on that without the editors. 14:22:56 zakim, next agendum 14:22:56 agendum 3 was just opened, DKA 14:23:06 francois: probably not, especially since there's an editorial meeting tomorrow 14:23:19 zakim, next agendum, dammit 14:23:19 I don't understand 'next agendum, dammit', DKA 14:23:22 zakim, next agendum 14:23:22 agendum 4. "comments on widgets 1.0 Requirements" taken up [from DKA] 14:24:05 DKA: Bryan sent a note 14:24:14 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Sep/0087.html Bryan's comments on the comments 14:25:46 francois: yes, from what I understood, he's going in the same direction we just mentioned. 14:26:19 ... and suggest that we forget about the comments we previously sent because WebApps is mostly concerned about packaging. 14:26:31 ... we could use MWABP as guidelines to write the content. 14:26:45 DKA: Yes. I don't think we should expect too much, but that's a good idea. 14:26:50 zakim, next agendum 14:26:50 agendum 5. "alan's comments on bp2" taken up [from DKA] 14:26:53 ... We'll see that at the TPAC 14:27:58 francois: Should we resolve on the reply from WebApps to state we're fine with it? 14:28:42 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: BPWG acknowledges the reply from Web Apps WG to the comments it sent about the Widgets 1.0 Requirements specification. 14:28:56 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: BPWG accepts the reply from Web Apps WG to the comments it sent about the Widgets 1.0 Requirements specification. 14:29:04 +1 14:29:07 +1 14:29:08 +1 14:29:11 +1 14:29:13 +1 14:29:20 RESOLUTION: BPWG accepts the reply from Web Apps WG to the comments it sent about the Widgets 1.0 Requirements specification. 14:29:29 +1 14:29:38 zakim, who is on the phone? 14:29:38 On the phone I see DKA, Francois, jeffs (muted), [CTIC], achuter (muted), Sangwhan_Moon (muted) 14:29:40 [CTIC] has abel, miguel 14:30:19 DKA: Alan, unless you have anything to add, I suggest we skip this topic. 14:30:51 (waves back) 14:31:05 ... Let's just record that the group needs to consider Alan's comments. We're likely to address them tomorrow during the editorial meeting. Any comment to Alan's comments should be sent ASAP. 14:32:10 alan: one comment about ARIA which could help mobile web applications. 14:32:29 ... A lot of work is going into ARIA. 14:33:39 ... The TPAC would be a good opportunity to have informal talks with PFWG to see how important it could be for our document 14:34:06 zakim, next agendum 14:34:06 agendum 6. "alan's suggest text (ACTION-790)" taken up [from DKA] 14:34:55 DKA: So, that's actually what you were talking about, Alan 14:35:13 ... I was referring previously to your other comments. 14:35:56 ... We're going to consider these comments in the editorial meeting tomorrow. 14:36:25 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Sep/0080.html Alan's comments on MWABP 14:36:49 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Sep/0081.html Alan's comments for ACTION-790 14:37:14 zakim, who is here? 14:37:14 On the phone I see DKA, Francois, jeffs (muted), [CTIC], achuter, Sangwhan_Moon (muted) 14:37:16 [CTIC] has abel, miguel 14:37:18 On IRC I see abel_, Sangwhan_Moon, jeffs, Zakim, RRSAgent, jo, achuter, DKA, francois, matt, dom, trackbot 14:37:23 zakim unmute me 14:37:30 ack Sangwhan_Moon 14:37:47 Topic: Sangwhan introduction 14:38:01 Sangwhan: [introducing himself] 14:38:30 ... from Opera Software. 14:39:25 DKA: Welcome to the group, we'll appreciate your helping us out. Our biggest piece of work is MWABP right now, about "great" mobile web applications. 14:39:26 (waves back) 14:39:35 ... Any expertise would be appreciated. 14:39:43 -jeffs 14:40:35 DKA: ok, let's drop the call for today. Feel free to join the editorial meeting tomorrow. 14:40:44 -Francois 14:40:45 -[CTIC] 14:40:45 -achuter 14:40:46 [call adjourned] 14:40:46 -Sangwhan_Moon 14:40:50 abel_ has left #bpwg 14:40:52 RRSAgent, draft minutes 14:40:52 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-bpwg-minutes.html francois 14:42:15 Sangwhan_Moon has left #bpwg 14:42:29 zakim, list attendees 14:42:30 As of this point the attendees have been DKA, Francois, +1.585.278.aaaa, jeffs, achuter, abel, miguel, Sangwhan_Moon 14:42:33 RRSAgent, draft minutes 14:42:33 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-bpwg-minutes.html francois 14:42:58 -DKA 14:43:00 MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has ended 14:43:01 Attendees were DKA, Francois, +1.585.278.aaaa, jeffs, achuter, abel, miguel, Sangwhan_Moon 14:43:41 RRSAgent, draft minutes 14:43:41 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-bpwg-minutes.html francois 15:32:03 RRSAgent, bye 15:32:03 I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-bpwg-actions.rdf : 15:32:03 ACTION: Dan to write to WebApps to see if we could hold a joint meeting during TPAC F2F [1] 15:32:03 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-bpwg-irc#T14-22-04 15:32:07 Zakim, bye 15:32:07 Zakim has left #bpwg