12:59:06 RRSAgent has joined #mediaann 12:59:06 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/09/23-mediaann-irc 12:59:11 meeting: MAGW 12:59:14 chair: Daniel 12:59:33 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Sep/0041.html 12:59:36 wbailer has joined #mediaann 12:59:38 rrsagent, make log public 12:59:54 +Felix 13:00:07 VeroniqueM has joined #mediaann 13:00:18 Zakim, aabb is me 13:00:18 +tobiasbuerger; got it 13:00:28 raphael has joined #mediaann 13:01:36 +[VrijeUni] 13:01:44 present+ tobias, davy, raphael(IRC), felix 13:01:58 present+ VĂ©ronique 13:02:05 +??P2 13:02:17 zakim, [VrijeUni] is me 13:02:17 +VeroniqueM; got it 13:02:33 + +43.699.187.6aadd 13:02:35 scribe: Felix 13:02:41 scribeNick: fsasaki 13:02:55 ?aadd is wbailer 13:03:32 present+ Daniel, Werner 13:03:56 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Sep/att-0041/00-part 13:04:23 topic: agenda review 13:04:31 Daniel reviews the agenda 13:05:31 daniel: no need to go through all open issue, we can go through them briefly and continue discussion via mail 13:05:46 topic: Agenda review / approval of previous minutes 13:05:54 http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html 13:06:30 RESOLUTION: minutes approved 13:06:47 topic: Selection of scribe for next meeting 13:07:12 next scribe will be Hui 13:07:18 yep. : 0 13:07:22 : ) 13:07:26 i'll do it from next time 13:07:28 present+ Hui 13:07:41 my pleasure 13:08:29 topic: Future telephone conferences and f2f meetings / call time 13:09:30 Daniel: we will have an alternating schedule, see upcoming calls at http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/admin 13:10:11 .. at TPAC, we will have a joint meeting with PLING IG 13:10:28 .. in Belgium we will have a joint meeting with media fragment WG 13:10:30 erik has joined #mediaann 13:10:38 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/23-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki 13:11:07 present+ Erik 13:11:16 topic: Call for co-chair 13:11:49 no update for now 13:12:04 topic: Action items 13:12:11 http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open 13:12:43 close ACTION-1 13:12:43 ACTION-1 Book the bridge for the weekly telecon closed 13:12:44 close ACTION-2 13:12:44 ACTION-2 Give a cvs access to Daniel and to the editors closed 13:12:46 close ACTION-3 13:12:46 ACTION-3 Prepare the editing environment including templates, directories, etc. closed 13:14:37 close ACTION-4 13:14:37 ACTION-4 Pull out requirements of one standard (to be decided which), AI also for Erik closed 13:15:35 Veronique had sent information on IPTC, and we will not keep this general action item 13:15:50 topic: Editing 13:16:51 I could also participate in editing, but I have very few experience with this... 13:17:16 tobias: I can edit later 13:17:21 daniel: we will be a team 13:17:48 felix: every editor will edit each deliverable 13:17:55 i would like to join editing, though i've little experience. 13:18:01 http://www.w3.org/2008/01/media-annotations-wg.html 13:18:04 Hui and tobias are volunteers for editing team as of today 13:18:04 + +31.20.525.aaee 13:19:10 present+ Frank 13:19:20 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/23-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki 13:19:47 topic: Open issues 13:21:05 q+ 13:21:36 There is an open questionnaire regarding the formats in scope and out of scope, could we keep it open one more week ? 13:21:54 zakim, ack me 13:21:54 I see no one on the speaker queue 13:22:14 anyone mension the youtube like video yet ? 13:22:28 it'll be an important format for our application 13:26:20 daniel: propose that we go through the issues until next teleconference via mail, and try to wrap them up during that call, and work on the editors draft just after that 13:26:41 would it make sense to link the use cases with requirements lists more specifically? 13:26:43 Raphael, yes, we will open for all of open issue until next telecon 13:26:45 action: Felix to extend "formats ... scope" for one more week 13:26:45 Created ACTION-5 - Extend \"formats ... scope\" for one more week [on Felix Sasaki - due 2008-09-30]. 13:26:57 this might hep us getting a list of requirements? 13:28:30 maybe we can make a short list of the use cases, just by their names? 13:30:23 Use case "Services by using an unified media annotation" 13:30:34 yes 13:30:39 yes 13:30:55 yes 13:30:58 yes 13:31:29 Use case "Video on IPTV" - should that be merged into another use case? 13:31:46 yes 13:31:53 yes 13:32:00 yes 13:32:02 yes, merge with services 13:32:02 yes 13:32:15 yes 13:32:42 Requirement "Covering variations across locales" 13:33:26 it's requirements, yes 13:33:40 yes, it's maybe related to adaptation use case? 13:33:56 or to interoperability? 13:34:23 Use case "Audiovisual archive as a Cultural Heritage institution" 13:34:35 yes 13:35:08 yes, as mentioned on the list it might be broad and could be more concrete 13:35:28 agree 13:35:44 veronique: well, it was more a general view than a specific usecase, but can be splitted into searching and interoperability 13:36:20 agree 13:36:42 yes 13:36:56 yes 13:37:07 Use case "Metadata to help promoting safe environments" 13:37:07 yes 13:37:20 yes 13:37:32 s/Use case "Metadata to help promoting safe environments"// 13:37:35 Use case "Metadata to help promoting safe environments" 13:37:36 can be related to personalisation, to some extent? 13:38:17 Felix: should it be a separate use case? Or 13:38:23 agree to relate it to other uc 13:38:25 ... be related to something else 13:38:33 we could also merge it with the services use case... 13:38:39 agree to relate it 13:38:56 Use case "Multi media and semantic web technologies" 13:39:14 This is too broad I guess and not meant as a use case. Yes - please drop it 13:39:14 drop this since it is too broad? 13:39:19 agree 13:39:23 agreed 13:39:25 agree 13:39:27 agree 13:39:30 agree 13:39:36 agree 13:39:51 Use case "Photo" - should we take this into account? 13:40:17 Does the charter talk only about videos ? 13:40:22 has this not be covered by the XG? 13:40:31 isn't it related to Multimedia Annotation XG ? 13:40:36 Image annotation I mean 13:40:47 http://www.w3.org/2008/01/media-annotations-wg.html 13:40:50 No, the role of the XG was not to promote a particular schema or ontology for describing media 13:40:59 yes, but somehow it'orthogonal: media types vs application like searc etc 13:41:02 "This Group is chartered to provide a simple ontology to support cross-community data integration of information related to media objects on the Web, as well as an API to access the information." 13:41:08 (from the charter) 13:41:19 ... but rather to investigate how SW technologies help to build bridges between exixting formats and standards 13:41:59 daniel: our homepage talks about video, audio and images 13:42:00 Video/Audio/Images 13:42:00 ... so my conclusion is, there is still a lot to do to make the DC for photos, or videos 13:42:18 +1, Raphael. Agree. 13:42:25 +1 13:42:51 Use case "music" - should we take this into account? 13:43:30 daniel: not sure 13:43:37 Same conclusion, the pseudo-formalization of the ID3 tags using the Music Ontology is interesting and might be a good start up 13:43:57 raphael: "same conclusion" means: valid use case? 13:44:02 not sure either, lots of very specific issues would then be taken into account 13:44:27 ok to Raphael 13:44:29 but music ontology is quite specific, we should stay on a more generic level 13:44:40 Yes, valid use case, I think ... in the sense that your title property would be likely to be used for a title of a movie or a song 13:44:50 ... and a link to the ID3 title is a good thing, etc. 13:45:12 agree for the music ontology, I'm talking about reusing some elements ... and link to some others 13:45:17 Felix: sounds like a valid use case but on a very general level 13:45:23 providing means for linking seems to be a good idea 13:45:42 Use case "News" 13:45:48 yes 13:45:54 yes 13:46:07 I see the outcome of this group as a core schema, with a lot of open windows to standards, with explicit semantics 13:46:13 that's a very complex and very interesting use case! Vote for yes 13:46:28 News: not in the state that it is described in the XG document .. but yet in the general sense 13:46:41 s/yet/yes 13:46:41 yes, i see the same thing as for music: avoid getting too specific 13:46:53 yes 13:47:11 Use case "Tagging" 13:47:35 in what sense? 13:47:41 tagging for what ? 13:47:49 as values for a schema? 13:47:57 or instead of it? 13:48:03 what it was about: "The tagging use case which tackles the problem of interoperability and portability of tagging systems and personal tags." 13:48:05 Goal of the XG was to allow reusing a personomy between various platforms 13:48:20 ... example: you use the same flickr tags on delicious 13:48:33 merge it with interop? 13:48:36 ... you own your tags, defined in SKOS, and you can search cross-platform 13:48:55 in that case, makes sense 13:49:01 if you define them 13:49:03 ... each tags has a global URI and is formally defined 13:50:56 Felix: maybe we will not be able to solve that interoperabiltiy problem, only on a very high level of the ontology, and leave the rest to other fora 13:51:08 Use case "semantic media analysis" 13:51:19 Felix: too general - close that? 13:51:38 agree 13:51:39 agree 13:51:43 agree 13:51:47 I guess we should take some aspects into accout... 13:51:53 agree, analysis is done for search, adaptation ,... 13:51:54 ...like links between modalities 13:52:34 like semiotic relations between speech and image in a video? 13:52:41 tobias: how text can support the analsys of media. This use case is about references between text and parts of the image 13:53:11 felix: do you think the relations should be typed and part of the ontology? 13:53:24 tobias: yes 13:53:41 felix: let's discuss this via mail 13:53:53 Use case "algorithm representation" 13:54:06 drop 13:54:08 drop 13:54:09 felix: out of scope - drop it? 13:54:13 yes 13:54:15 yes 13:54:18 agree to drop it 13:54:28 yes 13:56:09 topic: wrap up 13:56:25 Daniel: please check http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Media+Annotations+WG&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailtype1 13:56:27 =substring&email1=&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0= for new use cases 13:56:45 daniel: and make discussion on the list 13:57:18 q+ 13:57:25 ack ra 13:57:33 please raphael 13:57:35 is next week telecon changing hour ? 13:57:55 yes, see schedule at http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/admin 13:57:58 q+ 13:58:04 ok, it has been approved ? 13:58:04 ack to 13:58:04 21 UTC 13:58:10 raphael, yes 13:58:14 ok, thanks, I can make it :-) 13:58:53 topic: AOB 13:59:07 raphael: can I participate in TPAC f2f via phone? 13:59:09 any issues today ? 13:59:16 Felix: yes, we have a bridge for both days 13:59:29 s/raphael/tobias 14:00:03 Raphael, is that ok for you ? we will adjourn today call 14:00:09 yes, thanks ! 14:00:37 -Felix 14:00:39 -Davy 14:00:43 -Daniel 14:00:45 -Frank 14:00:47 many thanks, spark3! 14:00:49 -wbailer 14:00:51 -VeroniqueM 14:00:53 -tobiasbuerger 14:00:55 IA_MAWG()9:00AM has ended 14:00:56 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/23-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki 14:00:59 Attendees were +329331aaaa, +49.861.209.aabb, +329331aacc, Felix, tobiasbuerger, Davy, VeroniqueM, Daniel, +43.699.187.6aadd, wbailer, +31.20.525.aaee, Frank 14:06:58 davy has left #mediaann 14:07:30 erik has left #mediaann 14:15:17 rrsagent, bye 14:15:17 I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/23-mediaann-actions.rdf : 14:15:17 ACTION: Felix to extend "formats ... scope" for one more week [1] 14:15:17 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/23-mediaann-irc#T13-26-45 14:15:20 zakim, bye 14:15:20 Zakim has left #mediaann