IRC log of er on 2008-09-17

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/09/17-er-irc

12:27:46 [Zakim]

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12:27:52 [shadi]

zakim, this will be ert

12:27:52 [Zakim]

ok, shadi, I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM already started

12:28:00 [shadi]

meeting: ERT WG

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Sep/0023.html

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agenda+ Announcements

12:28:50 [shadi]

agenda+ Comments on HTTP-in-RDF and Content-in-RDF

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agenda+ Pointer Rules and Conventions

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agenda+ Response on POWDER drafts

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agenda+ Agenda Items for Upcoming Meetings

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agenda+ Next Meeting

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zakim, code?

12:30:47 [Zakim]

the conference code is 3794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shadi

12:30:50 [MikeS]

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+CarlosV

12:31:09 [shadi]

zakim, who is on the phone?

12:31:10 [Zakim]

On the phone I see MikeS, CarlosV

12:31:14 [Zakim]

+??P1

12:31:21 [shadi]

zakim, ? is me

12:31:21 [Zakim]

+shadi; got it

12:31:31 [JohannesK]

zakim, carlosV is really JohannesK

12:31:31 [Zakim]

+JohannesK; got it

12:32:48 [Zakim]

+ +98439aaaa

12:33:01 [shadi]

zakim, aaaa is really CarlosI

12:33:01 [Zakim]

+CarlosI; got it

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scribe: CarlosI

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agenda?

12:34:00 [carlosI]

SAZ: any other thing to discuss?

12:34:05 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 1

12:34:05 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Announcements" taken up [from shadi]

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12:34:39 [carlosI]

SAZ: Mike will co-chair the group

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SAZ: will be announced soon

12:36:34 [MikeS]

zakim, who is on the call?

12:36:34 [Zakim]

On the phone I see MikeS, JohannesK, shadi, CarlosI

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12:37:37 [shadi]

zakim, take up next

12:37:37 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Comments on HTTP-in-RDF and Content-in-RDF" taken up [from shadi]

12:37:39 [Zakim]

+JohannesK.a

12:38:01 [MikeS]

zakim, mute me

12:38:01 [Zakim]

MikeS should now be muted

12:38:20 [velasco]

zakim, JohannesK.a is really CarlosV

12:38:20 [Zakim]

sorry, velasco, I do not recognize a party named 'JohannesK.a'

12:39:17 [MikeS]

zakim, mute me

12:39:17 [Zakim]

MikeS was already muted, MikeS

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12:40:52 [carlosI]

SAZ: couple of comments on HTTP-in-RDF and Content-in-RDF

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12:41:22 [carlosI]

SAZ: JK do you like to discuss any issue?

12:41:55 [velasco]

zakim, johannesk.a is really CarlosV

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+CarlosV; got it

12:41:57 [carlosI]

JK: wording problems in the comments

12:42:55 [carlosI]

JK: SAZ mentioned he will show comments to some semantic web group

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SAZ: will try to get somebody for a teleconference

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SAZ: also try to invite them to the F2F

12:44:07 [carlosI]

SAZ: if you have specific questions, please let me know

12:44:44 [carlosI]

JK: for example the "represent" wording about RDF classes

12:45:10 [carlosI]

CV: don't get that comment either

12:45:30 [carlosI]

SAZ: try that somebody help us on this, personally or by phone

12:45:46 [Zakim]

-shadi

12:46:25 [Zakim]

+??P1

12:46:31 [shadi]

zakim, ? is me

12:46:31 [Zakim]

+shadi; got it

12:46:56 [carlosI]

JK: the comment about the literal value in the connectionAuthority example doesn't make sense

12:47:04 [carlosI]

JK: it is a literal

12:47:35 [carlosI]

JK: the same with the 2.3.1 comment

12:47:44 [shadi]

action: try to recruit someone from SemWeb to help us understand some of the comments and issues

12:47:44 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - try

12:48:03 [shadi]

action: shadi try to recruit someone from SemWeb to help us understand some of the comments and issues

12:48:03 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-7 - Try to recruit someone from SemWeb to help us understand some of the comments and issues [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2008-09-24].

12:51:16 [carlosI]

SAZ: the same comments apply also to several other documents

12:51:47 [carlosI]

CV: are the namespaces published?

12:51:57 [carlosI]

CV: at least Content is not

12:52:03 [carlosI]

SAZ: should be

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SAZ: will check

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SAZ: it is #2008

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- <http://www.w3.org/2006/http.rdfs>

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# updated by <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/HTTP/http.rdfs>

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- <http://www.w3.org/2006/http-header.rdfs>

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# updated by <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/HTTP/http-header.rdfs>

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- <http://www.w3.org/2008/http-headers.rdf>

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# created by <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/HTTP/http-headers.rdf>

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- <http://www.w3.org/2008/http-methods.rdf>

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# created by <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/HTTP/http-methods.rdf>

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- <http://www.w3.org/2008/http-statusCodes.rdf>

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# created by <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/HTTP/http-statusCodes.rdf>

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- <http://www.w3.org/2008/content.rdfs>

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# created by <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/Content/content.rdfs>

12:54:11 [carlosI]

CV: in the document is 2007, but it is published as 2008

12:54:21 [carlosI]

JK: will need to update the document

12:56:08 [shadi]

action: johannesk update HTTP-in-RDF and Content-in-RDF documents

12:56:08 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - johannesk

12:56:31 [shadi]

action: shadi check possibilities for revising HTTP-in-RDF and Content-in-RDF documents

12:56:31 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-8 - Check possibilities for revising HTTP-in-RDF and Content-in-RDF documents [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2008-09-24].

12:56:50 [shadi]

action: jkoch update HTTP-in-RDF and Content-in-RDF documents

12:56:50 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-9 - Update HTTP-in-RDF and Content-in-RDF documents [on Johannes Koch - due 2008-09-24].

12:59:41 [shadi]

action: shadi update FOAF namespace in the EARL 1.0 Schema to the latest version

12:59:41 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-10 - Update FOAF namespace in the EARL 1.0 Schema to the latest version [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2008-09-24].

13:00:00 [shadi]

zakim, take up next

13:00:00 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "Pointer Rules and Conventions" taken up [from shadi]

13:00:31 [carlosI]

JK: issues of Contents still pending of discussion

13:01:11 [carlosI]

JK: don't understand question 1

13:01:44 [carlosI]

SAZ: could response with thanks and asking for a proposal

13:02:05 [carlosI]

CV: maybe GRDDL as an alternative to the Content class

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SAZ: feel free to ask for more information

13:02:50 [carlosI]

JK: about q2, we use always RDF/XML

13:03:32 [carlosI]

SAZ: we had N3 representation of EARL schema but decided not to do it any more

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CV: don't think N3 is more human readable

13:04:14 [carlosI]

SAZ: depending of the kind of human, RDF humans or the rest of humans :)

13:04:46 [carlosI]

SAZ: should continue with RDF/XML as our primary format

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CV: the comment is about examples not the schema

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SAZ: could provide also other formats like N3

13:06:07 [carlosI]

SAZ: it is somehting we can address at the end

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SAZ: let put it in the wish list for now

13:07:39 [carlosI]

JK: about q5 I think it is mentioned in one of the use cases

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CV: why jump over q3 and q4?

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JK: they are disjoint indeed

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SAZ: think disjoint in RDF has an special meaning

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SAZ: both questions are the opposite

13:10:03 [carlosI]

JK: then the first answer is NO and the second is YES

13:10:38 [carlosI]

SAZ: I think this is a tricky RDF question and can pospone it until we talk with the RDF guys

13:11:29 [carlosI]

SAZ: seems that the allowable meaning is also special for RDF people

13:12:23 [carlosI]

JK: q4 could be explained further in the document

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scribe: JohannesK

13:16:27 [JohannesK]

SAZ: Pointer conventions

13:18:07 [JohannesK]

CI: two approaches: 1. more human-friendly approach (which element, 1st character); 2. more parser-friendly (e.g. when parsing of an element is finished)

13:18:51 [JohannesK]

CI: several parsers/tools use a certain way of pointing

13:20:15 [JohannesK]

SAZ: this is focussed on line/char pointer

13:21:09 [JohannesK]

SAZ: XPath pointer should point to most specific element

13:26:11 [shadi]

JK: why do we need these convetions?

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CI: readable way to interpret pointers

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CV: can discuss this for long

13:28:14 [shadi]

...shouldn't we make a table to say what most parsers do?

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CI: we have a specific use case

13:28:46 [shadi]

...for the task force, to point to the same place

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-CarlosV

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I need to go: bye

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13:34:22 [carlosI]

ACTION: ciglesia to provide examples for other kind of pointers

13:34:22 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-11 - Provide examples for other kind of pointers [on Carlos Iglesias - due 2008-09-24].

13:34:40 [shadi]

zakim, take up next

13:34:40 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "Response on POWDER drafts" taken up [from shadi]

13:35:52 [carlosI]

ACTION: everybody to look at real world examples of pointers usage (parsers and other software)

13:35:52 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - everybody

13:36:03 [shadi]

action: Shadi send POWDER comments 1 hour after the call, unless hear otherwise

13:36:03 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-12 - Send POWDER comments 1 hour after the call, unless hear otherwise [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2008-09-24].

13:36:05 [shadi]

zakim, take up next

13:36:05 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "Agenda Items for Upcoming Meetings" taken up [from shadi]

13:37:11 [shadi]

zakim, take up next

13:37:11 [Zakim]

agendum 6. "Next Meeting" taken up [from shadi]

13:37:34 [shadi]

Next Meeting: October 1

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-JohannesK

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-shadi

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-MikeS

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-CarlosI

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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended

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Attendees were MikeS, shadi, JohannesK, +98439aaaa, CarlosI, CarlosV

13:39:20 [shadi]

zakim, bye

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13:39:33 [shadi]

rrsagent, make logs world

13:39:37 [shadi]

rrsagent, make minutes

13:39:37 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/17-er-minutes.html shadi

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rrsagent, make logs world

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rrsagent, bye

13:39:44 [RRSAgent]

I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/17-er-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: try to recruit someone from SemWeb to help us understand some of the comments and issues [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/17-er-irc#T12-47-44

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ACTION: shadi try to recruit someone from SemWeb to help us understand some of the comments and issues [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/17-er-irc#T12-48-03

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ACTION: johannesk update HTTP-in-RDF and Content-in-RDF documents [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/17-er-irc#T12-56-08

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ACTION: shadi check possibilities for revising HTTP-in-RDF and Content-in-RDF documents [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/17-er-irc#T12-56-31

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ACTION: jkoch update HTTP-in-RDF and Content-in-RDF documents [5]

13:39:44 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/17-er-irc#T12-56-50

13:39:44 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: shadi update FOAF namespace in the EARL 1.0 Schema to the latest version [6]

13:39:44 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/17-er-irc#T12-59-41

13:39:44 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: ciglesia to provide examples for other kind of pointers [7]

13:39:44 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/17-er-irc#T13-34-22

13:39:44 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: everybody to look at real world examples of pointers usage (parsers and other software) [8]

13:39:44 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/17-er-irc#T13-35-52

13:39:44 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Shadi send POWDER comments 1 hour after the call, unless hear otherwise [9]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/17-er-irc#T13-36-03