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12:27:52 <shadi> zakim, this will be ert
12:27:52 <Zakim> ok, shadi, I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM already started
12:28:00 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
12:28:31 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Sep/0023.html
12:28:38 <shadi> agenda+ Announcements
12:28:50 <shadi> agenda+ Comments on HTTP-in-RDF and Content-in-RDF
12:29:24 <shadi> agenda+ Pointer Rules and Conventions
12:29:47 <shadi> agenda+ Response on POWDER drafts
12:30:21 <shadi> agenda+ Agenda Items for Upcoming Meetings
12:30:27 <shadi> agenda+ Next Meeting
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12:30:47 <shadi> zakim, code?
12:30:47 <Zakim> the conference code is 3794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shadi
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12:31:09 <Zakim> +CarlosV
12:31:09 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
12:31:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see MikeS, CarlosV
12:31:14 <Zakim> +??P1
12:31:21 <shadi> zakim, ? is me
12:31:21 <Zakim> +shadi; got it
12:31:31 <JohannesK> zakim, carlosV is really JohannesK
12:31:31 <Zakim> +JohannesK; got it
12:32:48 <Zakim> + +98439aaaa
12:33:01 <shadi> zakim, aaaa is really CarlosI
12:33:01 <Zakim> +CarlosI; got it
12:33:12 <shadi> scribe: CarlosI
12:33:15 <shadi> agenda?
12:34:00 <carlosI> SAZ: any other thing to discuss?
12:34:05 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
12:34:05 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Announcements" taken up [from shadi]
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12:34:39 <carlosI> SAZ: Mike will co-chair the group
12:35:57 <carlosI> SAZ: will be announced soon
12:36:34 <MikeS> zakim, who is on the call?
12:36:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see MikeS, JohannesK, shadi, CarlosI
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12:37:37 <shadi> zakim, take up next
12:37:37 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Comments on HTTP-in-RDF and Content-in-RDF" taken up [from shadi]
12:37:39 <Zakim> +JohannesK.a
12:38:01 <MikeS> zakim, mute me
12:38:01 <Zakim> MikeS should now be muted
12:38:20 <velasco> zakim, JohannesK.a is really CarlosV
12:38:20 <Zakim> sorry, velasco, I do not recognize a party named 'JohannesK.a'
12:39:17 <MikeS> zakim, mute me
12:39:17 <Zakim> MikeS was already muted, MikeS
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12:40:52 <carlosI> SAZ: couple of comments on HTTP-in-RDF and Content-in-RDF
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12:41:22 <carlosI> SAZ: JK do you like to discuss any issue?
12:41:55 <velasco> zakim, johannesk.a is really CarlosV
12:41:55 <Zakim> +CarlosV; got it
12:41:57 <carlosI> JK: wording problems in the comments
12:42:55 <carlosI> JK: SAZ mentioned he will show comments to some semantic web group
12:43:11 <carlosI> SAZ: will try to get somebody for a teleconference
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12:43:28 <carlosI> SAZ: also try to invite them to the F2F
12:44:07 <carlosI> SAZ: if you have specific questions, please let me know
12:44:44 <carlosI> JK: for example the "represent" wording about RDF classes
12:45:10 <carlosI> CV: don't get that comment either
12:45:30 <carlosI> SAZ: try that somebody help us on this, personally or by phone
12:45:46 <Zakim> -shadi
12:46:25 <Zakim> +??P1
12:46:31 <shadi> zakim, ? is me
12:46:31 <Zakim> +shadi; got it
12:46:56 <carlosI> JK: the comment about the literal value in the connectionAuthority example doesn't make sense
12:47:04 <carlosI> JK: it is a literal
12:47:35 <carlosI> JK: the same with the 2.3.1 comment
12:47:44 <shadi> action: try to recruit someone from SemWeb to help us understand some of the comments and issues
12:47:44 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - try
12:48:03 <shadi> action: shadi try to recruit someone from SemWeb to help us understand some of the comments and issues
12:48:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-7 - Try to recruit someone from SemWeb to help us understand some of the comments and issues [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2008-09-24].
12:51:16 <carlosI> SAZ: the same comments apply also to several other documents
12:51:47 <carlosI> CV: are the namespaces published?
12:51:57 <carlosI> CV: at least Content is not
12:52:03 <carlosI> SAZ: should be
12:52:08 <carlosI> SAZ: will check
12:52:53 <carlosI> SAZ: it is #2008
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12:53:53 <shadi>  - <http://www.w3.org/2006/http.rdfs>
12:53:53 <shadi>   # updated by <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/HTTP/http.rdfs>
12:53:53 <shadi>  - <http://www.w3.org/2006/http-header.rdfs>
12:53:53 <shadi>   # updated by <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/HTTP/http-header.rdfs>
12:53:53 <shadi>  - <http://www.w3.org/2008/http-headers.rdf>
12:53:54 <shadi>   # created by <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/HTTP/http-headers.rdf>
12:53:56 <shadi>  - <http://www.w3.org/2008/http-methods.rdf>
12:53:58 <shadi>   # created by <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/HTTP/http-methods.rdf>
12:54:00 <shadi>  - <http://www.w3.org/2008/http-statusCodes.rdf>
12:54:02 <shadi>   # created by <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/HTTP/http-statusCodes.rdf>
12:54:04 <shadi>  - <http://www.w3.org/2008/content.rdfs>
12:54:06 <shadi>   # created by <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/Content/content.rdfs> 
12:54:11 <carlosI> CV: in the document is 2007, but it is published as 2008
12:54:21 <carlosI> JK: will need to update the document
12:56:08 <shadi> action: johannesk update HTTP-in-RDF and Content-in-RDF documents
12:56:08 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - johannesk
12:56:31 <shadi> action: shadi check possibilities for revising HTTP-in-RDF and Content-in-RDF documents
12:56:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-8 - Check possibilities for revising HTTP-in-RDF and Content-in-RDF documents [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2008-09-24].
12:56:50 <shadi> action: jkoch update HTTP-in-RDF and Content-in-RDF documents
12:56:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-9 - Update HTTP-in-RDF and Content-in-RDF documents [on Johannes Koch - due 2008-09-24].
12:59:41 <shadi> action: shadi update FOAF namespace in the EARL 1.0 Schema to the latest version
12:59:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-10 - Update FOAF namespace in the EARL 1.0 Schema to the latest version [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2008-09-24].
13:00:00 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:00:00 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Pointer Rules and Conventions" taken up [from shadi]
13:00:31 <carlosI> JK: issues of Contents still pending of discussion
13:01:11 <carlosI> JK: don't understand question 1
13:01:44 <carlosI> SAZ: could response with thanks and asking for a proposal
13:02:05 <carlosI> CV: maybe GRDDL as an alternative to the Content class
13:02:18 <carlosI> SAZ: feel free to ask for more information
13:02:50 <carlosI> JK: about q2, we use always RDF/XML
13:03:32 <carlosI> SAZ: we had N3 representation of EARL schema but decided not to do it any more
13:03:48 <carlosI> CV: don't think N3 is more human readable
13:04:14 <carlosI> SAZ: depending of the kind of human, RDF humans or the rest of humans :)
13:04:46 <carlosI> SAZ: should continue with RDF/XML as our primary format
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13:05:22 <carlosI> CV: the comment is about examples not the schema
13:05:44 <carlosI> SAZ: could provide also other formats like N3
13:06:07 <carlosI> SAZ: it is somehting we can address at the end
13:06:19 <carlosI> SAZ: let put it in the wish list for now
13:07:39 <carlosI> JK: about q5 I think it is mentioned in one of the use cases
13:08:22 <carlosI> CV: why jump over q3 and q4?
13:08:48 <carlosI> JK: they are disjoint indeed
13:09:30 <carlosI> SAZ: think disjoint in RDF has an special meaning
13:09:48 <carlosI> SAZ: both questions are the opposite
13:10:03 <carlosI> JK: then the first answer is NO and the second is YES
13:10:38 <carlosI> SAZ: I think this is a tricky RDF question and can pospone it until we talk with the RDF guys
13:11:29 <carlosI> SAZ: seems that the allowable meaning is also special for RDF people
13:12:23 <carlosI> JK: q4 could be explained further in the document
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13:16:01 <shadi> scribe: JohannesK
13:16:27 <JohannesK> SAZ: Pointer conventions
13:18:07 <JohannesK> CI: two approaches: 1. more human-friendly approach (which element, 1st character); 2. more parser-friendly (e.g. when parsing of an element is finished)
13:18:51 <JohannesK> CI: several parsers/tools use a certain way of pointing
13:20:15 <JohannesK> SAZ: this is focussed on line/char pointer
13:21:09 <JohannesK> SAZ: XPath pointer should point to most specific element
13:26:11 <shadi> JK: why do we need these convetions?
13:26:42 <shadi> CI: readable way to interpret pointers
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13:27:55 <shadi> CV: can discuss this for long
13:28:14 <shadi> ...shouldn't we make a table to say what most parsers do?
13:28:29 <shadi> CI: we have a specific use case
13:28:46 <shadi> ...for the task force, to point to the same place
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13:33:27 <Zakim> -CarlosV
13:33:27 <velasco> I need to go: bye 
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13:34:22 <carlosI> ACTION: ciglesia to provide examples for other kind of pointers
13:34:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-11 - Provide examples for other kind of pointers [on Carlos Iglesias - due 2008-09-24].
13:34:40 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:34:40 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Response on POWDER drafts" taken up [from shadi]
13:35:52 <carlosI> ACTION: everybody to look at real world examples of pointers usage (parsers and other software)
13:35:52 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - everybody
13:36:03 <shadi> action: Shadi send POWDER comments 1 hour after the call, unless hear otherwise
13:36:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-12 - Send POWDER comments 1 hour after the call, unless hear otherwise [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2008-09-24].
13:36:05 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:36:05 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Agenda Items for Upcoming Meetings" taken up [from shadi]
13:37:11 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:37:11 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Next Meeting" taken up [from shadi]
13:37:34 <shadi> Next Meeting: October 1
13:37:40 <Zakim> -JohannesK
13:37:41 <Zakim> -shadi
13:37:44 <Zakim> -MikeS
13:37:48 <Zakim> -CarlosI
13:37:50 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
13:37:51 <Zakim> Attendees were MikeS, shadi, JohannesK, +98439aaaa, CarlosI, CarlosV
13:39:20 <shadi> zakim, bye
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13:39:33 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
13:39:37 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
13:39:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/17-er-minutes.html shadi
13:39:39 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
13:39:44 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
13:39:44 <RRSAgent> I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/17-er-actions.rdf :
13:39:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: try to recruit someone from SemWeb to help us understand some of the comments and issues [1]
13:39:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/17-er-irc#T12-47-44
13:39:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shadi try to recruit someone from SemWeb to help us understand some of the comments and issues [2]
13:39:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/17-er-irc#T12-48-03
13:39:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: johannesk update HTTP-in-RDF and Content-in-RDF documents [3]
13:39:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/17-er-irc#T12-56-08
13:39:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shadi check possibilities for revising HTTP-in-RDF and Content-in-RDF documents [4]
13:39:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/17-er-irc#T12-56-31
13:39:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jkoch update HTTP-in-RDF and Content-in-RDF documents [5]
13:39:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/17-er-irc#T12-56-50
13:39:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shadi update FOAF namespace in the EARL 1.0 Schema to the latest version [6]
13:39:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/17-er-irc#T12-59-41
13:39:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ciglesia to provide examples for other kind of pointers [7]
13:39:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/17-er-irc#T13-34-22
13:39:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: everybody to look at real world examples of pointers usage (parsers and other software) [8]
13:39:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/17-er-irc#T13-35-52
13:39:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shadi send POWDER comments 1 hour after the call, unless hear otherwise [9]
13:39:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/17-er-irc#T13-36-03