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<trackbot> Date: 11 September 2008
<shepazu> scribe: Doug
<shepazu> scribe: Dave Porter
<JeffSchiller> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-ig/2008JulSep/0053.html
<shepazu> scribeNick: DavePorter
Agenda
Jeff talking about process, new members Andreas,
Andreas: bio: Interactive Mapping GIS
First attended Open 2002 in Zurich
Telecon times didn't fit, so didn't participate immediately,
<shepazu> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/IG/track/
<shepazu> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/
Each w3 group can set up their instance.
Only tracks stuff for us
Web interface plus functionality for telecons.
Doug is demonstrating how to set up an action.
<shepazu> ACTION: shepazu to explain Tracker [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-svgig-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1 - Explain Tracker [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-09-18].
Tracker probably needs to be synched with IRC nicknames, but it already knows about many of us
<shepazu> ACTION: schiller to get the group moving [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-svgig-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2 - Get the group moving [on Jeff Schiller - due 2008-09-18].
Unambiguous string for name, plus assignments like "ACTION:" are recognized
<shepazu> Issue: resolve accessibility issues
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-1 - Resolve accessibility issues ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/IG/track/issues/1/edit .
<shepazu> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc
Person can go to web interface, look at "their" assigns.
Haven't used it, but we'll see how we can use it, encourage members to view it.
Can use it to generate agendas
<shepazu> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/IG/track/actions/1/edit
In another group, we just go thru the actions to status them, and perhaps our products can be tracked this way.
E.g. diffusion curves, 2.5D
Issues vs. Actions
Issues are ongoing and may result in several different actions
Actions are things to do, having a clear closure\
Is this still the right time for our conference call.
Andreas recommends a somewhat later time
Others are OK with the status quo
Doug will try to use a tool to discern a better time, has polling
<scribe> ACTION: Doug to set up poll to set up telecon [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-svgig-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-3 - Set up poll to set up telecon [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-09-18].
Eric Dahlstrom joined
Eric will listen in, and multitask in the background
Which mobile version of Opera supports SVG?
9.5 does it as well
Previous Opera 8 had a plug-in based
<Donald_Doherty> trackbot, status
Getting info out about what the real state of SVG is an important value of this IG.
E.g. editing the wiki about Opera, if someone has experience can do this, please do.
Doug: interesting to see how well and quickly the Iphone performs on SMIL, Javascript
<aneumann> AN: currently the iPhone doesn't support SMIL
<ed_work> opera mini 4 supports svg with limited interactivity (see http://my.opera.com/operamini/blog/show.dml/2163812)
<shepazu> http://www.schepers.cc/svg/iphone/
<shepazu> http://www.schepers.cc/svg/iphone/iScript.svg
Mouseover on the buttons changegs the icon color
Not that well attended, but was very productive &positive on the whole
Around 120 attendees
SVG IG including John Cruze who drives Inkscape
<stelt> Cruz
about 20 went out for dinner, talked for 1.5 hours about SVG-IG
<aneumann> = Jon Cruz
Much was about community site
Andreas: talking about 2009
Location will be CA USA
<JeffSchiller> MountainView, CA
Not definite on location yet
<JeffSchiller> Jon Ferraiolo
<JeffSchiller> heading up OpenAjax Alliance, was author of earlier version of SVG spec, previous employee of Adobe
Mailing list is at yahoo group
<aneumann> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/svgopen2009/
Send E-mail to Andreas if you'd like to be included int he SVG Open mailing list
Doug: suggest we should not be directly involved in facilitating the conference
A number of things are not appropriate for a public channel
Could we engage O'Reilly as a conference sponsor?
Doug thinks that could change the tone and attendees perhaps to a different focus
This would "send a message" that SVG is becoming more important
Tim Berners Lee, chastising Microsoft about non-support for SVG
It's on the wires, picked up by AP
Netscape, Mozilla, Opera, Nokia, SAP
<JeffSchiller> no attendees from Microsoft, Google, Yahoo
<JeffSchiller> (for 2008)
Visio team attended in 2002
Apple has never attended
Jonathan Watt, O'Callahan from Mozilla
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080910/ap_on_hi_te/tec_techbit_web_browsers_2
That's the AP feed on Tim Berners-Lee
Google would be a great candidate sponsor for next year.
Jeff and Andreas in progress of contacting people in various companies and areas
Recommending Andreas to contact Wiley
<scribe> ACTION: Andreas contact O'Reilly to gauge interest in sponsoring SVG Open 2009 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-svgig-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-4 - Contact O'Reilly to gauge interest in sponsoring SVG Open 2009 [on Andreas Neumann - due 2008-09-18].
Lays out why we need a plug in ASAP, presents options
When Chrome was released, do they have a SVG logo, ended up having a discussion
<JeffSchiller> Brad Neuberg
Got Jeff and Brad talking, his mission is to have some impact on the web in the next 6 months, for vector graphics on the web
Interest: some kind of shim to display in IE
FLEX SVG viewer that someone has open sourced
Brad has some intent to join our IG, at some point
Very much a work in progress from Brad's side, Jeff will keep us up to date.
Jeff says Google has experience doing some of these shims (e.g. FLEX)
<JeffSchiller> Flex SVG Viewer: http://labs.zavoo.com/?cat=10
There is a plug in that runs Gecko in IE, Jonathan Watt
<aneumann> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/IG/wiki/SVG_Plugin_for_IE
Had a few concerns, but yet this is publicly distributable
Yes this is OK to redistribute
How well it's deployed, supported, known, trusted is a distinguishing characteristic of the options
<shepazu> (btw, see http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/svgIgTelcon/ for telcon times)
Andreas: Relying on Flash is limiting, e.g. phones
<aneumann> http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/webanalyse-technologien.html
Doug: we should be fine if we run over 60 minutes
This has been a great activity, thanks Andreas
Title element within SVG spec
At the tools level, at the top of the chain, Rob and Jeff worked with Inkscape
Future version will support <Title> tag
Improve the vis and importance of metadata
6 of 6000 images, had doc level title elements
According to a search by Jonathan
Jeff did get commit access to the Inkscape repository, Jeff now has that avenue
Where all the browsers & plug ins are at
Doug: Opera and Batik both display tooltips on mousover
Batik shows both title and desc, while Opera shows only title
The other browsers will show them when xlink is present
Doug still working on the draft, but should be publishing in the next couple of days.
Doug working on clarity in the spec.
This could lead to generating bug reports so the browser / plug in vendors can conform.
Let Jeff know if you'd like to collaborate & help.
Rob looking for ideas for designs.
Settle on a domain name.
Ruud sent out a good list of things to think about.
<shepazu> scribe: Doug
Doug will take over scribing
<shepazu> scribeNick: shepazu
<stelt> Rob, read my thing on svg ig mail ?
<aneumann> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26646919/
DS: will make a report on what was discussed at SVG Open later
<DavePorter> 'bye, everyone and thanks!
JS: need domain name
... but it could live on the domain name now, even in its
current state
<JeffSchiller> stelt: we have discussed it a little bit but we haven't had time to read your thoughts in detail
RR: need content, need design
<JeffSchiller> ACTION: Doug to contact Vodafone designers to see if they can work on the SVG Community site design [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-svgig-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-5 - Contact Vodafone designers to see if they can work on the SVG Community site design [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-09-18].
DS: I think we should release early and not announce yet
<scribe> ACTION: shepazu to contact KDE and Inkscape people about site design [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-svgig-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-6 - Contact KDE and Inkscape people about site design [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-09-18].
<Donald_Doherty> Got to go. Bye!
<JeffSchiller> ACTION: Schiller to lay out tests and implementation matrix to describe state-of-the-art for title/desc [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-svgig-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-7 - Lay out tests and implementation matrix to describe state-of-the-art for title/desc [on Jeff Schiller - due 2008-09-18].
RR: don't know exactly how to
skin Drupal, but can learn if I have a template picture
... shouldn't require SVG to use site (for theme)
<JeffSchiller> JS: any thoughts on a permanent domain home?
<JeffSchiller> JS: planetsvg.org = Shelley Powers, planetsvg.com = Doug
<JeffSchiller> DS: I still would like to get svg.org
<JeffSchiller> RR: what about svg.net or other top-level domains?
<stelt> i prefer svg.org if we can get it
<stelt> not only for the name, but also because of links out there
<stelt> shepazu, you investigated the option of getting svg.org ?
<JeffSchiller> ACTION: shepazu to contact Antoine Quint about svg.org [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-svgig-minutes.html#action08]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-8 - Contact Antoine Quint about svg.org [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-09-18].
<JeffSchiller> ACTION: Schiller to contact Sam Gladstone about svg.net [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/11-svgig-minutes.html#action09]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-9 - Contact Sam Gladstone about svg.net [on Jeff Schiller - due 2008-09-18].
<JeffSchiller> Action schepers find out if there are other international numbers for the telcon
<trackbot> Created ACTION-10 - Find out if there are other international numbers for the telcon [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-09-18].
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