16:06:27 RRSAgent has joined #tt 16:06:27 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/09/10-tt-irc 16:06:29 RRSAgent, make logs public 16:06:31 Zakim, this will be DFXP 16:06:31 ok, trackbot; I see W3C_(VITW)12:00PM scheduled to start 6 minutes ago 16:06:32 Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference 16:06:32 Date: 10 September 2008 16:06:47 Chair: David 16:07:02 ScribeNick: plh 16:07:30 geoff has joined #tt 16:07:33 test test 16:07:37 worky 16:09:02 Topic: Introduction 16:09:12 [going around the table] 16:10:31 Regrets: Dick 16:15:50 sean has joined #tt 16:19:04 ACTION: Philippe to contact Adobe regarding their participation in Timed Text 16:19:04 Created ACTION-1 - Contact Adobe regarding their participation in Timed Text [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2008-09-17]. 16:20:02 Topic: Scribe 16:20:14 next scribe will be Goeff 16:20:39 Topic: Next meeting 16:20:56 David: next week, same day, same time 16:21:10 Glen: I'm in GMT+8 16:22:08 ... 7AM or 8AM in Boston would be better for me 16:22:22 Goeff: I could do 7AM, but 7:30AM 16:23:12 Philippe: can't do 8AM on Wednesdays 16:23:19 ... but could on Fridays 16:23:40 Resolution: Friday, 9AM US/Eastern 16:23:50 ACTION: Philippe to book the Zakimm bridge 16:23:50 Created ACTION-2 - Book the Zakimm bridge [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2008-09-17]. 16:25:01 Topic: Resources 16:25:55 http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/34314/status 16:30:08 Philippe: WGBH, Microsoft, BBC need to rejoin the Group 16:30:54 Geoff: screen subtitling might want to have them as invited expert 16:31:54 Philippe: what about IP? 16:32:41 Glen: they had no knowledge in the past, and they can provide a letter 16:32:48 Philippe: sounds ok to me then 16:33:09 David: EBU was also involved in the past 16:33:34 franz de jong 16:34:12 Sean: also been active in SMPTE as well 16:35:29 ACTION: Philippe to follow up with EBU/Franz De Jong 16:35:29 Created ACTION-3 - Follow up with EBU/Franz De Jong [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2008-09-17]. 16:35:52 ACTION: Philippe to follow up with Screen Subtitling 16:35:52 Created ACTION-4 - Follow up with Screen Subtitling [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2008-09-17]. 16:35:53 action on John Birch? 16:35:53 Sorry, couldn't find user - on 16:36:02 Topic: Editing 16:38:37 Philippe and Glen should sync up 16:40:22 Glen will remain as editor 16:40:32 Topic: WG schedule 16:41:22 David: tight schedule! 16:41:34 Topic: Face-to-face meetings 16:42:00 Sean: unless we have a huge influx of new people, we don't really need one. Maybe after Last Call. 16:42:40 Topic: Initial work 16:43:09 David: Goeff, any thoughts about the dynamic flow processing? 16:43:18 Goeff: I do, but need to post on the list 16:43:41 ACTION: Goeff to send a proposal for the dynamic flow processing 16:43:41 Sorry, couldn't find user - Goeff 16:43:50 trackbot, status 16:44:52 ACTION: Philippe to remain Goeff to send a proposal for the dynamic flow processing 16:44:52 Created ACTION-5 - Remain Goeff to send a proposal for the dynamic flow processing [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2008-09-17]. 16:45:00 s/Remain/Remind/ 16:46:01 Glen: we spent time defining set of features. If we can agree on those sets, we can document that for a presentation processor 16:46:17 ... we can include an other profile that includes all of the features 16:46:42 ... we can also list the requirements for processors 16:47:29 david has joined #tt 16:47:32 ... don't try to remove features from the spec but instead keep them and classify them into compliance mode 16:47:36 i think the problem is in the spelling of my name: GEOFF, nor GOEFF 16:48:36 Philippe: we ought to remove features that are not implemented 16:48:52 Glen: some features were adopted from CSS and XSL, like bidi 16:49:04 ... not of the existing processors support those 16:49:21 ... but there are many other types of processors that implement those 16:49:33 ... in the general case, there are implementations of those features 16:49:54 ... what is the goal? 16:50:40 Philippe: implementation status of DFXP 16:50:54 David: there is also a role as an interchange format 16:51:30 ... we need to be clear on what it mean to be an implementation 16:52:19 Glen: we can easily transform all the features in a target format 16:52:38 ... but it may be difficult to produce a presentation processor for all of them 16:54:07 Philippe: agreed, we'll need to match our implementation requirements with our compliance mode(s). 16:55:06 David: indeed, the presentation role will include a subset of the features 16:55:49 Glen: there are many specifications that do not have presentation processors. 16:56:22 ... conformance requirements for Unicode, but not requirements for Unicode to have all characters being displayed. 16:57:02 ... for features that we identify as information interchange, we define them in semantic terms and we transform those into alternative representations 16:57:17 David: I wonder if we can use the CSS test suite... 16:57:45 Goeff: is the requirement is "to be transformed" or "to be transformed and displayed"? 16:58:06 Glen: HTML if you recall does not define the rendering 16:58:29 ... it would be a disservice to remove features just because we couldn't implement a presentator processor 16:59:12 ... we need a good definition for features and implementations, make a compelling case for that, and act along those lines 17:00:42 ... as long as the feature can be transformed semantically should be sufficient 17:02:25 David: we need to check that the feature has been correctly transformed 17:03:35 Sean: as homework, let's all take a look at the features and classify them "presentation" or "transformation" role 17:03:40 Glen: I did this in the past 17:03:47 ... will dig this out 17:04:18 ... the only feature I'm uncomfortable with is the dynamic flow text 17:04:32 ... if we modify it, I could be more comfortable with it 17:04:47 David: what implementations of DFXP do we have out there? 17:05:34 ... Goeff Magpy, Microsoft work, BBC work, World Airline entertainment association?, ... 17:05:52 Goeff: I'll put a list together for next week 17:06:07 David: also one open source software seems to support DFXP 17:06:56 Philippe: tests/test suite? 17:07:15 Glen: My previous company did put together a test suite in the past 17:07:25 ACTION: Glen to git out the test suite/tests 17:07:25 Sorry, couldn't find user - Glen 17:07:53 ACTION: Philippe to remind Glen about tests/test suite 17:07:54 Created ACTION-6 - Remind Glen about tests/test suite [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2008-09-17]. 17:08:48 -WGBH? 17:09:07 [adjourned] 17:09:09 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/10-tt-minutes.html plh 17:09:11 -Sean 17:09:15 -David 17:10:20 -Glen 17:10:21 -Plh 17:10:22 W3C_(VITW)12:00PM has ended 17:10:24 Attendees were +0154558aaaa, +1.978.852.aabb, +0154558aacc, +1.617.300.aadd, Plh, Sean, David, Glen 18:37:22 Zakim has left #tt 19:16:06 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/10-tt-minutes.html plh 19:17:56 rrsagent, where am I? 19:17:56 See http://www.w3.org/2008/09/10-tt-irc#T19-17-56