IRC log of svg on 2008-09-09
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-svg-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be GA_SVGWG
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- ok, trackbot; I see GA_SVGWG()6:30AM scheduled to start now
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- Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 09 September 2008
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- GA_SVGWG()6:30AM has now started
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- Zakim, ??P0 is me
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- +ed; got it
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- 10:34:33 [anthony]
- Zakim, ??P1 is me
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- +anthony; got it
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- 10:35:08 [ChrisL]
- zakim, ??p2 is me
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- +ChrisL; got it
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- zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see ed, anthony, ChrisL
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- On IRC I see ChrisL, Zakim, RRSAgent, ed, codedread, NH, heycam, ed_work, trackbot, anthony, shepazu
- 10:38:20 [Zakim]
- +Doug_Schepers
- 10:41:01 [ChrisL]
- ScribeNick: ChrisL
- 10:41:02 [ed]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0255.html
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- Chair: Erik
- 10:41:20 [ed]
- http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/2
- 10:41:27 [ChrisL]
- ED: looking over the open actions and issues
- 10:42:23 [ChrisL]
- DS: ACTION-2155 is done
- 10:42:30 [ChrisL]
- close ACTION-2155
- 10:42:31 [trackbot]
- ACTION-2155 Add the keyboard events from DOM 3 Events to an SVGT12 appendix closed
- 10:43:07 [ChrisL]
- ED: ACTION-2159 had some mail recently about loadEnd
- 10:43:32 [ChrisL]
- DS: Those were not on list. Only WG members can post to the list. liaisons whould crosspost to www-svg
- 10:44:06 [ChrisL]
- ED: Looks like loadEnd is being added, not defined when its dispatched, before or after load.
- 10:44:33 [ChrisL]
- CL: Is there any downside to defining the order?
- 10:44:53 [ChrisL]
- ED: WebApps seems to want it before the load event. Need to check current implementations
- 10:44:58 [ChrisL]
- ... fine either way
- 10:45:21 [ChrisL]
- ... progress event might define it differently, would be a problem
- 10:46:02 [ChrisL]
- CL: If there is a risk of conflict with an uncompleted spec, better to defer to progress events
- 10:46:06 [ChrisL]
- ED: Agree
- 10:46:38 [ed]
- http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/svgudom.html#events__ProgressEvent
- 10:46:46 [ChrisL]
- Resolved: leave loadEnd dispach order undefined, add informative link to Progress Events
- 10:47:19 [ChrisL]
- close ACTION-2159
- 10:47:19 [trackbot]
- ACTION-2159 Do progress event name change to Tiny 1.2 closed
- 10:47:46 [ChrisL]
- ED: ACTION-2164 role attr
- 10:48:34 [ChrisL]
- ACTION-2164?
- 10:48:34 [trackbot]
- ACTION-2164 -- Doug Schepers to add 'role' attribute (and informative reference to XHTML Role attribute module) and to change the content model of the title and desc elements to be text -- due 2008-08-30 -- OPEN
- 10:48:34 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2164
- 10:49:20 [ChrisL]
- DS: Feedback is currently being intregrated. role is done, text for title and desc is done, algorithm needs work
- 10:49:34 [ChrisL]
- ACTION-2174?
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- ACTION-2174 -- Erik Dahlström to remove the 'this' keyword binding in the 'handler' element, and investigate if the execution of the handler content is actually like a Function object or if the contents are put in the global scope -- due 2008-08-31 -- OPEN
- 10:49:34 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2174
- 10:50:23 [ChrisL]
- DS: what about adding rel (and rev? but discouraged) for microformats
- 10:50:38 [ChrisL]
- .. would not hurt to add it
- 10:50:47 [ChrisL]
- ED: Just strings?
- 10:51:06 [ChrisL]
- DS; Only allowed on anchors (a elements)
- 10:52:46 [ChrisL]
- CL: Would add interop with microformats, but the microformat code would still need to be told to look in SVG for microformats
- 10:53:41 [ChrisL]
- DS: AUs which already get rel and rev probably dont care on the format, they just look for those attributes
- 10:54:25 [ChrisL]
- CL: Wonder if their code is depending on span (we have tspan)
- 10:54:59 [ChrisL]
- DS: Sloppy software will tolerate the attributes not being on a given tag, just looking for attributes.
- 10:55:31 [ChrisL]
- ... good point of convergence with HTML
- 10:55:51 [ChrisL]
- ... might also help with RDFa
- 10:56:44 [ChrisL]
- ... RDFa is less verbose, too, than RDF/XML
- 10:57:08 [ChrisL]
- CL: In favour of adding rel and rev
- 10:57:24 [ChrisL]
- ED: Impact on spec?
- 10:57:56 [ChrisL]
- DS: Same description as HTML 4 (or 5) and add example taking into account microformats
- 10:58:21 [ChrisL]
- CL: IG might like to discuss microformats in SVG
- 10:59:24 [ChrisL]
- Resolved: Add rel and rev to the SVG a element
- 11:00:06 [ChrisL]
- CL: Since we have xlink:title and also the title element (for machine readable content) so there isn't the overlap
- 11:01:08 [ChrisL]
- (discussion on hint element and aria roles)
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- ACTION: Doug to add rel and rev to the svg 'a' element
- 11:03:09 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-2185 - Add rel and rev to the svg 'a' element [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-09-16].
- 11:03:42 [ChrisL]
- ACTION-2121?
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- ACTION-2121 -- Chris Lilley to respond to Julien on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Jul/0151.html re getURL -- due 2008-07-31 -- OPEN
- 11:03:42 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2121
- 11:06:08 [ChrisL]
- look here /SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/svgudom.html#svg__SVGGlobal
- 11:06:24 [ed]
- http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/svgudom.html#svg__SVGGlobal
- 11:06:34 [ChrisL]
- A.8.21 AsyncURLStatus
- 11:08:26 [ChrisL]
- compare with http://www.w3.org/TR/XMLHttpRequest/#text-response-entity-body
- 11:09:42 [ChrisL]
- ED: fine with a clarification as log as its in sync with XHR
- 11:10:59 [ChrisL]
- ACTION-2121: Change spec to clarify its not just text/*, not just HTTP, and use the specified encoding
- 11:10:59 [trackbot]
- ACTION-2121 Respond to Julien on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Jul/0151.html re getURL notes added
- 11:11:12 [ChrisL]
- ED: Do the commit and we can discuss if its not right
- 11:11:57 [ChrisL]
- ACTION-2099?
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- ACTION-2099 -- Chris Lilley to review the corrections to the mistakes in the attribute index and report back -- due 2008-07-22 -- OPEN
- 11:11:57 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2099
- 11:12:37 [ChrisL]
- ID is in twice, the Perl needs to be modified
- 11:15:00 [ChrisL]
- CL: I am happy t make the table of links to attr definitions, id Anthony fixes the Perl
- 11:15:08 [ChrisL]
- ED: This can be done during last call
- 11:16:09 [ChrisL]
- ACTION: Anthony revise tools/tables/maketables.pl to add attribute definition links and fix duplicate id entry
- 11:16:09 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-2186 - Revise tools/tables/maketables.pl to add attribute definition links and fix duplicate id entry [on Anthony Grasso - due 2008-09-16].
- 11:16:57 [ChrisL]
- close ACTION-2099
- 11:16:57 [trackbot]
- ACTION-2099 Review the corrections to the mistakes in the attribute index and report back closed
- 11:17:06 [ChrisL]
- close ACTION-2174
- 11:17:06 [trackbot]
- ACTION-2174 Remove the 'this' keyword binding in the 'handler' element, and investigate if the execution of the handler content is actually like a Function object or if the contents are put in the global scope closed
- 11:17:15 [ChrisL]
- ACTION-2174?
- 11:17:15 [trackbot]
- ACTION-2174 -- Erik Dahlström to remove the 'this' keyword binding in the 'handler' element, and investigate if the execution of the handler content is actually like a Function object or if the contents are put in the global scope -- due 2008-08-31 -- CLOSED
- 11:17:15 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2174
- 11:17:43 [ChrisL]
- ED: More useful to keep the behaviour in the spec, ikivo implemented per spec, so better to leave it as is
- 11:18:37 [ChrisL]
- ED: ACTION-2148 depends on HTML WG
- 11:19:07 [ChrisL]
- ACTION-2148?
- 11:19:07 [trackbot]
- ACTION-2148 -- Doug Schepers to take up ISSUE-2031 with the HTML WG -- due 2008-08-28 -- OPEN
- 11:19:07 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2148
- 11:19:18 [ChrisL]
- DS: Will talk to Hixie about this
- 11:19:35 [ChrisL]
- Topic: Publication schedule
- 11:20:13 [ChrisL]
- DS: On track for this friday publication. Please ensure actions done. Jules confirmed Friday publication. 4 week last call.
- 11:21:01 [ChrisL]
- ... moratorium before TPAC and also PLH said no way to get w3m processing right before TPAC so he suggests it be discussed during TPAC
- 11:21:15 [ChrisL]
- ... Doug and Chris can do it in person that way, too
- 11:21:35 [ChrisL]
- ... so publish after TPAC
- 11:22:16 [ChrisL]
- ... for press activity, be aware that Thanksgiving in there. Ian Jacobs, head of comms said that a press release is ok for Rec
- 11:22:53 [ChrisL]
- ... press release expected to be helpful for implementors and users
- 11:23:28 [ChrisL]
- ... will check with the JIS people
- 11:24:00 [ChrisL]
- AG: JIS contacted me before this telcon, happy with that schedule and will do japanese translation during November
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- s/japa/Japa/
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- DS: Also contacting JSR-287 folks about this
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- Topic: Test suite
- 11:26:00 [ChrisL]
- AG: Patches mostly complete
- 11:26:26 [ChrisL]
- ... one more day for Andrew and I to complete
- 11:26:50 [ChrisL]
- ... adressing issues on the wii as we go
- 11:27:13 [ChrisL]
- .. comparing refs against opera, biftflash and batick. updating patches as needed.
- 11:27:27 [anthony]
- http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-fonts-04-t.svg
- 11:27:30 [ChrisL]
- AG: this test here has a problem
- 11:28:03 [anthony]
- status="accepted"
- 11:28:10 [anthony]
- approved="no"
- 11:28:46 [ChrisL]
- CL: Unchanged form 1.1, should be approved, description is good
- 11:30:57 [anthony]
- http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-align-202-t.svg
- 11:30:58 [ChrisL]
- AG: also this one
- 11:31:12 [anthony]
- http://members.iinet.net.au/~ossarga/text-align-202-t/
- 11:32:25 [ChrisL]
- inkscape is correct
- 11:33:23 [ChrisL]
- but I want to check with someone that knows arabic
- 11:35:54 [ChrisL]
- ED: So publishing the spec by friday
- 11:38:12 [ChrisL]
- DS: Better to have a dated version so implementors know what they tested against
- 11:39:46 [ChrisL]
- CL: Need to check with no keyword substitution
- 11:40:48 [ChrisL]
- ACTION: Chris ensure test suite published on Friday
- 11:40:48 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-2187 - Ensure test suite published on Friday [on Chris Lilley - due 2008-09-16].
- 11:41:14 [ChrisL]
- zakim, list attendees
- 11:41:14 [Zakim]
- As of this point the attendees have been ed, anthony, ChrisL, Doug_Schepers
- 11:41:59 [ChrisL]
- DS: rev is deprecated, maybee just add rel not rev
- 11:42:14 [ChrisL]
- ACTION: Chris ask Tantek for advice on adding rev
- 11:42:14 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-2188 - Ask Tantek for advice on adding rev [on Chris Lilley - due 2008-09-16].
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- -Doug_Schepers
- 11:42:31 [ChrisL]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-svg-minutes.html ChrisL
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- -anthony
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- -ed
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- -ChrisL
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- GA_SVGWG()6:30AM has ended
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- Attendees were ed, anthony, ChrisL, Doug_Schepers
- 11:44:59 [ed]
- http://intertwingly.net/blog/2008/09/07/SVG-via-CSS
- 11:48:17 [anthony]
- Zakim, bye
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- 11:48:24 [anthony]
- interesting blog
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- Did I miss the meeting?
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- heycam: this is a bit odd... http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/svgudom.html.diff?r1=1.109&r2=1.110&f=h
- 12:58:48 [ChrisL]
- anthony, http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-align-202-t.svg has a problem. i'm trying to get it resolved. in may result in the revision number incrementing
- 12:59:41 [ed]
- heycam: I'm regenerating the udom, and the udom.idd file does look ok, and it did generate a correct svgudom.html page before...as you can see from the previous commit, http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/svgudom.html.diff?r1=1.108&r2=1.109&f=h
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