IRC log of mediaann on 2008-09-09

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11:49:05 [raphael]

raphael has changed the topic to: W3C Media Annotations WG - Telecon 09-09-2008, 13:00 UTC

11:49:15 [raphael]

zakim, list conferences

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I see no active conferences

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scheduled at this time are ARCH_Team()8:00AM, UW_Team()8:00AM, GA_SVGWG()6:30AM

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raphael, we're one hour early, aren't we?

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This is Daniel Park charing of this WG...anybody on the IRC now ?

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hi Raphael, thanks your kind help...

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meeting: Media Annotations Working Group

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chair: Felix

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scribe: raphael

12:53:35 [raphael]

zakim, list conferences

12:53:35 [Zakim]

I see UW_Team()8:00AM active

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also scheduled at this time are IA_MAWG()9:00AM, TAG_(AWWSW)9:00AM, WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM, MM_InkML()9:00AM, IA_CDFWG()8:30AM, ARCH_Team()8:00AM, Team_(owlc)12:34Z,

12:53:38 [Zakim]

... Team_Offices()9:00AM

12:53:44 [fsasaki]

agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Sep/0002.html

12:53:55 [raphael]

zakim, this is IA_MAWG()9:00AM

12:53:55 [Zakim]

raphael, I see IA_MAWG()9:00AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be IA_MAWG()9:00AM".

12:54:02 [raphael]

zakim, this will be IA_MAWG()9:00AM

12:54:02 [Zakim]

ok, raphael; I see IA_MAWG()9:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes

12:54:37 [raphael]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html raphael

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IA_MAWG()9:00AM has now started

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present: daniel, raphael, tobias, felix

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+ +49.861.209.aaaa

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+Felix

12:56:55 [tobiasbuerger]

Zakim, aaaa is me

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+tobiasbuerger; got it

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-Felix

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-tobiasbuerger

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+tobiasbuerger

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+Felix

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+[CWI]

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zakim, [CWI] is raphael

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+raphael; got it

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+[VrijeUni]

12:59:11 [raphael]

zakim, [VrijeUni] is Veronique

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+Veronique; got it

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Zakim, Veronique is VeroniqueMalaise

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+VeroniqueMalaise; got it

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present+ Veronique

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present+ erik

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+ +0329331aabb

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zakim, +0329331aabb is erik

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+erik; got it

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+Phil_Archer

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present+ phil_archer

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+??P8

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Topic: 1. Introductions

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+Plh

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present+ Philippe

13:05:22 [raphael]

Felix and Daniel welcome everybody

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ACTION: all to write a short introduction on the public mailing list

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Sorry, couldn't find user - all

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Topic: 2. Selection of scribe

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There will be a scribelist, alphabetically sorted

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Once one has scribbed, he goes down on the list

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Topic: 3. Future telephone conferences

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Questionaire sent to the list by Felix

13:08:49 [raphael]

The time seems to be OK, i.e. 13:00 UTC

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Nobody from the US West Coast yet ...

13:10:22 [raphael]

Tuesday is the best day

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Frequency: weekly telecon

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APPROVED: telecon every Tuesday, 13:00 UTC

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Topic: 4. Call for co-chair

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ACTION: Felix to book the bridge for the weekly telecon

13:11:49 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-1 - Book the bridge for the weekly telecon [on Felix Sasaki - due 2008-09-16].

13:12:26 [raphael]

Current alternative chairs are Felix (also team contact) and Daniel

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Call for volunteers for co-chairing

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... should contact Daniel and Felix first

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Topic: 5. Resources

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Felix goes from the list of current resources

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... The group will work on public

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q+ to ask if there's a member-only list as well?

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... charter, mailing list, homepage

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ack me

13:13:54 [Zakim]

PhilA, you wanted to ask if there's a member-only list as well?

13:13:59 [raphael]

Phil: is there a member mailing list?

13:14:12 [raphael]

So far, only a public mailing list

13:14:36 [PhilA]

ack ver

13:15:05 [raphael]

Good standing requirement

13:15:20 [raphael]

Felix asks for whom is the first participation in a WG

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Daniel and Veronique: first time

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IBBT: they participate in XG before

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Felix gives a brief estimate: one working day for each participant, 2 days for editors

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Topic: 6. WG Tools

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We are using IRC, Zakim, RRSAgent, and tracker

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Felix encourages participants to look at the manual of these bots

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... mandatory for the scribe

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... any questions, contact Felix

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... also plan to use bugzilla

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... bugzilla takes some time to use it

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... enter real issues in the system, but discuss them first on the mailing list

13:21:34 [raphael]

ACTION: Felix to give a cvs access to Daniel and to the editors

13:21:34 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-2 - Give a cvs access to Daniel and to the editors [on Felix Sasaki - due 2008-09-16].

13:21:45 [raphael]

Topic: 7. Editing

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We want to set up an XML based environment for editing the specs

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... not force to use JAVA Eclipse

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... a new version of Eclipse will be installed by Felix and/or Phil

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... more up-to-date information soon

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Editing location is: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2008/

13:23:37 [raphael]

Felix goes through the list of the documents the group will produce

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The group will start with the Requirements and Use Cases

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ACTION: Felix to prepare the editing environment including templates, directories, etc.

13:24:50 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-3 - Prepare the editing environment including templates, directories, etc. [on Felix Sasaki - due 2008-09-16].

13:25:44 [raphael]

From previous experiences, the group plans to have the whole team as editors

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... a list of authors will also be provided

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Call for volunteers for being editors

13:26:36 [PhilA]

zakim, mute me

13:26:36 [Zakim]

Phil_Archer should now be muted

13:26:43 [PhilA]

ack me

13:27:05 [raphael]

... email Daniel and Felix, and state your experience in editing previous specs

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... declare you asap, so Felix can prepare the editing environment

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Topic: 8. Working Group schedule

13:28:08 [raphael]

Publication of an initial WD or requirements document around TPAC

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... publication just after TPAC

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PhilA: Seems an ambitious schedule

13:29:57 [raphael]

Felix: some work already done, from the Multimedia XG

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... people from this group might be knowledgable enough to get some actions and push the work for a first WD

13:30:58 [raphael]

Daniel: to which document we are talking about?

13:31:07 [raphael]

Felix: we are talking about the Requirements document

13:31:31 [raphael]

From the charter: A W3C Working Group Note for use cases and requirements for the Media Ontology

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First F2F meeting: Thu-Fri Oct 23-24, at W3C TPAC 2008, http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/Schedule.html

13:32:12 [PhilA]

sadly that clashes with POWDER...

13:32:23 [raphael]

Raphael: quick poll who will attend

13:32:29 [raphael]

Raphael will

13:32:32 [VeroniqueMalaise]

Veronique

13:32:37 [tobiasbuerger]

one day clashes with another meeting

13:32:38 [davy]

Davy will

13:32:39 [erik]

will

13:32:40 [fsasaki]

Felix will attend TPAC meeting

13:32:47 [PhilA]

I will be there but only able to meet in the bar probably

13:33:08 [raphael]

Plan for a second F2F meeting

13:33:15 [raphael]

... target December

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... most likely 1st week

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... Daniel will favor Europe

13:36:46 [raphael]

Raphael: contact the organizers of SAMT'08, possible meeting on 1st and 2nd of December in Koblenz (Germany)

13:37:07 [raphael]

... fallback plan: meeting in Amsterdam or Belgium on Dec 8th and 9th

13:37:24 [raphael]

Topic: 9. Initial work item from the charter

13:38:29 [raphael]

Felix asks if there is any volunteer for picking one of the standards mentioned in the charter and write a paragraph summarizing the requirements and coverage of these standards ?

13:39:13 [raphael]

... not only the standards, but the various formats, as a follow up of the Multimedia Semantics XG

13:40:18 [raphael]

ACTION: VeroniqueMalaise to pull out requirements of one standard (to be decided which)

13:40:18 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - VeroniqueMalaise

13:40:26 [erik]

so could MMLab (Davy & Erik)

13:40:42 [raphael]

ACTION: Erik to pull out requirements of one standard (to be decided which)

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Sorry, couldn't find user - Erik

13:41:27 [raphael]

Felix clarifies: not be tigh to the XG document

13:41:37 [PhilA]

q+

13:41:47 [raphael]

Phil: Send also use cases we have in mind to the list

13:41:49 [PhilA]

ack me

13:42:22 [raphael]

PhilA: don't know yet if I can commit to do some work, want to know what would be the use cases

13:43:02 [raphael]

... is the target of this group also to make the video watching safer, particularly for young people?

13:43:18 [raphael]

... unclear what the scope is

13:44:05 [raphael]

Felix: feel free to send all use cases you have in mind, it does not commit you to actually implement it

13:44:45 [erik]

q+

13:45:14 [raphael]

Phil: the charter mentions also some mappings between the ontology and existing standards

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... which ones should we consider?

13:45:44 [raphael]

Raphael: obvious ... IPTC, XMP, EXIF, EBU

13:46:04 [davy]

MPEG-7

13:46:07 [raphael]

... to some extent: MPEG-7? EXIF

13:46:20 [plh]

IPTC, XMP, EXIF, MPEG-7

13:46:41 [PhilA]

Forgive my ignorance but does that include things I get with .wmv or .mpg files?

13:47:54 [raphael]

ACTION: ALL to check that the list will cover the various formats

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Sorry, couldn't find user - ALL

13:49:02 [fsasaki]

ack er

13:49:38 [tobiasbuerger]

I think we shouldn't forget about audio specific formats like ID3 or musicBrainz; the charter explicitely mentions audio

13:49:40 [raphael]

Erik: problem of the past Multimedia Semantics XG was that there were not enough industrial partners, and over representation of academics

13:49:50 [raphael]

+1 Tobias

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Phil: Adobe will make a call ... W3C is working on bringing more industrials

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ACTION: ALL to check if there is standards/formats that you would like to NOT be considered

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Sorry, couldn't find user - ALL

13:52:48 [spark3]

thanks a lot Raphael

13:52:59 [Zakim]

-Phil_Archer

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-Felix

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-Plh

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-erik

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-tobiasbuerger

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-VeroniqueMalaise

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-raphael

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html raphael

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+daniel

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q

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IA_MAWG()9:00AM has ended

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Attendees were +49.861.209.aaaa, Felix, tobiasbuerger, raphael, VeroniqueMalaise, erik, Phil_Archer, daniel, Plh

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present: tobiasbuerger, raphael, VeroniqueMalaise, erik, Phil_Archer, daniel, Plh, Felix, davy

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: all to write a short introduction on the public mailing list [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-irc#T13-06-12

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ACTION: Felix to book the bridge for the weekly telecon [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-irc#T13-11-49

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ACTION: Felix to give a cvs access to Daniel and to the editors [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-irc#T13-21-34

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ACTION: Felix to prepare the editing environment including templates, directories, etc. [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-irc#T13-24-50

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ACTION: VeroniqueMalaise to pull out requirements of one standard (to be decided which) [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-irc#T13-40-18

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ACTION: Erik to pull out requirements of one standard (to be decided which) [6]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-irc#T13-40-42

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ACTION: ALL to check that the list will cover the various formats [7]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-irc#T13-47-54

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ACTION: ALL to check if there is standards/formats that you would like to NOT be considered [8]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-irc#T13-51-52

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zakim, bye

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