11:47:53 RRSAgent has joined #mediaann 11:47:53 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-irc 11:49:05 raphael has changed the topic to: W3C Media Annotations WG - Telecon 09-09-2008, 13:00 UTC 11:49:15 zakim, list conferences 11:49:15 I see no active conferences 11:49:16 scheduled at this time are ARCH_Team()8:00AM, UW_Team()8:00AM, GA_SVGWG()6:30AM 11:55:01 davy has joined #mediaann 11:58:44 emannens has joined #mediaann 12:01:19 raphael has joined #mediaann 12:01:26 emannens has joined #mediaann 12:02:07 raphael, we're one hour early, aren't we? 12:23:39 spark3 has joined #mediaann 12:24:18 This is Daniel Park charing of this WG...anybody on the IRC now ? 12:46:59 hi Raphael, thanks your kind help... 12:49:43 fsasaki has joined #mediaann 12:53:08 meeting: Media Annotations Working Group 12:53:10 chair: Felix 12:53:15 scribe: raphael 12:53:35 zakim, list conferences 12:53:35 I see UW_Team()8:00AM active 12:53:36 also scheduled at this time are IA_MAWG()9:00AM, TAG_(AWWSW)9:00AM, WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM, MM_InkML()9:00AM, IA_CDFWG()8:30AM, ARCH_Team()8:00AM, Team_(owlc)12:34Z, 12:53:38 ... Team_Offices()9:00AM 12:53:44 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2008Sep/0002.html 12:53:55 zakim, this is IA_MAWG()9:00AM 12:53:55 raphael, I see IA_MAWG()9:00AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be IA_MAWG()9:00AM". 12:54:02 zakim, this will be IA_MAWG()9:00AM 12:54:02 ok, raphael; I see IA_MAWG()9:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes 12:54:37 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:54:37 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html raphael 12:55:23 tobiasbuerger has joined #mediaann 12:56:35 IA_MAWG()9:00AM has now started 12:56:37 present: daniel, raphael, tobias, felix 12:56:43 + +49.861.209.aaaa 12:56:51 +Felix 12:56:55 Zakim, aaaa is me 12:56:56 +tobiasbuerger; got it 12:57:01 -Felix 12:57:05 -tobiasbuerger 12:57:05 +tobiasbuerger 12:57:05 +Felix 12:57:26 davy has joined #mediaann 12:57:30 VeroniqueMalaise has joined #mediaann 12:58:23 +[CWI] 12:58:28 emannens has joined #mediaann 12:58:34 zakim, [CWI] is raphael 12:58:34 +raphael; got it 12:58:44 +[VrijeUni] 12:59:11 zakim, [VrijeUni] is Veronique 12:59:11 +Veronique; got it 12:59:17 erik has joined #mediaann 12:59:36 Zakim, Veronique is VeroniqueMalaise 12:59:36 +VeroniqueMalaise; got it 13:00:07 present+ Veronique 13:00:26 present+ erik 13:00:27 + +0329331aabb 13:00:28 PhilA has joined #mediaann 13:00:57 zakim, +0329331aabb is erik 13:00:57 +erik; got it 13:01:15 +Phil_Archer 13:01:27 present+ phil_archer 13:02:36 +??P8 13:04:32 Topic: 1. Introductions 13:04:39 plh has joined #mediaann 13:04:46 +Plh 13:04:52 present+ Philippe 13:05:22 Felix and Daniel welcome everybody 13:06:12 ACTION: all to write a short introduction on the public mailing list 13:06:12 Sorry, couldn't find user - all 13:06:46 Topic: 2. Selection of scribe 13:07:52 There will be a scribelist, alphabetically sorted 13:08:03 Once one has scribbed, he goes down on the list 13:08:15 Topic: 3. Future telephone conferences 13:08:31 Questionaire sent to the list by Felix 13:08:49 The time seems to be OK, i.e. 13:00 UTC 13:09:28 Nobody from the US West Coast yet ... 13:10:22 Tuesday is the best day 13:10:39 Frequency: weekly telecon 13:10:53 APPROVED: telecon every Tuesday, 13:00 UTC 13:11:33 Topic: 4. Call for co-chair 13:11:49 ACTION: Felix to book the bridge for the weekly telecon 13:11:49 Created ACTION-1 - Book the bridge for the weekly telecon [on Felix Sasaki - due 2008-09-16]. 13:12:26 Current alternative chairs are Felix (also team contact) and Daniel 13:12:36 Call for volunteers for co-chairing 13:12:52 ... should contact Daniel and Felix first 13:13:02 Topic: 5. Resources 13:13:24 Felix goes from the list of current resources 13:13:30 ... The group will work on public 13:13:33 q+ to ask if there's a member-only list as well? 13:13:50 ... charter, mailing list, homepage 13:13:54 ack me 13:13:54 PhilA, you wanted to ask if there's a member-only list as well? 13:13:59 Phil: is there a member mailing list? 13:14:12 So far, only a public mailing list 13:14:36 ack ver 13:15:05 Good standing requirement 13:15:20 Felix asks for whom is the first participation in a WG 13:15:37 Daniel and Veronique: first time 13:15:47 IBBT: they participate in XG before 13:16:14 Felix gives a brief estimate: one working day for each participant, 2 days for editors 13:16:54 Topic: 6. WG Tools 13:17:20 We are using IRC, Zakim, RRSAgent, and tracker 13:17:33 Felix encourages participants to look at the manual of these bots 13:17:42 ... mandatory for the scribe 13:18:37 ... any questions, contact Felix 13:19:28 ... also plan to use bugzilla 13:19:54 ... bugzilla takes some time to use it 13:20:22 ... enter real issues in the system, but discuss them first on the mailing list 13:21:34 ACTION: Felix to give a cvs access to Daniel and to the editors 13:21:34 Created ACTION-2 - Give a cvs access to Daniel and to the editors [on Felix Sasaki - due 2008-09-16]. 13:21:45 Topic: 7. Editing 13:22:08 We want to set up an XML based environment for editing the specs 13:22:19 ... not force to use JAVA Eclipse 13:22:48 ... a new version of Eclipse will be installed by Felix and/or Phil 13:22:59 ... more up-to-date information soon 13:23:13 Editing location is: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2008/ 13:23:37 Felix goes through the list of the documents the group will produce 13:24:05 The group will start with the Requirements and Use Cases 13:24:50 ACTION: Felix to prepare the editing environment including templates, directories, etc. 13:24:50 Created ACTION-3 - Prepare the editing environment including templates, directories, etc. [on Felix Sasaki - due 2008-09-16]. 13:25:44 From previous experiences, the group plans to have the whole team as editors 13:26:06 ... a list of authors will also be provided 13:26:33 Call for volunteers for being editors 13:26:36 zakim, mute me 13:26:36 Phil_Archer should now be muted 13:26:43 ack me 13:27:05 ... email Daniel and Felix, and state your experience in editing previous specs 13:27:26 ... declare you asap, so Felix can prepare the editing environment 13:27:44 Topic: 8. Working Group schedule 13:28:08 Publication of an initial WD or requirements document around TPAC 13:28:36 ... publication just after TPAC 13:29:30 PhilA: Seems an ambitious schedule 13:29:57 Felix: some work already done, from the Multimedia XG 13:30:21 ... people from this group might be knowledgable enough to get some actions and push the work for a first WD 13:30:58 Daniel: to which document we are talking about? 13:31:07 Felix: we are talking about the Requirements document 13:31:31 From the charter: A W3C Working Group Note for use cases and requirements for the Media Ontology 13:32:04 First F2F meeting: Thu-Fri Oct 23-24, at W3C TPAC 2008, http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/Schedule.html 13:32:12 sadly that clashes with POWDER... 13:32:23 Raphael: quick poll who will attend 13:32:29 Raphael will 13:32:32 Veronique 13:32:37 one day clashes with another meeting 13:32:38 Davy will 13:32:39 will 13:32:40 Felix will attend TPAC meeting 13:32:47 I will be there but only able to meet in the bar probably 13:33:08 Plan for a second F2F meeting 13:33:15 ... target December 13:33:26 ... most likely 1st week 13:34:50 ... Daniel will favor Europe 13:36:46 Raphael: contact the organizers of SAMT'08, possible meeting on 1st and 2nd of December in Koblenz (Germany) 13:37:07 ... fallback plan: meeting in Amsterdam or Belgium on Dec 8th and 9th 13:37:24 Topic: 9. Initial work item from the charter 13:38:29 Felix asks if there is any volunteer for picking one of the standards mentioned in the charter and write a paragraph summarizing the requirements and coverage of these standards ? 13:39:13 ... not only the standards, but the various formats, as a follow up of the Multimedia Semantics XG 13:40:18 ACTION: VeroniqueMalaise to pull out requirements of one standard (to be decided which) 13:40:18 Sorry, couldn't find user - VeroniqueMalaise 13:40:26 so could MMLab (Davy & Erik) 13:40:42 ACTION: Erik to pull out requirements of one standard (to be decided which) 13:40:42 Sorry, couldn't find user - Erik 13:41:27 Felix clarifies: not be tigh to the XG document 13:41:37 q+ 13:41:47 Phil: Send also use cases we have in mind to the list 13:41:49 ack me 13:42:22 PhilA: don't know yet if I can commit to do some work, want to know what would be the use cases 13:43:02 ... is the target of this group also to make the video watching safer, particularly for young people? 13:43:18 ... unclear what the scope is 13:44:05 Felix: feel free to send all use cases you have in mind, it does not commit you to actually implement it 13:44:45 q+ 13:45:14 Phil: the charter mentions also some mappings between the ontology and existing standards 13:45:21 ... which ones should we consider? 13:45:44 Raphael: obvious ... IPTC, XMP, EXIF, EBU 13:46:04 MPEG-7 13:46:07 ... to some extent: MPEG-7? EXIF 13:46:20 IPTC, XMP, EXIF, MPEG-7 13:46:41 Forgive my ignorance but does that include things I get with .wmv or .mpg files? 13:47:54 ACTION: ALL to check that the list will cover the various formats 13:47:54 Sorry, couldn't find user - ALL 13:49:02 ack er 13:49:38 I think we shouldn't forget about audio specific formats like ID3 or musicBrainz; the charter explicitely mentions audio 13:49:40 Erik: problem of the past Multimedia Semantics XG was that there were not enough industrial partners, and over representation of academics 13:49:50 +1 Tobias 13:50:11 Phil: Adobe will make a call ... W3C is working on bringing more industrials 13:51:52 ACTION: ALL to check if there is standards/formats that you would like to NOT be considered 13:51:52 Sorry, couldn't find user - ALL 13:52:48 thanks a lot Raphael 13:52:59 -Phil_Archer 13:53:00 -Felix 13:53:01 -Plh 13:53:02 -erik 13:53:03 -tobiasbuerger 13:53:05 -VeroniqueMalaise 13:53:07 -raphael 13:53:08 PhilA has left #mediaann 13:53:11 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:53:11 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html raphael 13:54:15 +daniel 13:54:25 q 13:55:20 IA_MAWG()9:00AM has ended 13:55:21 Attendees were +49.861.209.aaaa, Felix, tobiasbuerger, raphael, VeroniqueMalaise, erik, Phil_Archer, daniel, Plh 13:56:53 present: tobiasbuerger, raphael, VeroniqueMalaise, erik, Phil_Archer, daniel, Plh, Felix, davy 13:56:58 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki 15:04:58 rrsagent, bye 15:04:58 I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-actions.rdf : 15:04:58 ACTION: all to write a short introduction on the public mailing list [1] 15:04:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-irc#T13-06-12 15:04:58 ACTION: Felix to book the bridge for the weekly telecon [2] 15:04:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-irc#T13-11-49 15:04:58 ACTION: Felix to give a cvs access to Daniel and to the editors [3] 15:04:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-irc#T13-21-34 15:04:58 ACTION: Felix to prepare the editing environment including templates, directories, etc. [4] 15:04:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-irc#T13-24-50 15:04:58 ACTION: VeroniqueMalaise to pull out requirements of one standard (to be decided which) [5] 15:04:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-irc#T13-40-18 15:04:58 ACTION: Erik to pull out requirements of one standard (to be decided which) [6] 15:04:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-irc#T13-40-42 15:04:58 ACTION: ALL to check that the list will cover the various formats [7] 15:04:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-irc#T13-47-54 15:04:58 ACTION: ALL to check if there is standards/formats that you would like to NOT be considered [8] 15:04:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mediaann-irc#T13-51-52 15:05:02 zakim, bye 15:05:28 Zakim has left #mediaann