18:04:11 RRSAgent has joined #sml 18:04:11 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-sml-irc 18:04:31 +Sandy 18:04:33 zakim, who's here? 18:04:33 On the phone I see JArwe, Sandy 18:04:33 On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Sandy, johnarwe_, MSM, trackbot 18:06:26 +Kumar 18:06:33 Kumar has joined #sml 18:06:52 zakim, please call MSM-617 18:06:52 ok, MSM; the call is being made 18:06:54 +MSM 18:07:10 zakim, who's here? 18:07:10 On the phone I see JArwe, Sandy, Kumar, MSM 18:07:11 On IRC I see Kumar, RRSAgent, Zakim, Sandy, johnarwe_, MSM, trackbot 18:07:24 meeting: W3C SML Teleconference of 2008-09-04 18:07:35 scribenick: Sandy 18:07:40 scribe: Sandy Gao 18:07:51 chair: John Arwe 18:08:44 regrets: Ginny, Kirk, Pratul, Jim, Julia 18:09:05 topic: Approval of minutes from previous meeting 18:09:31 RESOLUTION: approve meeting minutes for 2008-08-28 telecon at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Sep/att-0003/2008-08-28-minutes.htm 18:09:49 topic: End date for the 2nd LC review period 18:10:43 John: 3 weeks minimum. Earliest is Oct. 3. 18:12:44 John: optimistic that QT and Schema groups will not have major issues with the 2nd LC draft. 18:13:10 RESOLUTION: Use Oct. 3 as the LC review end date. 18:13:37 topic: Review open action items 18:16:57 John: Action 137. May need another volunteer to write up the proposal, given that schema LC review period ends in 8 days. 18:17:57 Kumar: need to talk to Pratul to find out what to do. 18:20:55 Kumar: {ersonally, don't care whether xsd 1.1 aligns with SML's decision about identity constraints and substitution groups, but will check with Pratul and report back. 18:22:43 s/{erson/person 18:22:48 rrsagent, make log public 18:22:53 rrsagent, generate minutes 18:22:53 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-sml-minutes.html Sandy 18:24:02 MSM: action 190 still open, will assign a new due date. 18:24:18 MSM: Action 192 can be closed. Overtaken by events. 18:24:43 topic: bug 5998 18:25:01 Kumar: open for LC publication changes. will close it when LC is issued. 18:25:12 RESOLUTION: mark bug 5998 editorial 18:26:02 topic: bug 5543 18:26:49 John: Henry is OK with current draft. Need to remove "decided" keyword. Change "reviewerNotSatisfied" to "reviewerSatisfied". 18:27:10 RESOLUTION: remove "decided" keyword. Change "reviewerNotSatisfied" to "reviewerSatisfied", on bug 5543. 18:28:38 topic: bug 5562 18:30:33 John: Henry has not responded. 18:30:51 topic: Test cases and call for implementation 18:32:35 John: COSMOS took the pre-submission tests and updated them to keep up with the spec, with new tests added to test new features like SchemaBinding. Tests stored in COSMOS CVS. 18:33:09 John: Any potential problems with tests stored in other repositories than W3C CVS? 18:33:12 None heard. 18:33:37 John: any other sources of test cases? 18:34:45 John: currently probably 150 tests. Some may not quafily as inter-op tests, as they test optional features. 18:36:42 http://wiki.eclipse.org/COSMOS_SML_Test_Plan 18:37:39 [Am I right to think that the repository itself is at http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/org.eclipse.cosmos/?root=Technology_Project ?] 18:38:56 s/bug 5998/bug 5998 second LC draft publication related editorial changes 18:39:13 s/bug 5543/bug 5543 SML URI seems overconstrained 18:39:29 s/bug 5562/bug 5562 SML should define an XHTML href Reference Scheme 18:39:36 rrsagent, generate minutes 18:39:36 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-sml-minutes.html Sandy 18:39:59 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Sep/0004.html 18:40:05 rrsagent, generate minutes 18:40:05 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-sml-minutes.html Sandy 18:41:20 Kumar: MS tests are very focused on particular functions, like unit tests. The format is not in IF. 18:41:36 Kumar: I looked at COSMOS tests. They seem to cover everything. 18:42:22 Kumar: the test plan I sent earlier suggested that we need tests for mandatory features, but tests for other features can be optional. 18:42:45 MSM: I think we need test coverage for optional features, otherwise there is no evidence that the optional features are implementable. 18:44:16 Kumar: one danger there is that Microsoft has no intention to implement the optional features. It would mean that COSMOS will have to implement all the optional features. 18:45:07 MSM: the spec can't exit CR if there are features (optional or not) that don't have any implementation. 18:47:20 MSM: there are multiple goals for the tests. It's both for inter-op, but also implementability. It's possible that there need to be 2 impls, even for optional features. 18:48:05 John: COSMOS's intention is to implement all features, including optional ones. 18:48:59 John: So it sounds like we need test coverage for optional features. 18:51:36 John: COSMOS did try to make sure that all features in the spec are covered in the tests. 18:52:33 John: when the test suite includes tests for optional features, need to decide what to do with implementations that don't support the otional features. 18:53:18 MSM: may be able to lear from QT, who has a similar situation with regard to tests for optional features. 18:54:30 sl/ear/learn/ 18:54:40 s/lear/learn/ 18:54:48 John: maybe we should ask people to read the earlier test plan proposal from Kumar and discuss it next week. 18:55:11 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Apr/0062.html 18:55:13 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Apr/0062.html 18:55:54 rrsagent, generate minutes 18:55:54 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-sml-minutes.html Sandy 18:57:42 s/to lear/to learn 18:58:41 in addition to kumar's email there was some discussion lasting at least into early may, e.g. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008May/0023.html 19:01:20 John: I've read schema 1.1 LC draft and opened bugs. SML WG can decide whether to endorse some of them. 19:01:49 further homework for next week: does the wg wish to endorse, as a wg, any of the following bugs opened against schema 1.1 ? http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6009 through http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6015 19:04:18 -Kumar 19:04:32 rrsagent, generate minutes 19:04:32 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-sml-minutes.html Sandy 19:04:54 bye zakim 19:04:57 zakim, bye 19:04:57 leaving. As of this point the attendees were JArwe, Sandy, Kumar, MSM 19:04:57 Zakim has left #sml 19:05:06 rrsagent, generate minutes 19:05:06 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-sml-minutes.html Sandy 19:05:39 rrsagent, bye 19:05:39 I see no action items