IRC log of emotion on 2008-09-04

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13:54:58 [RRSAgent]
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logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-emotion-irc
13:55:06 [marc]
zakim, this will be INC_EMOXG
13:55:06 [Zakim]
ok, marc; I see INC_EMOXG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
13:56:35 [cgi-irc]
hello marc
13:56:48 [cgi-irc]
just you and me then?
13:57:25 [Zakim]
INC_EMOXG()10:00AM has now started
13:57:32 [Zakim]
+??P3
13:57:49 [cgi-irc]
zakim, I am +??P3
13:57:49 [Zakim]
sorry, cgi-irc, I do not see a party named '+??P3'
13:58:01 [marc]
cgi-irc, who are you?
13:58:17 [cgi-irc]
oops
13:58:26 [Idoia]
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13:58:47 [marc]
Hi Björn!
13:58:52 [Ian]
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13:59:06 [Idoia]
Hi all!
13:59:10 [Ian]
zakim, I am +??P3
13:59:10 [Zakim]
sorry, Ian, I do not see a party named '+??P3'
13:59:23 [Zakim]
+ +04989aaaa
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+??P7
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+??P9
13:59:54 [Bjoern]
Zakim, I am aaaa
13:59:54 [Zakim]
+Bjoern; got it
14:00:03 [Zakim]
+Paolo_Baggia
14:00:24 [Christian]
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+Myriam_Arrue
14:01:05 [marc]
zakim, who is speaking?
14:01:10 [paolo]
zakim, who is here?
14:01:10 [Zakim]
On the phone I see ??P3, Bjoern, ??P7, ??P9 (muted), Paolo_Baggia, Myriam_Arrue
14:01:13 [Zakim]
On IRC I see paolo, Christian, Ian, Bjoern, Idoia, RRSAgent, Zakim, marc, trackbot
14:01:15 [Zakim]
marc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P7 (95%), Myriam_Arrue (20%)
14:01:29 [Zakim]
+ +0160372aabb
14:01:29 [Ian]
zakim, i am P3
14:01:29 [marc]
zakim, I am ??P7
14:01:33 [Zakim]
sorry, Ian, I do not see a party named 'P3'
14:01:37 [Zakim]
+marc; got it
14:01:41 [paolo]
zakim, Paolo_Baggia is Paolo_Baggia,Enrico_Zovato
14:01:42 [Ian]
zakim, i am ??P3
14:01:45 [Zakim]
+Paolo_Baggia,Enrico_Zovato; got it
14:01:47 [Zakim]
+Ian; got it
14:01:49 [felix]
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14:01:54 [paolo]
zakim, who is here?
14:01:54 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Ian, Bjoern, marc, ??P9 (muted), Paolo_Baggia,Enrico_Zovato, Myriam_Arrue, +0160372aabb
14:01:57 [Zakim]
On IRC I see felix, paolo, Christian, Ian, Bjoern, Idoia, RRSAgent, Zakim, marc, trackbot
14:02:11 [marc]
zakim, ??P9 is Jianhua
14:02:11 [Zakim]
+Jianhua; got it
14:03:02 [Idoia]
myriam arrue is Idoia and Nestor
14:03:15 [marc]
zakim, aabb is AndyBreen
14:03:17 [Zakim]
+AndyBreen; got it
14:04:57 [Zakim]
+felix
14:05:32 [Zakim]
+ +49.381.402.aacc
14:05:46 [marc]
zakim, aacc is Christian
14:05:46 [Zakim]
+Christian; got it
14:05:58 [paolo]
Scribe: Paolo_Baggia
14:06:42 [paolo]
Chair: Marc_Schroeder
14:07:17 [paolo]
Topic: Discussion on continuation
14:07:42 [paolo]
Topic: Discussion on continuation
14:08:53 [paolo]
Christian: I'd like to continue
14:09:10 [Ian]
I also think the sub group would be fine
14:09:26 [paolo]
marc: I don't see why to be another subgroup
14:09:28 [Bjoern]
so do I and would clearly like to continue.
14:09:45 [paolo]
marc: Maybe issues on Patents
14:10:04 [paolo]
marc: There is policy in W3C, to disclose patent
14:11:14 [paolo]
paolo: Yes there are patent issues,
14:11:33 [Zakim]
+ +1.512.567.aadd
14:11:42 [paolo]
marc: risk people in MMI that already have patents
14:11:53 [marc]
zakim, aadd is BillJarrold
14:11:53 [Zakim]
+BillJarrold; got it
14:12:14 [paolo]
Christian: Can try the MMI way and afterwards to follow another option
14:13:11 [marc]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-emotion/2008Jul/0013.html
14:13:45 [paolo]
Topic: Core 1 and Core 6 discussion
14:14:32 [paolo]
Bjoern: different proposals
14:14:58 [paolo]
... proposal 1 similar to other
14:15:26 [paolo]
... Marc elegant proposal
14:16:14 [paolo]
... variant 2: allows many levels and sets
14:16:37 [Zakim]
-marc
14:17:17 [Zakim]
+??P2
14:17:28 [marc]
zakim, I am ??P2
14:17:28 [Zakim]
+marc; got it
14:18:06 [marc]
<mood>
14:18:06 [marc]
<category set="everyday" name="relaxed" confidence="0.8" />
14:18:07 [marc]
</mood>
14:18:42 [marc]
<mood emotion-related-state-types="Scherer">
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<category set="everyday" name="relaxed" confidence="0.8" />
14:18:43 [marc]
</mood>
14:19:12 [Zakim]
-Jianhua
14:21:49 [Zakim]
+??P7
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Scribe: paolo1
14:22:25 [paolo1]
Marc: example with element mood
14:24:45 [marc]
<emotion type="mood" emotion-related-state-types="Scherer">
14:24:46 [marc]
<category set="everyday" name="relaxed" confidence="0.8" />
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</emotion>
14:28:26 [marc]
zakim, who is talking?
14:28:37 [Zakim]
marc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Christian (4%)
14:28:49 [Zakim]
-BillJarrold
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+BillJarrold
14:30:43 [marc]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-emotion/2008Sep/0004.html
14:33:16 [Ian]
I prefer variant 5
14:36:41 [Bjoern]
agrees with leaving open variant 4 or 5 for now.
14:37:18 [Idoia]
we also prefer variant 4 or 5
14:37:34 [Bjoern]
yes.
14:37:39 [Ian]
yes
14:37:46 [Christian]
Christian prefers variant 5 with thinking about the name of the 1st level tag (emotion/affect/emotion-related-state/ers...)
14:38:24 [marc]
Core 6
14:38:34 [marc]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-emotion/2008Sep/0005.html
14:39:35 [Bjoern]
<complex-affect>
14:39:41 [Bjoern]
<affect>
14:39:49 [Bjoern]
<category set="Scherer" name="emotion" />
14:39:56 [Bjoern]
<affect>
14:40:02 [Bjoern]
<category set="everyday" name="pleasure" confidence="0.9" />
14:40:09 [Bjoern]
</affect>
14:40:16 [Bjoern]
</affect>
14:41:30 [Bjoern]
variant 2
14:41:40 [Bjoern]
<affect id=1>
14:41:46 [Bjoern]
<related link="#2" />
14:41:52 [Bjoern]
<category set="Scherer" name="emotion" />
14:41:58 [Ian]
yes
14:41:59 [Bjoern]
<affect>
14:42:08 [Bjoern]
<category set="everyday" name="pleasure" confidence="0.9" />
14:42:14 [Bjoern]
</affect>
14:42:20 [Bjoern]
</affect>
14:42:27 [Bjoern]
<affect id=2>
14:42:34 [Bjoern]
<related link="#1" />
14:42:41 [Bjoern]
<category set="Scherer" name="emotion" />
14:42:47 [Bjoern]
<affect>
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14:42:57 [Bjoern]
<category set="everyday" name="anger" confidence="0.9" />
14:43:03 [Bjoern]
</affect>
14:43:09 [Bjoern]
</affect>
14:46:29 [Zakim]
-??P7
14:49:36 [felix]
cant we simply allow more than one category per „affect“?
14:49:43 [felix]
eg <affect> <cat name=“sad“/><cat name=“anger“/></affect>
14:52:39 [Zakim]
+??P17
14:56:39 [Christian]
christian wonders why time information is not sufficient. If two emotions overlap in time they overlap is complex
14:57:15 [Christian]
we could add an attribut isComplex=true to those emotions to make it more explicit
15:00:45 [Zakim]
-AndyBreen
15:00:56 [Zakim]
-Ian
15:01:00 [Zakim]
-felix
15:01:02 [Zakim]
-BillJarrold
15:01:04 [Zakim]
-Bjoern
15:01:04 [felix]
bye
15:01:06 [Zakim]
-Christian
15:01:08 [Zakim]
-Myriam_Arrue
15:01:09 [Idoia]
bye
15:01:12 [Zakim]
-??P17
15:01:53 [Christian]
just one more thought from Christian: Making it explicit might make it more easy for human readers to find overlaps
15:02:32 [Christian]
and possibly also faster for parsers (looking for an attribute might be less expensive than calculating times)
15:02:34 [Zakim]
-Paolo_Baggia,Enrico_Zovato
15:02:46 [Zakim]
-marc
15:02:46 [Zakim]
INC_EMOXG()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were +04989aaaa, Bjoern, Myriam_Arrue, +0160372aabb, marc, Paolo_Baggia,Enrico_Zovato, Ian, Jianhua, AndyBreen, felix, +49.381.402.aacc, Christian, +1.512.567.aadd,
15:02:50 [Zakim]
... BillJarrold
15:02:56 [Christian]
okay
15:02:58 [Christian]
bye
15:06:19 [marc]
rrsagent, draft minutes
15:06:19 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-emotion-minutes.html marc
15:06:54 [marc]
rrsagent, make logs public
15:08:04 [marc]
rrsagent, bye
15:08:04 [RRSAgent]
I see no action items