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18:30:16 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAPP
18:30:16 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
18:30:17 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
18:30:17 <trackbot> Date: 03 September 2008
18:30:36 <shepazu> Zakim, this will be DOM3
18:30:36 <Zakim> ok, shepazu, I see IA_WebAPI(DOM3)2:30PM already started
18:30:48 <shepazu> Zakim, call shepazu 
18:30:51 <Zakim> ok, shepazu; the call is being made
18:30:53 <Zakim> +Shepazu
18:33:44 <smaug> can you hear me?
18:33:53 <Zakim> -??P1
18:34:38 <Zakim> +??P1
18:34:47 <smaug> Zakim, ??P1 is me
18:34:47 <Zakim> +smaug; got it
18:37:13 <Travis> Scribe: Travis
18:37:21 <Travis> ScribeNick: Travis
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18:39:54 <Travis> Topic: Issue/Action review
18:40:00 <smaug> http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/
18:41:57 <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/products/2
18:42:40 <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/2008/08/23-svg-minutes.html
18:43:23 <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/2008/08/24-svg-minutes.html
18:45:57 <Travis> shepazu: SVG WG (Tiny) decided to merge DOM L3 events functionality (pieces) into the SVG spec.
18:47:03 <shepazu> s/SVG spec/SVG 1.2 Tiny spec/
18:47:06 <shepazu> ... and align with DOM3 Events for SVG Full/Core
18:47:40 <Travis> smaug: What parts of DOM L3 events?
18:48:26 <Travis> shepazu: text events/ key events (snapshot of DOM L3 Events 1 year ago)
18:49:10 <Travis> smaug: text events hasn't changed in a long time (and already implemented in some browsers)
18:49:32 <Travis> shepazu: downside is that these pieces will be specified in two different places.
18:49:49 <Travis> ... would consider the DOM L3 spec to be normative.
18:50:19 <Travis> smaug: SVT 1.2 Tiny would remove dependency.
18:51:30 <Travis> shepazu: We'd deprecate any legacy events stuff in SVG 1.2 Tiny in favor of whatever DOM L3 Events specifies in the future.
18:52:37 <Travis> shepazu: Just wanting to make this group aware.
18:52:51 <Travis> ... it's not the ideal solution
18:53:08 <Travis> smaug: Perhaps you should send out email to gather feedback.
18:53:44 <Travis> smaug: Would like to make sure Opera/Webkit and others not here will know.
18:54:35 <Travis> Topic: tests
18:55:02 <Travis> shepazu: Need to get moving on tests to see what's implemented, and how it's implemented.
18:55:15 <Travis> ... Noticed that carmello put some tests up on the list.
18:55:45 <shepazu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008JulSep/0523.html
18:57:47 <Travis> ... Don't have a lot of time this week [working on SVG]
18:57:55 <smaug> http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/44
18:57:58 <Travis> ... Any particular questions for today?
18:59:27 <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#events-event-resize
19:00:34 <smaug> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#window
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19:02:02 <Travis> shepazu: Aught to think about how to address the "window" object and how events work with it.
19:03:07 <shepazu> "A document view or an element has been resized. The resize occurred before the dispatch of this event type."
19:03:34 <shepazu> Context info  	UIEvent.view
19:03:36 <shepazu>  view   of type views::AbstractView, readonly
19:03:36 <shepazu>     The view attribute identifies the AbstractView from which the event was generated.
19:05:36 <shepazu> so, maybe we should just say that AbstractView is synonymous with Window in current implementations
19:05:56 <smaug> "The AbstractView object of default views must also implement the Window and EventTarget interfaces. "
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19:06:57 <Travis> smaug: The previous quote is from HTML5.
19:08:12 <Travis> shepazu: This gives us the opportunity to describe how certain events propagate up to the "Abstract View"
19:09:58 <Travis> smaug: When I worked on load events about two years ago, to avoid special case logic, and it broke lots of pages.
19:10:31 <Travis> shepazu: Do we all agree that we should use the same kind of language as HTML5 for defaultView?
19:11:49 <smaug> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008JulSep/0335.html
19:13:05 <Travis> Resolution: Use similar language as HTML5 to specify event handling and propagation to the AbstractView (a.k.a. window object).
19:13:43 <Travis> smaug: Current HTML5 specifies the event handling...
19:14:06 <smaug> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#events0
19:14:44 <smaug> http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/44
19:14:57 <shepazu> Resolution: follow proposal from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008JulSep/0335.html
19:15:26 <shepazu> Action: shepazu to integrate http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008JulSep/0335.html into D3E
19:15:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-245 - Integrate http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008JulSep/0335.html into D3E [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-09-10].
19:16:26 <Travis> shepazu: Other issues?
19:18:04 <Zakim> +Josh_Soref
19:19:05 <Travis> Travis: smaug has some questions remaining about scrollevents...
19:19:22 <smaug> wheelevents
19:19:23 <Travis> smaug: Still need to put some things together.
19:19:33 <Travis> (thanks)
19:21:15 <Zakim> -smaug
19:21:16 <Travis> shepazu: Thanks All.
19:21:22 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
19:21:27 <Zakim> -Shepazu
19:21:32 <Zakim> -Josh_Soref
19:21:33 <Zakim> IA_WebAPI(DOM3)2:30PM has ended
19:21:34 <Zakim> Attendees were [Microsoft], Shepazu, smaug, Josh_Soref
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19:36:05 <shepazu> Zakim, bye
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19:36:23 <shepazu> RRSAgent, make minutes
19:36:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/03-webapps-minutes.html shepazu
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