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12:56:29 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV
12:56:29 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
12:56:30 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
12:56:30 <trackbot> Date: 03 September 2008
12:56:51 <josema> agenda+ Convene, agenda adjustments
12:57:01 <josema> agenda+ Introductions - new people onboard
12:57:14 <josema> agenda+ Review of open action items
12:57:26 <josema> agenda+ Face to Face Meeting
12:57:42 <josema> agenda+ Compilation of Use Cases + Group Outline
12:57:44 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has now started
12:57:51 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea
12:58:01 <josema> agenda+ Group Activity Plan
12:58:15 <josema> agenda+ Liaisons: review
12:58:21 <josema> agenda?
12:58:36 <Zakim> +Josema
12:59:48 <Zakim> +??P9
13:00:13 <Zakim> -??P9
13:00:33 <Zakim> + +1.301.455.aaaa
13:01:00 <Zakim> +??P9
13:01:19 <Zakim> + +39.25.aabb
13:01:32 <Zakim> + +1.202.731.aacc
13:01:42 <Beng> zakim +39.25.aabb is Beng
13:01:59 <Zakim> - +1.301.455.aaaa
13:02:19 <Zakim> + +1.509.464.aadd
13:02:20 <Zakim> + +1.202.256.aaee
13:02:34 <kjetil> Zakim, code?
13:02:34 <Zakim> the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), kjetil
13:03:09 <josema> zakim, aabb is Benjamin
13:03:10 <Zakim> +Benjamin; got it
13:03:31 <josema> zakim, aacc is kevin
13:03:31 <Zakim> +kevin; got it
13:03:40 <Zakim> + +1.301.384.aaff
13:04:02 <josema> zakim, aaff is Owen
13:04:02 <Zakim> +Owen; got it
13:04:44 <josema> zakim, who's here?
13:04:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see Katie_Haritos-Shea, Josema, ??P9, Benjamin, kevin, +1.509.464.aadd, +1.202.256.aaee, Owen
13:04:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Beng, pasquale, darobin, josema, kjetil, trackbot
13:05:07 <josema> kjetil, are you around?
13:05:15 <josema> you are supposed to scribe today
13:05:23 <kjetil> josema, yeah, but phone problems
13:05:54 <josema> scribe: josema
13:06:04 <josema> zakim, take up agendum 1
13:06:04 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene, agenda adjustments" taken up [from josema]
13:06:33 <josema> kevin: welcome everybody, thanks for coming
13:07:51 <Zakim> +??P18
13:07:58 <kjetil> Zakim, ??P18
13:07:58 <Zakim> I don't understand '??P18', kjetil
13:08:02 <kjetil> Zakim, ??P18 is me
13:08:02 <Zakim> +kjetil; got it
13:08:27 <josema> scribe: kjetil
13:08:29 <kjetil> Zakim, mute me
13:08:29 <Zakim> kjetil should now be muted
13:08:53 <Beng> Zakim, Benjamin is Beng
13:08:53 <Zakim> +Beng; got it
13:10:28 <josema> [introducing new Members]
13:10:55 <josema> [Tanya, John not here, jose and Kevin give short intro]
13:11:33 <kjetil> John runs the openhouse project
13:11:43 <josema> [Ari mentions Openhouse project by Sunlight]
13:13:04 <josema> [Trond introduces himself]
13:13:05 <kjetil> Representative from Oracle
13:13:29 <kjetil> has previously worked for the European Commission
13:13:43 <kjetil> josema: Martijn is not around either
13:15:35 <kjetil> josema: I got regrets from a few people, but not all, so it is difficult to know who is on the call
13:15:51 <kjetil> josema: please send us your regrets to the mailing list, or the chairs
13:16:52 <kjetil> josema: we have to pre-book ports on the conference system, so please let us know a little in advance
13:17:18 <josema> zakim, move to next agendum
13:17:18 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Introductions - new people onboard" taken up [from josema]
13:17:22 <josema> zakim, move to next agendum
13:17:22 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, josema
13:17:29 <josema> zakim, close this agendum
13:17:29 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
13:17:30 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:17:31 <Zakim> 3. Review of open action items [from josema]
13:17:32 <josema> zakim, move to next agendum
13:17:32 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Review of open action items" taken up [from josema]
13:17:40 <josema> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/open
13:18:26 <kjetil> josema: mentions some long acronyms we should be in touch with
13:18:47 <kjetil> josema: we are charted to find ways to cooperate
13:19:28 <kjetil> Zakim: who is talking?
13:19:35 <josema> s/charted/chartered
13:19:44 <chris> chris has joined #egov
13:19:59 <kjetil> right
13:20:22 <josema> [reviewing liaisons here]
13:20:41 <kjetil> Kevin is reporting on ongoing efforts to establish collaborations
13:20:52 <josema> [potential joint event with OASIS in March in DC]
13:21:11 <josema> [The World Bank could provide room and some logistics]
13:21:13 <Zakim> +??P19
13:21:15 <Zakim> + +1.202.488.aagg
13:21:42 <josema> [late March]
13:22:00 <josema> zakim, whos's noisy
13:22:00 <Zakim> I don't understand 'whos's noisy', josema
13:22:04 <josema> zakim, who's noisy
13:22:04 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's noisy', josema
13:22:08 <josema> zakim, who's noisy?
13:22:09 <kjetil> Zakim, who is talking?
13:22:18 <Zakim> josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Josema (24%), kevin (91%), ??P19 (20%)
13:22:26 <josema> zakim, mute me
13:22:26 <Zakim> Josema should now be muted
13:22:29 <Zakim> kjetil, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Josema (14%), kevin (50%), ??P19 (35%), +1.202.488.aagg (5%)
13:23:14 <josema> [talked about funding, they are putting together an internal proposal??]
13:23:26 <josema> [talked about open standards and the use in their projects]
13:23:45 <josema> zakim, who's noisy?
13:23:55 <Zakim> josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: kevin (90%), ??P19 (54%)
13:24:04 <josema> zakim, who is ??P19
13:24:04 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is ??P19', josema
13:24:09 <chris> i'm on
13:24:17 <josema> zakim, mute ??P19
13:24:17 <Zakim> ??P19 should now be muted
13:24:28 <kjetil> Zakim, ??P19 is chris
13:24:28 <Zakim> +chris; got it
13:24:33 <kjetil> right?
13:24:41 <josema> hope so
13:24:46 <chris> not sure
13:24:59 <josema> maybe aagg
13:25:13 <josema> chris, is your number +1.202.488--something
13:25:16 <josema> ?
13:25:32 <chris> yes, that's me. i'm on mute 
13:25:35 <kjetil> Kevin will be speaking with government official in late sept
13:25:35 <josema> [kevin to speak at FIRM event on September, 24th]
13:25:57 <josema> zakim, aagg is chris
13:25:57 <Zakim> +chris; got it
13:26:41 <josema> ack me
13:27:33 <kjetil> Zakim, unmute ??P19
13:27:33 <Zakim> sorry, kjetil, I do not know which phone connection belongs to ??P19
13:28:29 <kjetil> josema: let us look at wikis for the TF's, lets also hear their leaders
13:29:10 <kjetil> Kevin: before we do that, let us go back to the workshop in spring
13:29:24 <kjetil> Kevin: what should that look like?
13:29:37 <josema> agenda?
13:30:14 <josema> agenda?
13:30:28 <josema> zakim, close agendum 3
13:30:28 <Zakim> agendum 3, Review of open action items, closed
13:30:29 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:30:30 <Zakim> 4. Face to Face Meeting [from josema]
13:30:39 <kjetil> kevin: we are allready two weeks into the time span for this group, and we need to speed up now
13:30:57 <josema> s/allready/already
13:31:12 <josema> ->http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/GroupOutline Group Outline
13:31:30 <josema> ->http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/ActivityPlan Activity Plan
13:32:46 <josema> [kevin reviews plan]
13:33:44 <josema> zakim, who is here?
13:33:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see Katie_Haritos-Shea, Josema, ??P9, Beng, kevin, +1.509.464.aadd, +1.202.256.aaee, Owen, kjetil (muted), chris (muted), chris.a
13:33:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see chris, Zakim, RRSAgent, Beng, pasquale, darobin, josema, kjetil, trackbot
13:33:58 <josema> zakim, aadd is Rachel
13:33:58 <Zakim> +Rachel; got it
13:34:23 <ari> ari has joined #egov
13:35:05 <Zakim> - +1.202.256.aaee
13:35:06 <Zakim> +CDT
13:35:17 <josema> zakim, CDT is Ari
13:35:17 <Zakim> +Ari; got it
13:35:42 <josema> yes, we need feedback!!
13:36:09 <josema> we need the expertise from the Group
13:37:42 <kjetil> chris: I would like to review the group activity and align that with the actions for the task force
13:38:15 <kjetil> josema: these plans are not fixed, they are food for thought
13:39:01 <kjetil> josema: we are trying to find out what the eGov Activity should be, not just for the present IG
13:39:20 <kjetil> josema: there are lots of questions about what we should do
13:40:01 <kjetil> Zakim, who is noisy?
13:40:11 <Zakim> kjetil, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Katie_Haritos-Shea (25%), Josema (4%)
13:41:07 <kjetil> Zakim, who is noisy?
13:41:17 <Zakim> -kevin
13:41:18 <josema> [kevin leaves call]
13:41:18 <Zakim> kjetil, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Katie_Haritos-Shea (45%), Josema (30%), kevin (19%)
13:41:31 <josema> zakim, mute Katie
13:41:31 <Zakim> Katie_Haritos-Shea should now be muted
13:42:25 <kjetil> josema: there is an article in ?? from some guys at Princeton about open government
13:42:48 <kjetil> josema: it got a lot of attention, in blogs and so on
13:43:08 <kjetil> josema: the govt should stop publishing websites and focus on publishing data
13:43:25 <kjetil> josema: to use by persons and organisations
13:43:28 <Zakim> -Beng
13:44:08 <kjetil> josema: we will send the reference, when I have it handy
13:44:20 <kjetil> josema: if anybody has it handy, please send it to the group list?
13:44:46 <josema> agenda?
13:44:48 <kjetil> josema: I will try to find it
13:44:57 <Zakim> +Beng
13:45:52 <kjetil> josema: task force chairs: what do you expect from your task force?
13:46:34 <kjetil> Zakim, who is talking?
13:46:45 <Zakim> kjetil, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Josema (4%), chris.a (76%)
13:47:43 <kjetil> chris.a: I have heard from some individuals about interest in the TF
13:48:46 <kjetil> ... I will be updating the use case documents
13:50:01 <kjetil> josema: I have been reviewing guidelines from several countries
13:50:23 <kjetil> josema: some countries say "follow these specs, this performance level" and so on
13:50:28 <pasquale> sorry, I am not able to continue, hi all
13:50:38 <kjetil> josema: several countries have been working on this
13:51:06 <kjetil> josema: would it be interesting to compile "the best of the best"?
13:51:23 <kjetil> chris.a: Yeah, I think that would be very interesting
13:51:32 <josema> zakim, is rachel here?
13:51:32 <Zakim> probably, josema; Rachel arrived 49 minutes ago
13:52:17 <kjetil> josema: Rachel: if the group would produce that, would it be useful for you?
13:52:37 <kjetil> Rachel: the guiding principles are 
13:52:48 <kjetil> we have documented a lot of practices
13:53:22 <kjetil> the more we can do the same way not only in the US, but all over the world, the better it is
13:54:01 <kjetil> josema: I hope a lot of people will send you email about joining this TF effort
13:54:08 <kjetil> Zakim, who is talking?
13:54:12 <josema> september... I'm full of energy :)
13:54:19 <Zakim> kjetil, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Josema (33%), Ari (100%)
13:54:57 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
13:55:24 <kjetil> ari: please put up the things that you read and find interesting to the wiki
13:55:39 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea
13:55:43 <kjetil> josema: how do you envision the TF work?
13:56:34 <kjetil> ari: the goal is to find out how open standards are used to gain transparancy, and where are the gaps
13:56:58 <kjetil> ari: the short term goals is to find out what's out there
13:57:18 <josema> agenda?
13:57:46 <kjetil> josema: any other commentS?
13:58:23 <josema> zakim, close this agendum
13:58:23 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
13:58:24 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:58:27 <Zakim> 4. Face to Face Meeting [from josema]
13:58:58 <kjetil> josema: let us talk about IG Notes
13:59:11 <kjetil> josema: we are supposed to produce one for each TF
14:00:36 <kjetil> josema: we have two months to produce those
14:01:30 <kjetil> josema: we are supposed to be doing that right now, and we have not really started
14:01:45 <kjetil> josema: I will try to push a little bit
14:02:45 <kjetil> josema: I will try to help with the W3C editing principles, which are not very hard, but they are there, and involve valid (X)HTML
14:02:57 <kjetil> josema: we have very tight deadlines now
14:03:16 <josema> move to next agendum
14:03:16 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Face to Face Meeting" taken up [from josema]
14:03:37 <kjetil> josema: I sent an email about the F2F meeting
14:03:57 <kjetil> josema: the meeting is in a hotel near Cannes
14:04:32 <kjetil> josema: the discount rate expires on next monday
14:04:42 <Beng> jose's mail is : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2008Aug/0004.html
14:04:54 <kjetil> josema: there are other hotels of course
14:05:11 <kjetil> josema: the deadline for the meeting is sept 28
14:05:49 <kjetil> josema: this is the TPAC, the Technical Plenary, which is the main W3C technical meeting 
14:06:07 <kjetil> josema: it is one of the best meetings in the year, highly recommended
14:06:29 <kjetil> josema: if we need to interact with other groups, the best experts will be there
14:07:00 <kjetil> josema: most meetings are open to observers, so you may join other meetings
14:07:43 <kjetil> josema: this is very useful to learn technologies, and all the experts are there
14:08:57 <kjetil> Important dates: sept 8th and sept 28th
14:09:04 <josema> agenda?
14:09:06 <kjetil> josema: any questions?
14:09:41 <kjetil> Zakim: unmute me
14:09:47 <kjetil> Zakim, unmute me
14:09:47 <Zakim> kjetil should no longer be muted
14:10:03 <kjetil> Zakim, mute me
14:10:03 <Zakim> kjetil should now be muted
14:10:04 <josema> agenda?
14:10:22 <josema> move to next agendum
14:10:22 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Group Activity Plan" taken up [from josema]
14:11:32 <josema> close this agendum
14:11:36 <josema> move to next agendum
14:11:36 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Liaisons: review" taken up [from josema]
14:12:04 <kjetil> josema: Kevin allready mentioned OASIS and the World Bank
14:12:37 <kjetil> josema: we are in a state where we try to gain more knowledge about each other
14:12:50 <kjetil> josema: we will return to the group with reports
14:13:15 <josema> http://www.semic.eu
14:13:20 <kjetil> josema: we have had some interest from the Semantic Interoperability in Europe
14:13:45 <kjetil> josema: this is especially relevant to data integration
14:13:59 <kjetil> josema: we will meet with the project in Brussels
14:14:09 <kjetil> josema: how do we see that vision
14:14:56 <kjetil> josema: they are planning to compile a repository of  "interoperability assets"
14:15:16 <kjetil> josema: I will find out more about this in two weeks from now in the meeting
14:15:31 <kjetil> Zakim, who is talking?
14:15:42 <Zakim> kjetil, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Josema (9%)
14:16:16 <kjetil> Trond: it is a very interesting project, with large challenges
14:16:54 <josema> ->http://www.w3.org/2004/ontaria/ Ontaria
14:17:32 <kjetil> josema: Ontaria was a related W3C project
14:18:19 <kjetil> josema: that project is stopped, probably due to lack of funding
14:18:49 <kjetil> josema: I will try to find out more
14:19:26 <josema> agenda?
14:19:31 <kjetil> q+
14:19:34 <josema> close this agendum
14:19:42 <kjetil> ack me
14:21:12 <kjetil> Zakim, mute me
14:21:12 <Zakim> kjetil should now be muted
14:21:20 <kjetil> Zakim, unmute me
14:21:20 <Zakim> kjetil should no longer be muted
14:22:06 <Zakim> -Josema
14:22:11 <kjetil> kjetil: mentioned the liasons established by computas
14:22:13 <josema> I lost my phone connection :(
14:22:30 <josema> zakim, call josema-office
14:22:31 <Zakim> ok, josema; the call is being made
14:22:32 <Zakim> +Josema
14:22:41 <kjetil> Zakim, mute me
14:22:41 <Zakim> kjetil should now be muted
14:23:09 <kjetil> josema: any further questions?
14:23:34 <kjetil> josema: please take a look at the documents
14:23:40 <kjetil> josema: we're ADJOURNED
14:23:47 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
14:23:48 <kjetil> josema: thank you all!
14:23:49 <Zakim> -Ari
14:23:50 <Zakim> -Owen
14:23:51 <Zakim> -??P9
14:23:52 <Zakim> -chris
14:23:53 <Zakim> -chris.a
14:23:55 <Zakim> -Rachel
14:23:55 <Zakim> -kjetil
14:24:00 <Zakim> -Beng
14:24:07 <Beng> Beng has left #egov
14:24:10 <josema> thanks all for particippating today
14:24:18 <josema> thanks kjetil for scribing!
14:24:25 <Zakim> -Josema
14:24:27 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended
14:24:28 <Zakim> Attendees were Katie_Haritos-Shea, Josema, +1.301.455.aaaa, +39.25.aabb, +1.202.731.aacc, +1.509.464.aadd, +1.202.256.aaee, kevin, +1.301.384.aaff, Owen, kjetil, Beng,
14:24:30 <Zakim> ... +1.202.488.aagg, chris, Rachel, Ari
14:24:35 <josema> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:24:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/03-egov-minutes.html josema
14:24:44 <josema> RRSAgent, list attendees
14:24:44 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'list attendees', josema.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:24:58 <josema> Zakim, list attendees
14:24:58 <Zakim> sorry, josema, I don't know what conference this is
16:17:03 <josema> RRSAgent, bye
16:17:03 <RRSAgent> I see no action items