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14:55:58 <Ralph> zakim, this will be swd
14:55:58 <Zakim> ok, Ralph, I see SW_SWD()11:00AM already started
14:56:04 <Ralph> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:56:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P13
14:56:15 <Ralph> Meeting: Semantic Web Deployment Working Group
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14:56:24 <Ralph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Sep/0000.html
14:56:35 <Zakim> +??P18
14:56:38 <Ralph> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2008/08/26-swd-minutes.html
14:56:51 <TomB> zakim, ??P18 is me
14:56:51 <Zakim> +TomB; got it
14:57:08 <Zakim> +Ralph
14:57:26 <Ralph> zakim, ??p18 is Daniel_Rubin
14:57:26 <Zakim> I already had ??P18 as TomB, Ralph
14:57:36 <Ralph> zakim, ??p13 is Daniel_Rubin
14:57:36 <Zakim> +Daniel_Rubin; got it
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14:58:30 <Zakim> +Martin
14:58:34 <berrueta> zakim, Martin is me
14:58:34 <Zakim> +berrueta; got it
14:59:29 <Ralph> Regrets: Jeremy, Alistair, Margherita, Elisa, Sean (at risk)
14:59:58 <Ralph> Chair: Guus
15:00:52 <Zakim> +Jon_Phipps
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15:01:21 <Zakim> +Guus_Schreiber
15:01:24 <JonP> zakim, Jon_Phipps is me
15:01:25 <Zakim> +JonP; got it
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15:04:15 <berrueta> scribe: berrueta 
15:04:22 <Zakim> +Antoine_Isaac
15:04:26 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
15:04:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see Daniel_Rubin, TomB, Ralph, berrueta, JonP, Guus_Schreiber, Antoine_Isaac
15:04:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see edsu, Antoine, Guus, JonP, TomB, Zakim, RRSAgent, berrueta, Ralph
15:04:57 <Zakim> +[LC]
15:05:05 <Ralph> zakim, lc is Ed
15:05:06 <Zakim> +Ed; got it
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15:06:45 <berrueta> topic: Admin
15:06:51 <berrueta> PROPOSED to accept minutes of the last telecon
15:07:12 <Zakim> +Ben_Adida
15:07:15 <berrueta> Guus: small ammendment re action to the chairs, proposed to drop
15:07:23 <Zakim> +??P74
15:07:24 <berrueta> ... no need to change the minutes
15:07:29 <seanb> zakim, ??P74 is me
15:07:29 <Zakim> +seanb; got it
15:07:57 <berrueta> Ralph: chairs need to send mail to other WGs
15:08:05 <Ralph> [DROP] ACTION: Chairs to request Last Call for SKOS Reference [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/26-swd-minutes.html#action04]
15:08:15 <berrueta> RESOLVED to accept minutes of the Aug 26 telecon: http://www.w3.org/2008/08/26-swd-minutes.html
15:08:43 <berrueta> Guus: I don't expect very busy telecons next weeks, mostly focus on SKOS
15:08:49 <berrueta> ... propose to meet on 16 and 30 sep
15:09:08 <Ralph> Ralph: regrets for 16 Sep
15:09:15 <berrueta> ... LC comments on SKOS in the agenda
15:09:29 <berrueta> ... probably short telecons
15:09:31 <Ralph> Guus: also regrets for 16 Sep; Tom will chair
15:09:53 <berrueta> RESOLVED next telecons 16 and 30 sep
15:10:14 <berrueta> topic: RDFa
15:10:30 <berrueta> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Aug/0086.html RDFa PR request was sent out
15:10:44 <berrueta> Guus: main thing to do is to schedule meeting with director
15:11:03 <berrueta> ... proposed tomorrow 1830 UTC
15:11:14 <berrueta> ben: regrets, I've got a conflict
15:11:30 <berrueta> ... half hour later would work
15:11:40 <berrueta> Guus: propose we fix it for 1900 UTC tomorrow
15:12:02 <berrueta> ... formally speaking, after this meeting, supposing request is approved, not much to do
15:12:16 <berrueta> ... publish the Primer as a Note
15:12:42 <berrueta> ben: editing the Primer, Ed comments
15:13:17 <berrueta> ... discussion on trying to make RDFa to work in HTML4/5
15:13:37 <berrueta> ... trying to put together a couple of wiki pages on this
15:13:56 <berrueta> ... formally, we're wrapping up at this point wrt the charter
15:15:11 <berrueta> guus: check with the coord group if futher actions are needed, by the end of the year we're wrapping up
15:15:44 <berrueta> ... schedule discussion with Ivan, we might decide nothing more is needed
15:16:31 <berrueta> Guus: action on ben that appears here is related to SKOS, not to RDFa
15:16:55 <berrueta> ACTION: Ben to write a short message to the list about how to enter in Issues so that they can be tracked [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/26-swd-minutes.html#action05]
15:16:58 <berrueta> --continues
15:17:16 <berrueta> ben: this will be done in an hour
15:17:46 <berrueta> ben: taskforce is ready to publish primer and UC as a note
15:17:50 <berrueta> topic: Recipes
15:18:07 <berrueta> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-swbp-vocab-pub-20080828/ Recipes published as Working Group Note
15:18:18 <berrueta> Guus: thanks to the editors, very useful doc
15:18:28 <berrueta> ACTION: Jon and Ralph to publish Recipes as Working Group Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/10-swd-minutes.html#action03]
15:18:29 <berrueta> --done
15:18:40 <berrueta> ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]
15:18:47 <berrueta> --continues
15:18:59 <berrueta> topic: Vocabulary Management
15:19:23 <berrueta> Guus: nothing to report here
15:19:28 <berrueta> topic: AOB
15:20:09 <Ralph> Diego: I've put an update to the "Minimum RDFa metadata set for WG deliverables" draft in the wiki
15:20:13 <Ralph> ... Ed reviewing now
15:20:21 <Ralph> ... may be ready for WG to review in a week
15:20:22 <berrueta> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/AddingRDFaToTR?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=draft.html current draft (Metadata for TR)
15:20:58 <berrueta> ACTION: Diego to put the Wiki page on RDFa metadata in a Note form [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/05-swd-minutes.html#action11]
15:21:00 <berrueta> --done
15:21:29 <berrueta> ACTION: Jeremy to review Curie syntax doc by Sep 05 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes.html#action12]
15:21:32 <berrueta> --continues
15:21:37 <berrueta> topic: SKOS
15:22:06 <berrueta> Guus: schedule is feasible
15:22:28 <berrueta> seanb: if we get no comments at all, is that bad?
15:22:31 <berrueta> Guus: yes, it is
15:22:59 <berrueta> Ralph: we need reviews for each transition
15:23:06 <berrueta> ... no comments would be a bad thing
15:23:28 <berrueta> ... editors please send the announce to mailing lists
15:23:45 <berrueta> edsu: try to target people using SKOS now (eg.: Dbpedia)?
15:24:07 <berrueta> Ralph: we have features at risk, we need feedback from people using SKOS
15:24:23 <berrueta> Guus: we should explicitly request feedback from those people
15:24:42 <berrueta> edsu: should I create a wiki page listing SKOS users?
15:25:30 <berrueta> Guus: sean, could you please send mail to the users' mailing lists?
15:25:40 <berrueta> Guus: target users, particularly developers
15:26:09 <berrueta> edsu: i can investigate potential lists
15:27:56 <berrueta> ACTION: SKOS Reference editors to send mail asking for feedback from users
15:28:28 <berrueta> Guus: we might want to look to existing implementations of SKOS
15:28:50 <berrueta> Guus: Antoine, do you have a SKOS web service in your project?
15:28:53 <berrueta> Antoine: yes
15:29:13 <berrueta> ... not sure if compatible with latest specs
15:29:37 <berrueta> Guus: should we provide a test bed?
15:30:12 <berrueta> seanb: what the test bed should test for? we don't have "conformance" requirements
15:30:28 <berrueta> Guus: I would expect a SKOS validator, similar to the OWL validator
15:30:39 <berrueta> ... that would surely be an implementation
15:30:53 <berrueta> Antoine: also SKOS editors?
15:31:05 <berrueta> Guus: probably yes
15:31:19 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-EARL10-Schema-20070323/#conformance EARL
15:31:39 <berrueta> Ralph: thinking about similar vocabs, eg. EARL
15:31:51 <berrueta> ... pretty loose definition of "conformance"
15:32:35 <berrueta> seanb: who would decide which ones are implementations
15:33:23 <berrueta> ... we can provide examples of violations of the specs
15:33:35 <berrueta> Ralph: i don't think it's a good idea
15:34:05 <berrueta> ... any tool that uses SKOS data is an implementation
15:34:17 <berrueta> Guus: and also SKOS data itself
15:34:50 <berrueta> ... the typical req is that every feature is supported by at least 2 implementations
15:35:27 <berrueta> Ralph: it would be nice to show that every SKOS feature has been used by at least one vocab
15:36:10 <berrueta> Guus: the LC period is a nice time to start working on the implementation report
15:36:43 <berrueta> ... define a format to describe implementations, and ask people to contribute implementations in this format
15:37:13 <berrueta> ... build a table of SKOS constructs and how they're used
15:37:58 <edsu> i just got guus' point about the skos vocabulary itself being an implementation of skos...
15:38:11 <berrueta> seanb: we need to define what we mean for "validator" in this context (too strict?)
15:38:36 <berrueta> Guus: validator is able to read a SKOS vocab and flag potential problems wrt semantics
15:38:46 <berrueta> seanb: validator or checker?
15:39:03 <edsu> +1 for checker
15:39:13 <berrueta> seanb: validation has connotations (validation wrt a schema), checker might be a better name
15:41:00 <berrueta> ACTION: Sean to add a request for implementations to the mail asking for feedback
15:41:46 <berrueta> Guus: that's all for now wrt implementations
15:42:10 <berrueta> ... we need to make significant progress in september in the implementation report
15:42:46 <berrueta> ACTION: Guus to confirm w/ OWL Chairs and Coordination Group that the LC period is OK [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/26-swd-minutes.html#action06]
15:42:48 <berrueta> --done
15:43:00 <berrueta> Guus: didn't get any response, that's good
15:43:27 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-semweb-cg/2008Aug/0018.html "SKOS Last Call" [Guus to SWCG 2008-08-27]
15:44:22 <berrueta> Antoine: question about formatting of figures and tables
15:44:42 <berrueta> Ralph: the checker complained, that's why we delete them
15:45:29 <berrueta> ... we can republish a new primer if you want
15:45:39 <berrueta> ... it's up to the editors to decide
15:46:00 <berrueta> Guus: you can decide later
15:46:46 <berrueta> Antoine: the primer should be ready by the time the Reference is a Rec
15:46:55 <Ralph> Ralph: Antoine had copied the WD stylesheet in-line and I had to remove it.  I did not notice that he had also added some styles for notes, sorry.  I sent him mail as I was preparing the publication but he was not able to respond in time.
15:46:57 <berrueta> Guus: use cases should also be read
15:47:38 <berrueta> s/read/ready
15:48:10 <berrueta> Guus: editors should go through the document and suggest adaptions, not critical yet
15:48:30 <berrueta> Guus: about OWL2 annotations, any feedback?
15:48:41 <berrueta> seanb: no explicit yet, discussion still ongoing
15:49:04 <berrueta> Guus: and about the quick reference?
15:49:19 <berrueta> seanb: would be something interesting, not necesarily volunteering
15:49:24 <berrueta> ACTION: Alistair to update the history page adding direct link to latest version of rdf triple [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/17-swd-minutes.html#action01]
15:49:26 <berrueta> --continues
15:50:42 <berrueta> Guus: editors of the SKOS UC are Antoine, Jon, Daniel
15:50:52 <Ralph> rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:50:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-swd-minutes.html Ralph
15:51:17 <Ralph> rrsagent, please make logs public
15:51:49 <berrueta> edsu: assuming SKOS ends as Rec, do we need any space where people can share experiences and extensions about using SKOS?
15:52:52 <berrueta> Guus: we may decide that thesuarus mailing list or semantic-web are the right places
15:53:02 <Ralph> [DONE] ACTION: Ben to write a short message to the list about how toenter in Issues so that they can be tracked [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/26-swd-minutes.html#action05]
15:53:02 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Sep/0007.html "DisCo: extracting Tracker data into a Disposition of Comments Document" [Ben 2008-09-02]
15:53:21 <Ralph> s/toenter/to enter/
15:53:33 <Ralph> zakim, list attendees
15:53:33 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been TomB, Ralph, Daniel_Rubin, berrueta, Guus_Schreiber, JonP, Antoine_Isaac, Ed, Ben_Adida, seanb
15:53:43 <Zakim> -Daniel_Rubin
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15:53:44 <Zakim> -TomB
15:53:45 <Zakim> -Ed
15:53:46 <Ralph> rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:53:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-swd-minutes.html Ralph
15:53:47 <Zakim> -Ben_Adida
15:53:47 <berrueta> [adjourned]
15:53:47 <Zakim> -Guus_Schreiber
15:53:49 <Zakim> -JonP
15:53:49 <Zakim> -seanb
15:54:02 <Zakim> -berrueta
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15:55:24 <Antoine> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/primer/primer-20080826.html
16:00:51 <Zakim> -Ralph
16:00:52 <Zakim> -Antoine_Isaac
16:01:01 <Zakim> SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended
16:01:03 <Zakim> Attendees were TomB, Ralph, Daniel_Rubin, berrueta, Guus_Schreiber, JonP, Antoine_Isaac, Ed, Ben_Adida, seanb
16:06:57 <Ralph> zakim, bye
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16:06:59 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
16:06:59 <RRSAgent> I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-swd-actions.rdf :
16:06:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to write a short message to the list about how to enter in Issues so that they can be tracked [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/26-swd-minutes.html#action05] [1]
16:06:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-swd-irc#T15-16-55
16:06:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jon and Ralph to publish Recipes as Working Group Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/10-swd-minutes.html#action03] [2]
16:06:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-swd-irc#T15-18-28
16:06:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20] [3]
16:06:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-swd-irc#T15-18-40
16:06:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Diego to put the Wiki page on RDFa metadata in a Note form [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/05-swd-minutes.html#action11] [4]
16:06:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-swd-irc#T15-20-58
16:06:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeremy to review Curie syntax doc by Sep 05 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes.html#action12] [5]
16:06:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-swd-irc#T15-21-29
16:06:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: SKOS Reference editors to send mail asking for feedback from users [6]
16:06:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-swd-irc#T15-27-56
16:06:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Sean to add a request for implementations to the mail asking for feedback [7]
16:06:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-swd-irc#T15-41-00
16:06:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to confirm w/ OWL Chairs and Coordination Group that the LC period is OK [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/26-swd-minutes.html#action06] [8]
16:06:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-swd-irc#T15-42-46
16:06:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Alistair to update the history page adding direct link to latest version of rdf triple [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/17-swd-minutes.html#action01] [9]
16:06:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-swd-irc#T15-49-24