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14:55:24 <fsasaki> meeting: i18n ITS IG
14:55:25 <fsasaki> chair: Yves
14:55:28 <fsasaki> scribe: Felix
14:55:31 <fsasaki> scribeNick: fsasaki
14:55:39 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2008Aug/0014.html
14:55:44 <fsasaki> rrsagent, make log public
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14:59:20 <Zakim> I18N_ITS IG()11:00AM has now started
14:59:27 <Zakim> + +1.303.962.aaaa
14:59:47 <YvesS> zakim, 1.303.962.aaaa is YvesS
14:59:47 <Zakim> sorry, YvesS, I do not recognize a party named '1.303.962.aaaa'
14:59:51 <YvesS> zakim, 303.962.aaaa is YvesS
14:59:51 <Zakim> sorry, YvesS, I do not recognize a party named '303.962.aaaa'
14:59:59 <YvesS> zakim, 962.aaaa is YvesS
14:59:59 <Zakim> sorry, YvesS, I do not recognize a party named '962.aaaa'
15:00:09 <YvesS> zakim, +1.303.962.aaaa is YvesS
15:00:10 <Zakim> +YvesS; got it
15:00:10 <Zakim> +??P10
15:00:16 <Zakim> -YvesS
15:00:18 <Zakim> +YvesS
15:00:24 <Zakim> +??P33
15:02:15 <Zakim> +??P62
15:02:45 <YvesS> zakim, who is here?
15:02:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see YvesS, Syd, Felix, Ingo
15:02:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see YvesS, RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki, trackbot
15:04:15 <fsasaki> topic: ITS-oriented reviews of XML specifications
15:04:35 <fsasaki> Felix to look into XSD 1.1
15:05:42 <fsasaki> Felix: general extensibilty in XSD 1.1 as in 1.0, no need for specific ITS declarations
15:06:01 <fsasaki> Felix to bring Atom case to i18n core and back to IETF back, also done (at least the i18n core part)
15:06:12 <fsasaki> Yves to look at UIML (Oasis), not done yet
15:06:31 <fsasaki> Rodolfo to look at XUL, no update on this
15:07:11 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-skos-reference-20080829/
15:07:17 <fsasaki> SKOS Simple Knowledge Organization System Reference
15:08:15 <fsasaki> action: Yves to look at SKOS LC draft
15:08:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-79 - Look at SKOS LC draft [on Yves Savourel - due 2008-09-09].
15:08:53 <fsasaki> Felix: no need to look into POWDER, I think
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15:08:59 <Zakim> + +95496aabb
15:09:02 <camille> i SOrry I'm late
15:09:37 <YvesS> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/PR-pronunciation-lexicon-20080818/
15:11:23 <fsasaki> action: Felix to review PLS PR draft
15:11:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-80 - Review PLS PR draft [on Felix Sasaki - due 2008-09-09].
15:12:50 <fsasaki> Yves: outside W3C specs, any ideas? Nothing new it seems
15:12:57 <fsasaki> topic: ITS Rules repository
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15:13:23 <YvesS> http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/OOXML10
15:15:54 <fsasaki> Yves: if you have any rules for a format, even a simple example, please contribute
15:16:03 <fsasaki> Felix: proposal to link to rules from BP document
15:16:45 <fsasaki> action: Yves to add a link to the rules repositoriy to the BP document and the test suite
15:16:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-81 - Add a link to the rules repositoriy to the BP document and the test suite [on Yves Savourel - due 2008-09-09].
15:17:00 <fsasaki> topic: ITS Processor API
15:17:30 <YvesS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2008Jun/0014.html
15:19:06 <fsasaki> Felix: currently looking into the backtracking of the API
15:19:13 <fsasaki> Yves: looking into it too again
15:19:23 <fsasaki> topic: ITS Processor with XSLT
15:19:39 <fsasaki> Felix to look into XPath expressivity in SAX engine of saxon
15:20:38 <fsasaki> Felix: need feedback from Rodolfo on what part of Saxon he talked about
15:20:52 <fsasaki> Rodolfo to try look at the xslt decorator, also pending
15:22:47 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/its/its-translate-decorator/02/its-translate-decorator-02.zip
15:22:59 <fsasaki> Felix: version above is in XSLT 1.0, please have a look if you can use it
15:23:52 <fsasaki> action: Everybody to try XSLT 1.0 decorator at http://www.w3.org/International/its/its-translate-decorator/02/its-translate-decorator-02.zip
15:23:53 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Everybody
15:24:16 <fsasaki> topic: ITS General issues
15:24:36 <fsasaki> "Ingo to put together a use case for the local "Elements within Text" usage"
15:24:53 <fsasaki> Ingo: thought about it, best use case was streaming processor without XPath rules
15:25:05 <fsasaki> .. I had another action item about context support in ITS
15:25:23 <fsasaki> .. for TM matching, if you have context, you could use them for matching
15:25:36 <fsasaki> .. you could also give context to the translator
15:25:40 <fsasaki> Yves: what is context
15:26:08 <fsasaki> .. element with content in a document?
15:26:30 <fsasaki> Ingo: when translating it would be useful to see the context
15:26:45 <fsasaki> .. they might have the same context across documents
15:27:03 <fsasaki> Yves: could you post a mail explaining that?
15:27:05 <fsasaki> Ingo: yes
15:27:23 <fsasaki> action: Ingo to post a mail about context of ITS information
15:27:23 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Ingo
15:28:07 <fsasaki> Ingo: for "Elements within Text" I don't see a use case local, only with streaming
15:28:18 <fsasaki> .. if you don't use XPath
15:29:12 <fsasaki> Yves: could you explain that in a mail as well?
15:29:14 <fsasaki> Ingo: yes
15:29:31 <fsasaki> action: Ingo to explain "Elements within Text" local streaming issue
15:29:31 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Ingo
15:29:55 <fsasaki> Yves: another issue with taking the source from one place and putting it into another place
15:30:45 <fsasaki> topic: ITS Streaming processor
15:31:24 <fsasaki> Yves: anything new here? Basic problem is that for streaming you would need some simplified version of XPath
15:31:39 <fsasaki> .. as soon as you have relative expressions you can go everywhere, which is difficult for streaming
15:31:51 <fsasaki> .. no progress here
15:32:17 <fsasaki> .. I'll see if we can get feedback from Jirka or others
15:32:25 <fsasaki> topic: Teleconference time
15:32:50 <fsasaki> topic: AOB
15:33:26 <fsasaki> Ingo: for "elements within text", what is if there are other elements, do they inherit from their parent element "within text"?
15:33:42 <fsasaki> Yves: no, they would not inherit
15:34:00 <fsasaki> Ingo: so e.g. emphasis would not inherit from strong?
15:34:01 <fsasaki> Yves: yes
15:34:17 <fsasaki> Ingo: even if strong is within text "yes"?
15:34:19 <fsasaki> Yves: yes
15:36:00 <fsasaki> Ingo: spec was a bit unclear about that in 6.8.1
15:36:05 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/TR/its/#within-text-definition
15:36:30 <fsasaki> "The element and its content are part of the flow of its parent element.". Content could be child elements as well
15:36:56 <fsasaki> Yves: yes a bit unclear. But answer is "no", it applies just to text content. But yes this is unclear
15:37:18 <fsasaki> Ingo: will there be a certification program for ITS tools?
15:37:31 <fsasaki> Yves: no, we encourage people to use the tests
15:37:58 <fsasaki> Now talking about teleconference time
15:39:30 <fsasaki> everybody on the call is fine, but though for people in Australia
15:40:11 <fsasaki> We will make the change, from now on our call is regulary like today
15:40:28 <fsasaki> Yves: yes
15:40:44 <fsasaki> .. next call September 23rd
15:40:51 <fsasaki> Ingo: regrets for that one
15:41:09 <Zakim> -Syd
15:41:11 <Zakim> -Felix
15:41:12 <Zakim> -Ingo
15:41:14 <Zakim> -YvesS
15:41:14 <Zakim> -camille
15:41:16 <Zakim> I18N_ITS IG()11:00AM has ended
15:41:17 <Zakim> Attendees were YvesS, Felix, Syd, Ingo, +95496aabb, camille
15:41:49 <fsasaki> present: YvesS, Felix, Syd, Ingo, camille
15:41:55 <fsasaki> adjourned
15:42:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
15:46:39 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-i18nits-actions.rdf :
15:46:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to look at SKOS LC draft [1]
15:46:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-i18nits-irc#T15-08-15
15:46:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to review PLS PR draft [2]
15:46:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-i18nits-irc#T15-11-23
15:46:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to add a link to the rules repositoriy to the BP document and the test suite [3]
15:46:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-i18nits-irc#T15-16-45
15:46:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Everybody to try XSLT 1.0 decorator at http://www.w3.org/International/its/its-translate-decorator/02/its-translate-decorator-02.zip [4]
15:46:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-i18nits-irc#T15-23-52
15:46:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ingo to post a mail about context of ITS information [5]
15:46:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-i18nits-irc#T15-27-23
15:46:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ingo to explain "Elements within Text" local streaming issue [6]
15:46:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-i18nits-irc#T15-29-31
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