11:22:57 RRSAgent has joined #mw4d 11:22:57 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/09/01-mw4d-irc 11:23:03 zakim, this iwll be mw4d 11:23:03 I don't understand 'this iwll be mw4d', steph 11:23:08 zakim, this will be mw4d 11:23:08 ok, steph; I see UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM scheduled to start in 37 minutes 11:23:29 Meeting: MW4D IG bi-monthly teleconference 11:23:34 Chair: Stephane 11:27:09 Raphael has joined #mw4d 11:47:29 Jacob has joined #mw4d 11:52:21 jeffs has joined #mw4d 11:52:35 g'day 11:53:21 g'day 11:53:23 UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM has now started 11:53:30 +??P0 11:54:39 hi 11:54:47 zakim, code ? 11:54:47 the conference code is 6493 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), steph 11:54:54 zakim, ??p0 is jeffs 11:54:54 +jeffs; got it 11:55:37 +??P1 11:55:47 JosephMichiels has joined #mw4d 11:55:57 zakim, ??p1 is Steph 11:55:57 +Steph; got it 11:56:54 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2008Aug/0067.html 11:57:35 Hello Joe 11:59:42 Regrets: Ken 11:59:54 + +035850558aaaa 11:59:58 hello 12:00:08 zakim, aaaa is Lauri 12:00:08 +Lauri; got it 12:00:48 Hi guys 12:01:04 zakim, mute me 12:01:04 jeffs should now be muted 12:01:14 Hi Jacob 12:01:18 +[IPcaller] 12:01:21 + +41.22.730.aabb 12:01:40 zakim, aabb is Raphael 12:01:40 +Raphael; got it 12:01:57 zakim, IPcaller is Joe 12:01:57 +Joe; got it 12:02:40 + +41.22.770.aacc 12:02:50 zakim, aacc is Jacob 12:02:50 +Jacob; got it 12:03:29 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2008Aug/0067.html 12:04:17 Topic: Introduction 12:04:28 Joe: 5am in seattle 12:04:41 following the group since a while 12:05:16 joe: university of wsahington since 2 years 12:05:25 s/wsa/was/ 12:05:38 interested in the group mission 12:06:02 Lauri: company ? 12:06:17 Joe: independent working at university of washington 12:07:13 Raphael: will do next time 12:07:30 http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/w3circ 12:07:55 jeffs is scribing now 12:08:03 scribe:Jeffs 12:08:41 Topic:approval of last meeting minutes 12:09:27 I may be away during next meeting 12:09:36 will take notes for next one 12:09:44 Oct. 12:09:52 renjish has joined #mw4d 12:09:54 REsolution: minutes approved 12:09:54 jeffs has joined #mw4d 12:10:08 sorry 12:10:13 stephane: next meeting september 15 and october 6 12:10:32 Topic: reivew of action items 12:10:37 Agenda Item: review of action items 12:11:01 Item: Renjish to write a scenario around the vision 12:11:14 Topic: Renjish to write a scenario around the vision 12:11:31 http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/wiki/mw4dframework#vision 12:11:32 +??P6 12:11:41 zakim, ??p6 is renjish 12:11:41 +renjish; got it 12:11:44 Renjish sent in a paragraph, Stephane is reviewing 12:12:43 we will review and comment for next mtg 12:13:07 Topic: Stephane to initiate discussion about Wiki usage on the mailing list 12:13:50 done 12:13:54 Topic: stephane to publish august 4 minutes on the mw4d homepage 12:13:57 done 12:14:10 Topic: stephane to send information about the w3c technical plenary 12:14:14 + +1.336.413.aadd 12:14:26 zakim, aadd is Evan 12:14:26 +Evan; got it 12:14:39 a few people have indicated they will be at W3 F2F 12:15:05 Lauri also comming 12:15:11 Is there a last date to confirm participation? 12:15:48 Lauri, Jeff, & Steph are confirmed to attend W3C and we will make a F2F happen, at least informally 12:16:39 Steph: could meet 20 Oct for an hour, then Monday 12:16:46 zakim unmute me 12:16:53 zakim, unmute me 12:16:53 jeffs should no longer be muted 12:18:12 zakim, mute me 12:18:12 jeffs should now be muted 12:18:40 discussion of when people will be there so we can arrange F2F 12:20:02 steph: we should avoid monday & tuesday... suggests thursday or friday 12:20:08 zakim, unmute me 12:20:08 jeffs should no longer be muted 12:20:41 zakim, mute me 12:20:41 jeffs should now be muted 12:20:52 Steph: will try to set up friday slot 12:21:13 yes 12:21:22 ACTION: Steph to find room for mtg on thurs or fri 12:21:40 ACTION:Steph to investigate and find a slot for thursday or friday and organize a dinner 12:22:18 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2008/ 12:22:57 zakim, mute me 12:22:57 sorry, JosephMichiels, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 12:23:12 zakim, who is on 12:23:12 I don't understand 'who is on', jeffs 12:23:18 Topic: Wiki discussion 12:23:22 zakim, who is here ? 12:23:22 On the phone I see jeffs (muted), Steph, Lauri, Joe, Raphael, Jacob, renjish, Evan 12:23:24 On IRC I see jeffs, renjish, JosephMichiels, Jacob, Raphael, RRSAgent, Zakim, steph 12:23:29 TOPIC: wiki discussion 12:23:35 http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/wiki/ 12:24:15 steph: have reorganized wiki, asking people to review it, has been adding information 12:24:39 steph: important to keep track of and post about events re this domain 12:25:20 steph: encouraging group to post items to the wiki & to share information via email to the group 12:25:44 steph: he can be point of contact to establish access 12:26:32 Lauri 12:26:53 q+ 12:26:58 ack raphael 12:27:33 Raphael: pointing out possible duplicative pages on wiki which could be combined 12:27:52 Raphael: any limitations on what should go on wiki? 12:28:27 Raphael: notices he gets blocked if he clicks too often... possible problem with "surge protection" on wiki? 12:28:45 Steph: send him directly the error message, so he can debug 12:28:47 ok 12:29:26 Steph: has done some recombination to simplify & eliminate empty/duplicative pages 12:29:50 Steph: in future, may rearrange wiki as pages grow 12:30:24 q+ 12:30:43 ack raphael 12:31:08 Raphael: suggests tools to share bookmarks like del.icio.us 12:32:17 discussion of bookmark sharing tools 12:33:21 Steph: does not know tools & any advantages over wiki pages with links 12:33:24 this is one example: http://delicious.com/gamos 12:34:03 Raphael: likes tagging of links with keywiords/phrases 12:34:22 s/keywiords/keywords 12:35:10 Steph: will look at using this tool 12:35:38 ACTION: Steph will examine bookmark sharing tools that use keywords 12:35:54 Raphael & Steph: discussion of various possible tools 12:36:42 http://digg.com/ 12:36:42 i think this has similar functions 12:37:02 http://delicious.com/mobileactive is a collection of 370 bookmarks 12:37:06 FYI 12:37:14 jeffs: many possible tagging tools, steph can evaluate and post recommendations 12:38:21 TOPIC: Roadmap Document 12:38:23 cgi-irc has joined #mw4d 12:38:42 type "/nick lauri" 12:39:35 Steph: good work done on "vision" document, now time to move on to "Roadmap" document to plan work for next 10 months or so 12:40:31 Steph: wants to discuss w group beginning this document; at end of this mtg he will establish new wiki page for this 12:41:37 Steph: objectives for the document: 1) what technologies are available, & 2) access issues for each technology plus service knowledge & tools needed for each technology 12:41:55 Steph: asking for opinions & feedback on how to start this work 12:42:02 q+ 12:42:09 zakim, unmute me 12:42:09 jeffs should no longer be muted 12:43:06 zakim, mute me 12:43:06 jeffs should now be muted 12:43:19 Jeff: maybe first put up list of technologies 12:43:51 Jeffs: then we can go through the list indicating who has expertise in each area, then they can prepare para or two 12:44:32 Steph: either start w list of technologies or start with list of different challenges and see how each tech fits 12:45:17 evan 12:45:50 Evan: he & his colleagues are compiling a list of technologies 12:46:36 Evan: also what existing projects and pilot programs have succeeded and failed in the past few years 12:46:59 stef has joined #mw4d 12:47:27 Raphael_ has joined #mw4d 12:47:51 Steph: perhaps we can mix the 2 approaches, with a) list of technologies & b) list what has been done so far & challenges 12:48:05 q+ 12:48:12 q- 12:48:54 q+ 12:49:16 zakim, unmute 12:49:16 I don't understand 'unmute', jeffs 12:49:19 ack raphael 12:49:22 ack jefffs 12:49:23 zakim, unmute me 12:49:24 jeffs should no longer be muted 12:49:36 Jeff: it doesn't matter ot me 12:49:42 s/ot/to/ 12:49:55 starting point is important 12:49:59 list technologies 12:50:02 list of challenges 12:50:23 and see how we can sort and match 12:50:34 raphael: wiki format ? 12:50:37 jeffs: sure 12:50:59 brainstorming 12:51:06 starting as quickly as possible 12:51:15 Steph: +1 12:51:20 zakim, mute me 12:51:20 jeffs should now be muted 12:51:49 Steph: proposes mixed approach to deal with initial list as like a "brainstorming" session list 12:52:24 Steph: question for group: any other dimensions for the brainstorming process? 12:52:41 Steph: question for group: any volunteers to start the process 12:52:44 q+ 12:52:56 zakim, unmute me 12:52:56 jeffs should no longer be muted 12:52:58 q+ 12:53:13 q+renjish 12:53:15 +q 12:53:32 Jeff: i will go ahead and volunteer and start the process 12:53:38 ack jeffs 12:53:46 I can start on the technologies 12:53:48 ACTION:STeph =tot start the roadmap page 12:53:49 zakim, mute me 12:53:49 jeffs should now be muted 12:54:02 ack Josephmichiels 12:54:18 s/ACTION:STeph =tot/ Action Steph to 12:54:27 joe: i can surely contributes to both challenges and technology 12:54:29 q? 12:54:34 ack renjish 12:54:47 renjish: will contribute on the tech part 12:56:23 TOPIC: Any Other Business 12:56:26 can we set a tentative deadline for this document? 12:56:32 a rough deadline 12:57:25 Steph: 2 objectives a) state of the art in existing techs, b) identify challenges 12:58:15 Steph: brainstorming part maybe 1 - 1.5 month timeline to get a solid start with specific topics 12:58:34 I think max 2 months would be fine 12:59:04 Steph: any otehr business before we close the call? 12:59:12 s/otehr/other 12:59:15 stephane 12:59:18 one question 12:59:18 thank you 12:59:24 q+ 12:59:25 Steph: no other business, so thanks and goodby 12:59:32 -Raphael 12:59:38 thanks 12:59:40 zakim, unmute me 12:59:40 jeffs should no longer be muted 13:00:49 renjish 13:00:59 is it ok to have the framework done by end of this WG's period? 13:01:02 Steph in response to Renjish: will probably refine "Vision" document with results of "brainstorming" 13:01:27 yes 13:01:42 ok 13:01:44 Steph: perhaps can finish "framework" completed sooner 13:01:58 -Joe 13:01:59 -Steph 13:02:00 -jeffs 13:02:01 -Jacob 13:02:02 -Evan 13:02:04 -renjish 13:02:04 UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM has ended 13:02:05 - jacob 13:02:05 Attendees were jeffs, Steph, +035850558aaaa, Lauri, +41.22.730.aabb, Raphael, Joe, +41.22.770.aacc, Jacob, renjish, +1.336.413.aadd, Evan 13:04:53 rrsagent, make log public 13:04:57 rrsagent, make minutes' 13:04:57 I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes'', stef. Try /msg RRSAgent help 13:04:59 rrsagent, make minutes 13:04:59 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/01-mw4d-minutes.html stef 13:13:02 Raphael_ has left #mw4d 13:27:38 UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM has now started 13:27:45 + +0239236aaaa 13:29:40 zakim, drop aaaa 13:29:40 +0239236aaaa is being disconnected 13:29:41 UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM has ended 13:29:41 Attendees were +0239236aaaa 14:33:50 stef has left #mw4d 15:33:51 Zakim has left #mw4d