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13:44:40 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be BPWG
13:44:40 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see MWI_BPWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 16 minutes
13:44:41 <trackbot> Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
13:44:41 <trackbot> Date: 28 August 2008
13:44:49 <dom> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Aug/0030.html
13:44:50 <dom> Chair: Jo
13:46:10 <dom> Regrets: Francois, Adam, Manrique, Murari, AlanC, Scott, Pontus, EdM
13:57:04 <Zakim> MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has now started
13:57:11 <Zakim> +??P4
13:57:34 <jeffs> zakim, jeffs is P4
13:57:34 <Zakim> sorry, jeffs, I do not recognize a party named 'jeffs'
13:57:47 <jeffs> zakim, P4 is jeffs
13:57:47 <Zakim> sorry, jeffs, I do not recognize a party named 'P4'
13:58:07 <yeliz> yeliz has joined #bpwg
13:58:21 <jo> jo has joined #bpwg
13:59:06 <jeffs> zakim jeffs has P4
13:59:16 <jeffs> zakim, jeffs has P4
13:59:16 <Zakim> sorry, jeffs, I do not recognize a party named 'jeffs'
14:00:01 <jeffs> zakim, ??P4 is jeffs
14:00:01 <Zakim> +jeffs; got it
14:00:50 <jeffs> zakim, who is making noise
14:00:50 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is making noise', jeffs
14:01:02 <jeffs> zakim, noise
14:01:09 <Zakim> I don't understand 'noise', jeffs
14:01:13 <DKA> DKA has joined #bpwg
14:01:28 <dom> zakim, code?
14:01:28 <Zakim> the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dom
14:01:50 <hgerlach> hgerlach has joined #bpwg
14:01:55 <Zakim> +DKA
14:02:00 <DKA> hi all
14:02:09 <DKA> yes very thanks!
14:02:23 <DKA> zakim, who is here?
14:02:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see jeffs, DKA
14:02:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see hgerlach, DKA, jo, yeliz, Zakim, RRSAgent, jeffs, dstorey, matt, trackbot, dom
14:02:25 <Zakim> +??P16
14:02:29 <jeffs> zakim, mute me please
14:02:29 <Zakim> jeffs should now be muted
14:02:33 <dom> zakim, ??P16 is me
14:02:36 <Zakim> +dom; got it
14:03:17 <Zakim> + +049211aaaa
14:03:24 <Zakim> +??P25
14:03:29 <DKA> zakim, who is here?
14:03:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see jeffs (muted), DKA, dom, +049211aaaa, ??P25
14:03:30 <yeliz> zakim, ??P25 is yeliz
14:03:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see hgerlach, DKA, jo, yeliz, Zakim, RRSAgent, jeffs, dstorey, matt, trackbot, dom
14:03:32 <Zakim> +yeliz; got it
14:03:39 <DKA> zakim, who is here?
14:03:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see jeffs (muted), DKA, dom, +049211aaaa, yeliz
14:03:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see hgerlach, DKA, jo, yeliz, Zakim, RRSAgent, jeffs, dstorey, matt, trackbot, dom
14:03:43 <yeliz> zakim, mute me
14:03:46 <Zakim> +jo
14:03:48 <Zakim> yeliz should now be muted
14:03:52 <DKA> zakim, who is here?
14:04:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see jeffs (muted), DKA, dom, +049211aaaa, yeliz (muted), jo
14:04:06 <hgerlach> hgerlach is on the phone as well
14:04:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see hgerlach, DKA, jo, yeliz, Zakim, RRSAgent, jeffs, dstorey, matt, trackbot, dom
14:04:20 <DKA> Zakim, aaaa is hgerlach
14:04:23 <jo> zakim, aaaa is probably hgerlach
14:04:34 <Zakim> +hgerlach; got it
14:04:38 <Zakim> sorry, jo, I do not understand your question
14:04:45 <Zakim> + +0207287aabb
14:05:13 <dom> zakim, who's on the call?
14:05:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see jeffs (muted), DKA, dom, hgerlach, yeliz (muted), jo, +0207287aabb
14:05:16 <rob> rob has joined #bpwg
14:05:52 <Zakim> +??P35
14:06:00 <jeffs> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Aug/0030.html
14:06:14 <Zakim> -dom
14:06:15 <DKA> zakim, aabb is rob_finean
14:06:16 <Zakim> +rob_finean; got it
14:06:24 <DKA> zakim, who is here?
14:06:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see jeffs (muted), DKA, hgerlach, yeliz (muted), jo, rob_finean, ??P35
14:06:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see rob, hgerlach, DKA, jo, yeliz, Zakim, RRSAgent, jeffs, dstorey, matt, trackbot, dom
14:06:47 <DKA> zakim, ??p35 is drooks
14:06:47 <Zakim> +drooks; got it
14:06:50 <Zakim> + +95251aacc
14:07:04 <dom> zakim, aacc is me
14:07:04 <Zakim> +dom; got it
14:07:15 <Zakim> +Kai_Dietrich
14:07:33 <DKA> zakim, who is here?
14:07:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see jeffs (muted), DKA, hgerlach, yeliz (muted), jo, rob_finean, drooks, dom, Kai_Dietrich
14:07:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see rob, hgerlach, DKA, jo, yeliz, Zakim, RRSAgent, jeffs, dstorey, matt, trackbot, dom
14:08:03 <DKA> Scribe: Dan
14:08:06 <DKA> ScribeNick: DKA
14:08:16 <hgerlach> +1
14:08:19 <nacho> nacho has joined #bpwg
14:08:48 <DKA> Topic: Welcome back
14:09:06 <DKA> Topic: CT Taskforce Report
14:09:40 <abel> abel has joined #bpwg
14:10:04 <DKA> Jo: I'll give this report. We're in LC for the CT guidelines. There's been some discussion on the document - quite a lot of which has been quite useful.
14:10:17 <SeanP> SeanP has joined #bpwg
14:10:54 <Zakim> + +03498429aadd
14:11:00 <DKA> Jo: anyone want to bring up any points that have come out on the public feedback?
14:11:00 <nacho> zakim, aadd is me
14:11:00 <Zakim> +nacho; got it
14:11:33 <DKA> Jo: We'll leave it to the CT task force to consider those points and respond appropriately.
14:11:34 <nacho> zakim, abel is with me
14:11:34 <Zakim> +abel; got it
14:11:36 <Zakim> + +1.630.414.aaee
14:11:42 <DKA> Topic: Korean TF
14:11:42 <nacho> zakim, miguel is also with me
14:11:42 <Zakim> I don't understand 'miguel is also with me', nacho
14:11:45 <SeanP> zakim, aaee is me
14:11:45 <Zakim> +SeanP; got it
14:11:47 <nacho> zakim, miguel is with me
14:11:47 <Zakim> +miguel; got it
14:11:58 <DKA> Jo: We'll skip for the time being since no rep.
14:12:02 <DKA> Topic: Checker TF
14:12:07 <DKA> Jo: Any updates?
14:12:28 <DKA> Abel: we have some updates pending - updates of the documentation - but nothing signifigant.
14:12:51 <yeliz> zakim, unmute yeliz
14:12:51 <Zakim> yeliz should no longer be muted
14:13:03 <DKA> Topic: Update on Mobile Web Accessibility
14:13:10 <Kai> Kai has joined #bpwg
14:13:31 <hgerlach> apologize, I have2leave
14:13:43 <DKA> Yeliz: The updated documents are online. Since the last call, EO wg has reviewed these and they have comments - latest comments are addressed.
14:13:48 <Zakim> -hgerlach
14:13:55 <DKA> Yeliz: EO is happy with these documents.
14:14:01 <yeliz> http://www.w3.org/WAI/mobile/experiences-new.html
14:14:13 <yeliz> http://www.w3.org/WAI/mobile/experiences-format.html
14:14:42 <DKA> Jo: these should be considered final, right?
14:14:44 <DKA> Yeliz: yes.
14:15:00 <DKA> Jo: Do you have a suggestion, Dan, to make sure people have time to consider?
14:16:01 <DKA> DKA: Maybe a web form will help ensure it gets the consideration it needs?
14:16:25 <DKA> Jo: Yes makes sense. I'll work with Francois to do this. We should set a deadline of a couple weeks.
14:16:47 <jo> ACTION: Jo to work with _DAN_ and Francois to set up a web form, deadline a couple of weeks
14:16:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-826 - Work with _DAN_ and Francois to set up a web form, deadline a couple of weeks [on Jo Rabin - due 2008-09-04].
14:17:30 <DKA> Topic: BP 1.5
14:17:58 <DKA> Jo: Status?
14:18:29 <DKA> Kai: The last action was to incorporate decisions made in last f2f meetings - I had concluded no action needed.
14:18:44 <yeliz> zakim, mute yeliz
14:18:44 <Zakim> yeliz should now be muted
14:18:45 <DKA> Jo: We're waiting for group feedback and consensus - we need a form maybe?
14:19:53 <DKA> DKA: We will need to do additional work to turn it from Mok Pro into BP 1.5
14:20:06 <DKA> Kai: I've done some of that but it needs feedback from the group.
14:20:23 <DKA> Kai: I'd like feedback that the format is correct.
14:20:44 <DKA> Kai: we need a once-over by the group that it's what we want to publish as a note.
14:21:16 <DKA> Kai: Should it be "BP 1.5"?
14:21:31 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/mobileOKPro/drafts/ED-mobileOK-pro10-tests-20080610 Latest version of the former mobileOK pro document
14:21:33 <DKA> Jo: No that's the short name for "addendum to bp 1.0"
14:22:00 <DKA> Jo: Let's discuss on list and come back to it next week. I will raise an issue.
14:22:17 <Kai> dom, that is not the last version.  need to look for it in mail.
14:22:24 <dom> ah, sorry
14:22:25 <jo> ISSUE: Next steps on the conversion of mobileOK Pro to the Addendum to BP 1.0
14:22:25 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-271 - Next steps on the conversion of mobileOK Pro to the Addendum to BP 1.0 ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/271/edit .
14:22:58 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jul/att-0103/ED-mobileOK-pro10-tests-20080731.htm latest version of former mobileOK pro document (for good)
14:23:02 <DKA> Kai: that [what Dom posted in] is not the correct URL.
14:23:57 <DKA> Kai: yes that's [the latest Dom posted] is the correct one.
14:24:22 <DKA> Topic: MobileOK Scheme
14:24:38 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/Drafts/mobileOK-Trustmark/20080806.html mobileOK Scheme
14:25:07 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Aug/0022.html Francois' comments on mobileOK scheme
14:25:20 <DKA> Jo: Just before we closed down for the summer, Phil Archer took a crack at this document. I then worked on it. Between us we've created a very rough draft of MobileOK scheme. Some comments from Francois. I will find some time to knock it into better shape in next week or so.
14:25:35 <DKA> Jo: Anything else on MobileOK scheme?
14:25:50 <DKA> Topic: Applications Best Practices (BP2)
14:25:55 <DKA> Jo: any speakers on BP2?
14:26:00 <DKA> [crickets]
14:26:08 <DKA> Jo: ok let's discuss next week.
14:26:18 <DKA> Topic: ISSUE-222
14:26:27 <dom> ISSUE-222?
14:26:27 <trackbot> ISSUE-222 -- TAG Finding on Alternative Representations -- OPEN
14:26:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/222
14:26:57 <DKA> Jo: Communication with TAG on TAG finding on alternate representations. I've heard informally from the TAG that they've noted our comments. No formal feedback as things stand. Nothing really to discuss...
14:27:23 <DKA> DKA: Does it make sense to have discussion on this at the TPAC?
14:27:39 <dom> should we close issue-222 now? or do we need to keep tracking it?
14:28:07 <DKA> Jo: When we get formal feedback we can pursue that.
14:28:22 <DKA> DKA: We could make an informal ... something... 
14:28:36 <dom> ack me
14:28:38 <DKA> Jo: Informally yes but not formally informally (formerly).
14:29:16 <DKA> Dom: I think we only need to keep issues open when there's something that merits discussion - we've done all we can do so [maybe we should close the issue].
14:29:44 <jeffs> close it
14:29:47 <DKA> Jo: Any objections to closing ISSUE-222?
14:29:53 <DKA> [no objections noted]
14:30:02 <jo> close ISSUE-222
14:30:44 <DKA> Topic: Widgets Requirements Feedback
14:31:20 <DKA> Jo: Brian formulated some suggestions and sent it over. Most of them made it in, most were then taken out again. Any other comments?
14:31:38 <DKA> Jo: We should note this and move on.
14:32:30 <DKA> Topic: Renewed charter
14:32:33 <dom> ack me
14:32:44 <DKA> Jo: How long do people have to sign up and what progress has there been?
14:33:15 <DKA> Dom: You have to be re-nominated by your AC member otherwise you'll get kicked out.
14:33:23 <DKA> [didn't catch list]
14:33:27 <dom> http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/37584/join
14:33:35 <dom> http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/37584/status
14:33:44 <dom> http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/37584/discrepancies
14:34:15 <DKA> Dom: Only some of them have renominated.
14:34:22 <DKA> I've just done Vodafone.
14:34:51 <DKA> Jo: I think we need an email to go out to folks who have not renominated.
14:35:12 <DKA> Dom: There will be a reminder going out in next couple of days.
14:35:21 <DKA> Jo: For those on the call, please note what Dom said.
14:35:41 <DKA> Topic: Registration for Cannes F2F
14:36:19 <DKA> Topic: f2f?
14:36:20 <dom> -> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2008/registrants#mwbp current registrants for BPWG F2F at TPAC
14:36:33 <dom> [13 registrants so far]
14:36:47 <dom> [discounted rate until September 8 http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/Overview.html#Hotel ]
14:37:59 <jeffs> zakim, who is noisy
14:37:59 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is noisy', jeffs
14:38:13 <jeffs> zakim, who is noisy?
14:38:23 <Zakim> jeffs, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: jo (8%)
14:38:45 <DKA> DKA: We need to discuss what we hope to achieve at the f2f. What documents are we hoping to work on? What focused sessions do we need? What joint sessions do we need to organize (e.g. TAG or POWDER).
14:39:00 <DKA> Jo: Needs discussion on the list, etc...
14:39:12 <DKA> Topic: AOB?
14:39:30 <DKA> [none]
14:39:36 <DKA> Topic: Issues & Actions Review
14:39:39 <dom> ACTION-821?
14:39:40 <trackbot> ACTION-821 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to officialize the ETSI liasion on the W3C side -- due 2008-07-31 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:39:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/821
14:39:46 <dom> ack me
14:40:03 <DKA> Jo: What do we need to know about the ETSI liaison Dom?
14:40:30 <dom> ACTION-814?
14:40:30 <trackbot> ACTION-814 -- Daniel Appelquist to get back to ETSI in accordance with above resolution -- due 2008-07-24 -- OPEN
14:40:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/814
14:40:44 <DKA> Dom: I've done what needs to happen on W3C side to make the liaison happen. Has the letter gone out to ETSI telling them we accept?
14:40:45 <dom> close ACTION-821
14:40:45 <trackbot> ACTION-821 Officialize the ETSI liasion on the W3C side closed
14:40:47 <DKA> Jo: Yes I did that.
14:41:17 <DKA> Jo: Lack of clarity here.
14:41:20 <dom> close ACTION-814
14:41:20 <trackbot> ACTION-814 Get back to ETSI in accordance with above resolution closed
14:41:37 <DKA> Jo: I will follow up with ETSI to find out what's going on.
14:41:45 <jo> ACTION: JO to follow up on what happened to ETSI liaison at their end
14:41:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-827 - Follow up on what happened to ETSI liaison at their end [on Jo Rabin - due 2008-09-04].
14:41:58 <dom> ACTION-825?
14:41:58 <trackbot> ACTION-825 -- Jo Rabin to send final draft ref ISSUE-222 in 1 week -- due 2008-08-07 -- OPEN
14:41:58 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/825
14:42:19 <DKA> Jo: Has anyone heard anything from Chaals over the last few weeks?
14:42:37 <DKA> DKA: I can confirm he's alive.
14:42:56 <dom> ACTION-801?
14:42:56 <trackbot> ACTION-801 -- Daniel Appelquist to thanks Chaals for producing the draft of mok scheme, to apologise on the group's behalf for not responding sooner and to draw his attention to the resolution taken on its contents -- due 2008-07-31 -- OPEN
14:42:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/801
14:43:01 <dom> might be closable
14:43:18 <DKA> Jo: You did that, didn't you, Dan.
14:43:21 <dom> close ACTION-801
14:43:21 <trackbot> ACTION-801 Thanks Chaals for producing the draft of mok scheme, to apologise on the group's behalf for not responding sooner and to draw his attention to the resolution taken on its contents closed
14:43:23 <DKA> DKA: yes. I did.
14:43:29 <jo> close ACTION-801
14:43:29 <trackbot> ACTION-801 Thanks Chaals for producing the draft of mok scheme, to apologise on the group's behalf for not responding sooner and to draw his attention to the resolution taken on its contents closed
14:43:52 <dom> close ACTION-822
14:43:52 <trackbot> ACTION-822 Respond to Shawn to say we are looking at it and will get back to them when we get back from the break closed
14:44:04 <dom> close ACTION-825
14:44:04 <trackbot> ACTION-825 Send final draft ref ISSUE-222 in 1 week closed
14:44:55 <DKA> ACTION-799
14:45:09 <jeffs> zakim, unmute me
14:45:09 <Zakim> jeffs should no longer be muted
14:45:11 <DKA> ACTION-799?
14:45:11 <trackbot> ACTION-799 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to get back to rigo on updating the mobileOK license -- due 2008-07-24 -- OPEN
14:45:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/799
14:45:16 <jeffs> I have 1
14:45:23 <DKA> Dom: I did that but still pending.
14:45:30 <DKA> ACTION-820?
14:45:30 <trackbot> ACTION-820 -- Jeffrey Sonstein to look at providing examples for accessibility document -- due 2008-08-28 -- OPEN
14:45:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/820
14:45:58 <DKA> Jeff: I finally located someone from our national technical institute for the deaf who can work with me on this.
14:46:03 <jeffs> zakim, mute me
14:46:03 <Zakim> jeffs should now be muted
14:46:05 <DKA> Jeff: please leave it in pending.
14:46:26 <DKA> Jo: Thanks all.
14:46:41 <Zakim> -Kai_Dietrich
14:46:43 <Zakim> -dom
14:46:43 <Zakim> -jo
14:46:44 <Zakim> -drooks
14:46:44 <Zakim> -rob_finean
14:46:46 <Zakim> -jeffs
14:46:46 <Zakim> -SeanP
14:46:47 <Zakim> -nacho
14:46:48 <Zakim> -DKA
14:46:49 <dom> Zakim, list attendees
14:46:50 <Zakim> -yeliz
14:46:52 <Zakim> MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has ended
14:46:54 <Zakim> Attendees were jeffs, DKA, dom, +049211aaaa, yeliz, jo, hgerlach, +0207287aabb, rob_finean, drooks, +95251aacc, Kai_Dietrich, +03498429aadd, nacho, abel, +1.630.414.aaee, SeanP,
14:46:57 <Zakim> ... miguel
14:46:59 <Zakim> sorry, dom, I don't know what conference this is
14:47:01 <dom> Zakim, bye
14:47:01 <Zakim> Zakim has left #bpwg
14:47:06 <dom> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:47:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/28-bpwg-minutes.html dom
14:47:23 <rob> rob has left #bpwg
14:48:10 <dom> RRSAgent, bye
14:48:10 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/28-bpwg-actions.rdf :
14:48:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jo to work with _DAN_ and Francois to set up a web form, deadline a couple of weeks [1]
14:48:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/28-bpwg-irc#T14-16-47
14:48:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JO to follow up on what happened to ETSI liaison at their end [2]
14:48:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/28-bpwg-irc#T14-41-45