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14:55:19 <TomB> rrsagent, bookmark
14:55:19 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-irc#T14-55-19
14:55:24 <TomB> zakim, this will be swd
14:55:24 <Zakim> ok, TomB, I see SW_SWD()11:00AM already started
14:55:27 <TomB> Meeting: SWD WG
14:55:32 <TomB> Chair: Guus
14:55:32 <edsu> Antoine: haha, no, my brothers :)
14:56:28 <Zakim> +Ralph
14:56:30 <TomB> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Aug/0030.html
14:57:24 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/08/05-swd-minutes.html previous 2008-08-05
14:58:38 <TomB> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2008/08/05-swd-minutes.html
14:58:50 <TomB> Regrets: Jon
14:58:57 <TomB> rrsagent, please make record public
14:59:03 <TomB> Regrets+ Margherita
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15:00:05 <Zakim> +??P12
15:00:19 <Zakim> +[LC]
15:00:33 <Ralph> zakim, lc is EdSu
15:00:34 <Zakim> +EdSu; got it
15:00:41 <Zakim> + +22427aaaa
15:00:53 <Ralph> zakim, aaaa is Quentin
15:00:53 <Zakim> +Quentin; got it
15:01:08 <Ralph> zakim, ??p12 is probably Alistair
15:01:08 <Zakim> +Alistair?; got it
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15:01:28 <Zakim> +Antoine_Isaac
15:01:37 <Zakim> +[VrijeUni]
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15:02:05 <TomB> zakim, VrijeUni is Guus
15:02:05 <Zakim> +Guus; got it
15:02:11 <Zakim> +??P25
15:02:16 <seanb> zakim, ??P25 is me
15:02:16 <Zakim> +seanb; got it
15:03:25 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
15:03:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see TomB, Ralph, Alistair? (muted), EdSu, Quentin, Antoine_Isaac, Guus, seanb
15:03:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see Guus, berrueta, qreul, seanb, RRSAgent, TomB, Zakim, aliman, Ralph, Antoine, edsu
15:03:38 <Zakim> +[CTIC]
15:03:42 <berrueta> zakim, [CTIC] is me
15:03:48 <Zakim> +berrueta; got it
15:04:05 <Zakim> +Ben_Adida
15:04:14 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Ben_Adida
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15:05:02 <Zakim> +[LC]
15:05:24 <Ralph> scribe: QReul
15:05:30 <Ralph> zakim, lc is Clay
15:05:30 <Zakim> +Clay; got it
15:05:55 <qreul> Topic: Admin
15:06:40 <qreul> PROPOSED to accept minutes of the last telecon: http://www.w3.org/2008/08/05-swd-minutes.html
15:07:03 <qreul> Proposed resolution:ISSUE-83 => ISSUE 123 
15:07:10 <Clay> Clay has joined #swd
15:07:29 <qreul> RESOLVED
15:08:44 <JeremyCarroll> JeremyCarroll has joined #swd
15:08:58 <qreul> Next telecon: 26 Aug
15:09:21 <Zakim> +Ralph
15:09:21 <Zakim> + +7.944.aabb
15:09:34 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, aabb is me
15:09:34 <Zakim> +JeremyCarroll; got it
15:09:51 <qreul> Group agreed to meet next week 
15:09:57 <qreul> Topic: SKOS
15:10:15 <qreul> 2 reviews of the SKOS reference have been provided
15:10:25 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, mute me
15:10:28 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll should now be muted
15:10:45 <qreul> Sean: started to address comments made by Guus
15:10:46 <aliman> zakim, please unmute alistair
15:10:48 <Zakim> Alistair? should no longer be muted
15:11:01 <seanb> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/Reference/Planning
15:11:12 <Zakim> -Ralph
15:11:18 <Zakim> -Ralph
15:11:23 <Zakim> +Ralph
15:11:51 <qreul> Wiki has the text from the review and shows progress
15:12:11 <qreul> discussion required about one or two of Margherita's comment
15:13:07 <qreul> Guus asked to discuss section 1.5
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15:13:35 <qreul> Guus: says that the explanantion for integrity constraint is unclear
15:13:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes.html Ralph
15:14:06 <qreul> Sean: often if an assumption is made and if a property doesn't have a domain and range that this can be an error
15:14:19 <qreul> However, this is not correct
15:14:51 <qreul> Alistair: wasn't sure how to express the idea
15:15:06 <qreul> Guus: part can be dropped as not essential to the argument
15:15:31 <qreul> Sean: do you propose to drop the whole pragraph?
15:16:20 <qreul> Guus: only people knowledgeable about DL wouldn't know this is an error
15:17:00 <qreul> Make explicit that datatype don't have to be made explicit
15:17:37 <qreul> Sean: No objection if the comments are addressed
15:18:11 <qreul> Guus: would like to get an email showing how the different comments have been addressed
15:18:32 <qreul> Sean: The wiki addresses this and then will send an email version of the wiki page
15:19:25 <qreul> Guus: the revision should be made available by next Tuesday for a decision to be made at next telecon
15:19:59 <qreul> Guus: question about cardinality in appendix 2.2
15:20:20 <qreul> Alistair: thought it was correct
15:20:37 <qreul> Guus: difference between local and global constraints
15:20:55 <qreul> is the intended semantic should always be 1?
15:21:53 <qreul> text seem to suggest it should be precisely one label
15:23:15 <qreul> ACTION: Sean and Alistair to propose a solution for the last call by Fri 22/08/08 
15:23:43 <qreul> s/solution/revised reference
15:24:01 <Ralph> reference to what?
15:24:04 <Ralph> (so we remember)
15:24:12 <qreul> SKOS reference
15:24:24 <qreul> ACTION: Ed to investigate what text could be added to primer re. concept co-ordination [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/22-swd-minutes.html#action02] 
15:24:42 <edsu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Aug/0032.html
15:24:47 <Ralph> oh, a revised Editor's Draft -- ok, I misunderstood :)
15:24:52 <qreul> --done
15:25:03 <qreul> ACTION: Guus to write primer text re: broaderGeneric and equivalence w/r/t subclass [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action08] 
15:25:24 <aliman> zakim, mute alistair
15:25:24 <Zakim> Alistair? should now be muted
15:26:57 <Ralph> from the March 18 meeting record:
15:27:06 <Ralph> [[
15:27:07 <Ralph> Sean: make skos:broaderGeneric rdfs:subPropertyOf rdfs:subClassOf .
15:27:07 <Ralph> Guus: if you look at the broader definition it's not clear
15:27:07 <Ralph> ... need more dicussion
15:27:07 <Ralph> Alistair: if you have broaderGeneric as a subPropertyOf subClassOf
15:27:07 <Ralph> ... through broaderGeneric
15:27:09 <Ralph> ... requires more thought
15:27:11 <Ralph> Sean: no theoretical reason for having super as transitive
15:27:13 <Ralph> Guus: proposal was to write some primer text on it and should be fine
15:27:15 <Ralph> ]]
15:27:23 <qreul> --dropped
15:27:32 <Zakim> +??P8
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15:27:41 <qreul> Ed and Antoine said it was required anymore
15:27:46 <Ralph> zakim, ??p8 is probably DLRubin
15:27:46 <Zakim> +DLRubin?; got it
15:27:49 <qreul> ACTION: Alistair to update the history page adding direct link to latest version of rdf triple [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/17-swd-minutes.html#action01] 
15:28:11 <aliman> continues
15:28:18 <qreul> --continues
15:28:29 <qreul> ACTION: Ed to write a note on SKOS-XL in the Primer [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/05-swd-minutes.html#action10] 
15:28:36 <qreul> --done
15:28:48 <qreul> Antoine wrote the proposal
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15:29:33 <edsu> Antoine: thanks for picking that skos-xl primer stuff up
15:29:43 <qreul> -- primer status
15:29:57 <qreul> Antoine has published on the wikki the latest editor's draft
15:30:06 <qreul> it could be considered for publication
15:30:16 <qreul> except that 2 items have still to be addressed
15:30:30 <qreul> 1. Tom has some editorial comments (minor)
15:30:48 <qreul> 2. Comment made by Alistair about example to be modified
15:31:00 <qreul> Ed is currently addressing this problem now
15:31:22 <aliman> ed sounds great
15:31:28 <qreul> Ed: the example is going to be adapted to be more real
15:32:00 <aliman> zakim, unmute me
15:32:00 <Zakim> sorry, aliman, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
15:32:22 <aliman> /me zakim, unmute alistair
15:32:29 <qreul> 3. Related to comment on reference wrt to provenance and name graph 
15:32:53 <qreul> The problem is caused by the Primer referring to the reference 
15:33:07 <qreul> Alistair: no current plans
15:33:23 <qreul> Guus: propose to re-use text from previous reference
15:33:45 <qreul> Antoine: the section was empty, and not really sure how to solve it
15:33:57 <qreul> This is wrt section 2.5 and 3.1
15:34:23 <seanb> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/DraftPrimer?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=SKOSPrimer-080819.html
15:34:48 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Aug/0041.html "new editor's draft of the SKOS Primer" [Antoine 2008-08-19]
15:35:24 <qreul> Antoine: propose solution to remove reference to these section
15:35:50 <qreul> Alistait: could refer to Web Conference paper on name graph
15:36:24 <qreul> \s/these section/these section in the primer
15:36:52 <qreul> Ralph: to refer to this work could be confusing to SKOS readers
15:37:22 <qreul> Sean: would be stranged to say there isn't any mechanism to do this
15:37:51 <qreul> Ralph: it's currently true, unless an example is created 
15:38:06 <Ralph> s/example/example showing SPARQL usage/
15:38:19 <qreul> Alistair: SKOS Reference doesn't cover this issue 
15:38:41 <Ralph> s/this work/this work in progress on named graphs/
15:41:54 <qreul> ACTION: Ralph and Guus to review the Primer Editor's Draft
15:42:00 <qreul> Topic: RDFa
15:43:03 <qreul> Diego: The implementation report has been submitted
15:43:16 <qreul> Does this need to be formally reviewed?
15:43:38 <berrueta> s/Diego:/Ben:
15:43:41 <qreul> The syntax draft should also be reviewed
15:44:17 <qreul> Guues: thought the taskforce wanted to have a review of the implementation report
15:44:25 <Ralph> we're not proposing to publish the Implementation Report as a Group Note, are we?
15:44:38 <Ralph> s/Does this/Ralph: Does thi/
15:44:45 <qreul> Ben: Ask the reviewer (Ed and Diego) to check wether changes are ok
15:44:49 <Ralph> s/Does thi/Does/this
15:44:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes.html Ralph
15:45:18 <qreul> ACTION: Ed and Diego to review the latest document
15:45:50 <qreul> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/implementation-report/
15:46:10 <edsu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Aug/0044.html
15:46:18 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Aug/0044.html "RDFa Implementation Report and Reviewed Editors' Draft" [Ben 2008-08-19]
15:46:19 <Zakim> -Ben_Adida
15:47:00 <qreul> Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
15:47:03 <qreul> --done
15:47:20 <edsu> s/latest document/latest RDFa Syntax Editor's Draft/
15:47:50 <qreul> ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] 
15:47:53 <qreul> --done
15:47:54 <Ralph> Ralph: what about CURIE Last Call draft review?
15:47:57 <GuusS> zakim, who is here?
15:47:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see TomB, alistair (muted), EdSu, Quentin, Antoine_Isaac, Guus, seanb, berrueta, Clay, JeremyCarroll (muted), Ralph, DLRubin?
15:47:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see GuusS, dlrubin, monarcho, JeremyCarroll, berrueta, qreul, seanb, RRSAgent, TomB, Zakim, aliman, Ralph, Antoine, edsu
15:48:01 <Ralph> Guus: take that under other business
15:48:16 <qreul> Topic: Recipes
15:48:19 <Ralph> [I'd have liked to take that up before Ben left, but ok]
15:48:35 <qreul> Guus: Is anything blocking publication?
15:48:43 <qreul> ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20] 
15:48:47 <qreul> --continues
15:48:55 <qreul> ACTION: Jon and Ralph to publish Recipes as Working Group Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/10-swd-minutes.html#action03] 
15:48:58 <qreul> --continues
15:49:08 <qreul> Topic: AOB
15:49:18 <qreul> a. Minimum RDFa metadata set for WG deliverables 
15:50:18 <qreul> I seem to have lost the line
15:50:30 <Ralph> scribenick: ralph
15:50:32 <Zakim> -Quentin
15:50:38 <Ralph> Diego: I changed the formatting as Ralph requested
15:50:44 <Ralph> ... I'd like to add some examples
15:51:15 <Zakim> +JeffP
15:51:21 <Ralph> ... regarding GRDDL, I added a section on how to use GRDDL
15:51:34 <Ralph> ... I'd like to discuss this section -- whether it's relevant or not
15:51:58 <Ralph> zakim, jeffP is Quentin
15:51:59 <Zakim> +Quentin; got it
15:52:07 <Ralph> scribenick: qreul
15:52:17 <berrueta> --> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/AddingRDFaToTR?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=draft.html
15:53:04 <qreul> Section "How to use GRDDL?" needs to have some such material to be included
15:53:27 <qreul> ... the current markup could be confusing however
15:53:43 <qreul> ... i.e. TR markup with RDFa
15:54:12 <qreul> Diego: changed the name of the document wrt the document name
15:54:51 <qreul> No problem with the title as mainly using RDFa 
15:55:13 <aliman> /msg tomb hope you feel better soon
15:55:24 <qreul> Sean: Problem with HTML tag in the document
15:55:47 <qreul> Diego: Content negociation could be the problem
15:56:07 <qreul> Sean: though it was caused with DTD
15:56:44 <Ralph> Ralph: I have no objection to the change in title from "RDFa" to "metadata", but the justification is NOT that we're using more than RDFa 
15:56:48 <qreul> Diego: problem has not been evaluated as problem with W3C markup validator
15:57:24 <qreul> ACTION: Diego to put the Wiki page on RDFa metadata in a Note form [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/05-swd-minutes.html#action11]
15:57:28 <qreul> --continues
15:57:35 <qreul> b. Review CURIE Syntax 1.0 by Sep 5 
15:57:42 <qreul> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Aug/0029.html 
15:57:48 <Ralph> [I'd say that Diego's action is done :) and now we're reviewing it ]
15:58:10 <qreul> http://www.w3.org/TR/curie/
15:58:37 <qreul> Revision of the RDFa syntax addressing problem in Curie
15:59:30 <JeremyCarroll> q+
15:59:43 <qreul> This group through the RDFa are co-author of the Curie syntax and as such we were asked to review the document
15:59:45 <JeremyCarroll> Zakim, unmute me
15:59:45 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll should no longer be muted
16:00:16 <qreul> Jeremy: What if curie spec are rejected but NOT RDFa?
16:00:33 <qreul> No answer can be made @ the current time
16:00:59 <qreul> Discussion to be postponed to next week
16:01:20 <qreul> ACTION: Jeremy to review Curie syntax doc by Sep 05
16:01:22 <Ralph> s/No answer/Ralph: No answer
16:01:34 <Zakim> -Clay
16:01:36 <Zakim> -DLRubin?
16:01:36 <Zakim> -JeremyCarroll
16:01:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes.html Ralph
16:01:36 <dlrubin> dlrubin has left #swd
16:01:37 <Zakim> -EdSu
16:01:40 <Zakim> -berrueta
16:01:44 <Zakim> -TomB
16:01:54 <Zakim> -Quentin
16:01:54 <Zakim> -Antoine_Isaac
16:01:55 <Zakim> -seanb
16:02:05 <Zakim> -alistair
16:02:07 <Zakim> -Guus
16:02:15 <Zakim> -Ralph
16:02:16 <Zakim> SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended
16:02:17 <Zakim> Attendees were TomB, Ralph, EdSu, +22427aaaa, Quentin, Alistair?, Antoine_Isaac, Guus, seanb, berrueta, Ben_Adida, Clay, +7.944.aabb, JeremyCarroll, alistair, DLRubin?
16:02:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes.html Ralph
16:02:47 <qreul> That would be great
16:02:52 <qreul> thanks very much
16:02:54 <Ralph> :) ok
16:02:57 <Ralph> thanks for scribing!
16:03:01 <Ralph> zakim, bye
16:03:02 <Zakim> Zakim has left #swd
16:03:03 <qreul> no prolem
16:03:28 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
16:03:28 <RRSAgent> I see 12 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-actions.rdf :
16:03:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Sean and Alistair to propose a solution for the last call by Fri 22/08/08  [1]
16:03:28 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-irc#T15-23-15
16:03:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ed to investigate what text could be added to primer re. concept co-ordination [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/22-swd-minutes.html#action02]  [2]
16:03:28 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-irc#T15-24-24
16:03:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to write primer text re: broaderGeneric and equivalence w/r/t subclass [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action08]  [3]
16:03:28 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-irc#T15-25-03
16:03:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Alistair to update the history page adding direct link to latest version of rdf triple [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/17-swd-minutes.html#action01]  [4]
16:03:28 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-irc#T15-27-49
16:03:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ed to write a note on SKOS-XL in the Primer [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/05-swd-minutes.html#action10]  [5]
16:03:28 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-irc#T15-28-29
16:03:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph and Guus to review the Primer Editor's Draft [6]
16:03:28 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-irc#T15-41-54
16:03:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ed and Diego to review the latest document [7]
16:03:28 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-irc#T15-45-18
16:03:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]  [8]
16:03:28 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-irc#T15-47-50
16:03:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]  [9]
16:03:28 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-irc#T15-48-43
16:03:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jon and Ralph to publish Recipes as Working Group Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/10-swd-minutes.html#action03]  [10]
16:03:28 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-irc#T15-48-55
16:03:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Diego to put the Wiki page on RDFa metadata in a Note form [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/05-swd-minutes.html#action11] [11]
16:03:28 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-irc#T15-57-24
16:03:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeremy to review Curie syntax doc by Sep 05 [12]
16:03:28 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-irc#T16-01-20