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14:56:43 <ChrisW> zakim, this will be rif
14:56:43 <Zakim> ok, ChrisW; I see SW_RIF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
14:56:58 <ChrisW> Meeting: RIF Telecon 19-Aug-08
14:57:05 <ChrisW> Chair: Chris Welty
14:57:58 <ChrisW> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Aug/0078.html
14:58:12 <ChrisW> ChrisW has changed the topic to: 19 Aug RIF Telecon Agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Aug/0078.html
14:58:22 <ChrisW> Scribe: MichaelKifer
14:58:32 <ChrisW> zakim, clear agenda
14:58:32 <Zakim> agenda cleared
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15:00:11 <Zakim> +Mike_Dean
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15:00:33 <yuting> ?who
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15:01:04 <Zakim> +josb
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15:01:40 <ChrisW> agenda+ Admin
15:01:44 <ChrisW> agenda+ Liason
15:01:46 <Zakim> +Sandro
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15:03:04 <ChrisW> zakim, aaaa is me
15:03:04 <Zakim> +ChrisW; got it
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15:03:55 <ChrisW> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:03:56 <Zakim> +Dave_Reynolds (was John_Boyer)
15:04:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see Mike_Dean, josb, MichaelKifer, Sandro, JeffP, Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), ChrisW, Dave_Reynolds, Stella_Mitchell, LeoraMorgenstern
15:04:43 <ChrisW> agenda+ Action review
15:04:49 <ChrisW> agenda+ F2F11
15:04:54 <ChrisW> agenda+ Core
15:04:58 <ChrisW> agenda+ Test Cases
15:05:03 <ChrisW> agenda+ External review
15:05:07 <ChrisW> agenda+ AOB
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15:06:26 <ChrisW> zakim, next item
15:06:26 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Admin" taken up [from ChrisW]
15:06:42 <Zakim> + +0493516aabb
15:06:55 <AdrianP> Zakim, aabb is me
15:06:55 <Zakim> +AdrianP; got it
15:07:02 <AdrianP> Zakim, mute me
15:07:02 <Zakim> AdrianP should now be muted
15:07:10 <Hassan> ok
15:07:17 <Zakim> +??P48
15:07:17 <ChrisW> Scribe: Hassan
15:07:59 <ChrisW> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Aug/att-0075/12-August-08-rif-minutes-revised.htm
15:08:17 <ChrisW> PROPOSED: accept minutes of Aug 12 telecon
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15:08:29 <ChrisW> RESOLVED: accept minutes of Aug 12 telecon
15:08:30 <MichaelKifer_> test
15:08:51 <ChrisW> zakim, next item
15:08:51 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Liason" taken up [from ChrisW]
15:09:03 <AxelPolleres> q+
15:10:02 <Hassan> Sandro: OWL WG meeting a few weeks ago: go to last call in Oct 08. Draft due next month. 
15:10:06 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/InternationalizedStringSpec
15:10:20 <MichaelKifer_> I can try scribing and hope my Inet connection holds up
15:10:25 <ChrisW> ack axel
15:10:36 <Hassan> me it's ok mike
15:10:49 <MichaelKifer_> ok
15:11:15 <sandro> see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-text/
15:11:17 <Hassan> Axel: reporting on the OWL/RIF comments
15:11:51 <AxelPolleres> s/OWL\/RIF comments/rdf:text/
15:12:15 <ChrisW> action: chris to figure out how to link to rdf:text comments
15:12:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-559 - Figure out how to link to rdf:text comments [on Christopher Welty - due 2008-08-26].
15:13:21 <AxelPolleres> sandro will add a link to http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/InternationalizedStringSpec with the mailinglist address to solicit feedback?
15:14:08 <Hassan> Axel: still open issues remaining; on his (Axel's) side nothing new to tell 
15:14:18 <ChrisW> zakim, next item
15:14:18 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Action review" taken up [from ChrisW]
15:15:16 <AdrianP> Zakim, unmute me
15:15:16 <Zakim> AdrianP should no longer be muted
15:15:33 <AdrianP> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/PRD#Rules_instantiation:_INSTANTIATE
15:15:38 <AxelPolleres> I completed ACTION-552, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Aug/0074.html
15:15:59 <AdrianP> currently the semantics does not account for pattern formula associated with an enclosing Forall
15:16:25 <AdrianP> Zakim, mute me
15:16:25 <Zakim> AdrianP should now be muted
15:18:24 <ChrisW> zakim, next item
15:18:24 <Zakim> agendum 4. "F2F11" taken up [from ChrisW]
15:19:05 <Hassan> No suggestion for hotels
15:19:08 <Zakim> + +1.503.533.aacc
15:20:07 <Hassan> ChrisW: try hotels in Brooklyn or wven Queens using public trans. to get lower rates
15:20:22 <Hassan> s/wven/even/
15:20:42 <ChrisW> zakim, next item
15:20:42 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Core" taken up [from ChrisW]
15:20:46 <yuting> Zakim, mute me
15:20:46 <Zakim> sorry, yuting, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
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15:21:37 <ChrisW> action: chris to put DTB review on agenda for next week
15:21:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-560 - Put DTB review on agenda for next week [on Christopher Welty - due 2008-08-26].
15:22:07 <ChrisW> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Aug/0067.html
15:22:48 <Hassan> ChrisW: What should CORE be?
15:23:44 <Hassan> BLD intersected PRD = CORE?
15:24:54 <Hassan> DaveReynolds and GaerHallmark agree on this def
15:25:09 <Hassan> s/Gaer/Gary/
15:25:23 <AdrianP> Zakim, unmute me
15:25:23 <Zakim> AdrianP should no longer be muted
15:26:01 <Hassan> ChrisW: Assume this is so (CORE *is* the intersection) - how do we define this language?
15:27:07 <Hassan> GaryHallmark: decidability or tractability issues for CORE are not relevant for RIF
15:27:11 <AdrianP> q+
15:27:35 <Hassan> ChrisW: What does such an intersection look like?
15:28:02 <Hassan> GaryHallmark: we could extract the syntax from the common grammar rules
15:28:35 <AdrianP> core production rule syntax, i.e. without negation; only assert in the head and without the special pattern formula in the forall
15:29:02 <ChrisW> ack adrian
15:29:05 <Hassan> GaryHallmark: intended semantics overlap is a fuzzy concept; make things that are relevant or not more explicit
15:29:26 <Hassan> AdrianP: Suggests a specific language
15:29:51 <Hassan> AdrianP: will work it out (for the condition language)
15:29:56 <ChrisW> action: AdrianP to document the BLD/PRD syntax intersection
15:29:57 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - AdrianP
15:30:05 <ChrisW> action: Adrian to document the BLD/PRD syntax intersection
15:30:05 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Adrian
15:30:05 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. agiurca, apaschke)
15:30:08 <AdrianP> q-
15:30:19 <ChrisW> action: apaschke to document the BLD/PRD syntax intersection
15:30:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-561 - Document the BLD/PRD syntax intersection [on Adrian Paschke - due 2008-08-26].
15:30:50 <AdrianP> Zakim, mute me
15:30:50 <Zakim> AdrianP should now be muted
15:31:14 <AdrianP> yes
15:31:34 <Hassan> ChrisW:  Handling of external functions; skolem functions as well
15:31:43 <Hassan> Subclassing also
15:32:20 <Hassan> DaveReynolds: prefers that CORE stay minimal and not have membership and subclass
15:33:04 <josb> q+
15:33:10 <ChrisW> ack jos
15:33:20 <Hassan> ChrisW: Who would disagree as a maximal intersection of PRB and BLD?
15:33:39 <Hassan> Jos: how useful a language would that be?
15:34:10 <Hassan> ChrisW: a maximal intersection of PRB and BLD would make interchange easier
15:34:24 <Hassan> Jos: yes, but there may be other uses for CORE
15:34:55 <Hassan> ChrisW: so it should be easy to "implement" 
15:35:04 <AdrianP> other uses e.g. the integration of CORE + ontologies. Decidability is often a requirement for many application scenarios
15:35:43 <GaryHallmark> PRD has no equality in the head, so neither does Core
15:35:50 <Hassan> ChrisW: Jos would an Easy-To-Implement core bigger or less?
15:36:01 <Hassan> Jos: it would be less
15:36:56 <Hassan> GaryHallmark: it would be goood to itemize "things" make make this hard ... disjunction?
15:37:11 <Hassan> s/goood/good/
15:37:12 <AdrianP> disjunction in the body can be split into two rules, so there is no need to have it in Core
15:37:30 <Hassan> s/make make/that make/
15:38:06 <Hassan> DaveReynolds describes features that he's wish for CORE (a la JENNA)
15:38:29 <Hassan> s/he's/he'd/
15:39:01 <AdrianP> s/JENNA/Jena/
15:39:14 <Hassan> ChrisW: another aspect is to relate it to existing languages
15:39:46 <Zakim> -Mike_Dean
15:39:50 <ChrisW> action: Dave to open CORE issues on tracker
15:39:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-562 - Open CORE issues on tracker [on Dave Reynolds - due 2008-08-26].
15:40:09 <ChrisW> q?
15:40:12 <ChrisW> zakim, next item
15:40:12 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Test Cases" taken up [from ChrisW]
15:40:19 <Hassan> ChrisW: More on Core?
15:40:33 <Hassan> No more on core
15:40:42 <AdrianP> the discussion points: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Aug/0056.html
15:41:52 <Hassan> ChrisW: shooting for one-month after the F2F to have the final draft ready
15:41:55 <StellaMitchell> yes
15:41:56 <AdrianP> Zakim, unmute me
15:41:56 <Zakim> AdrianP should no longer be muted
15:42:11 <StellaMitchell> about how many test cases by then?
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15:42:19 <Hassan> ChrisW: review of the approach? 
15:42:37 <AdrianP> Zakim, unmute me
15:42:37 <Zakim> AdrianP was not muted, AdrianP
15:43:12 <Hassan> Discussing format of the document
15:43:27 <AdrianP> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Category:Test_Case
15:44:43 <Hassan> StellaMitchell: Test Case Number of Results as an example
15:44:55 <josb> q+
15:45:23 <Hassan> AdrianP: explains what a query is in the context on the test case
15:45:53 <ChrisW> ack jos
15:46:15 <Hassan> Jos: Why do you need such a concept as a "query"?
15:46:39 <AxelPolleres> I made some comments on test cases and "query" answers in my mail.
15:46:54 <Hassan> Jos: proposes a simple scheme instead
15:47:13 <Hassan> ChrisW: we have not defined what a query is
15:47:16 <AxelPolleres> +1 to jos because enumerating "answers" is not possible, especially if there are infinite answers.
15:47:30 <Hassan> Jos: exactly so better not use it
15:48:10 <Hassan> AdrianP: we need it because entailment is not enough in certain test cases
15:48:31 <Hassan> Jos: argues against the need
15:48:37 <AxelPolleres> ... also, we'd need a defined output format, etc.
15:48:43 <ChrisW> q?
15:48:58 <Hassan> ChrisW: I think Adrian is referring more to a unit test
15:49:05 <AdrianP> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Category:Test_Case
15:50:06 <Hassan> ChrisW: does not like the arrow of the frame notation
15:50:35 <Hassan> (Test case Positive Entailment Test)
15:51:26 <Hassan> ChrisW: understands the notation Premiss -> Conclusion
15:52:33 <AxelPolleres> no.
15:52:47 <AxelPolleres> no arbitrary condition...
15:53:31 <Hassan> ChrisW: hesitant to define a whole new language for just test cases
15:53:32 <AxelPolleres> ... I was suggesting such more general built-ins some time ago.
15:53:39 <AxelPolleres> q+
15:53:46 <ChrisW> ack a
15:53:56 <DaveReynolds> positive and negative entailment tests seem like the main ones to me
15:54:07 <GaryHallmark> can a BLD expert comment on the "answer" to http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/PositiveEntailment_Entail_everything
15:54:14 <Hassan> Axel: agrees - need a new language for the queries, the output, etc ...
15:54:47 <Hassan> ChrisW: try to focus on entailment
15:55:39 <Hassan> StellaMitchell: question on the exact nature of the test cases
15:55:44 <josb> Gary: Indeed, A(t), for any ground term t, is entailed
15:56:05 <Hassan> ChrisW: test cases should use things that are expressible in BLD
15:56:19 <josb> If you say everything is in A, you can derive that everything is in A
15:56:43 <Hassan> ChrisW: let's keep it simple
15:56:47 <AxelPolleres> I would have more comments when it comes to test cases for core... but I don't know whether this is in scope of the discussion now and whether I haven't said all in the mails yet on this topic.
15:57:27 <josb> q+
15:57:32 <Hassan> ChrisW: Jos and Michael - please think up some test cases for BLD
15:57:35 <ChrisW> ack jos
15:58:00 <Hassan> Jos: also w/ RDF and OWL - will do
15:58:15 <StellaMitchell> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/SWC_test1
15:59:01 <Hassan> ChrisW: anyone else please as well
15:59:38 <AdrianP> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Built-Ins_numeric_add
16:00:05 <AdrianP> a test case for each DTB built-in
16:00:09 <josb> many
16:00:09 <Hassan> StellaMitchell: do we need things like shown in "Built-Ins numeric add" test case?
16:00:11 <AdrianP> Zakim, mute me
16:00:11 <Zakim> AdrianP should now be muted
16:00:54 <Hassan> ChrisW: this looks more like what I was imagining ...
16:01:24 <Hassan> StellaMitchell: do we need to verify that all the builins are implemented?
16:01:24 <josb> q+
16:01:28 <sandro> q+
16:01:35 <Hassan> s/builins/builtins/
16:01:45 <ChrisW> action: chris to add "test case for every builtin?" to issues list
16:01:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-563 - Add \"test case for every builtin?\" to issues list [on Christopher Welty - due 2008-08-26].
16:01:49 <AdrianP> usually test cases a simple, at least from the point of view of test-driven development in agile programming
16:01:53 <ChrisW> ack jos
16:02:05 <AdrianP> s/a/are
16:02:10 <Hassan> Jos: wonders if test cases for consistency checking are needed?
16:02:18 <josb> "a"="b"
16:02:53 <AxelPolleres> jos, could you specify an example for where builtins cause inconsistency?!?
16:03:06 <AdrianP> beside entailment tests we currently have syntax tests
16:03:11 <AdrianP> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Negative_Syntax_free_vars
16:03:33 <Hassan> ChrisW and Axel do not believe so
16:04:04 <Hassan> StellaMitchell: it was question to have some consistency checks are needed
16:04:13 <ChrisW> ack sandro
16:04:28 <Hassan> s/checks/checks where they/
16:04:28 <AdrianP> I listed some categories of potential test cases here http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Test#Categories_of_RIF_Test_Cases
16:05:06 <josb> Axel: currently not sure whether there is anything besides equality that can cause inconsistency, but I suspect there is
16:05:21 <Hassan> Sandro: agrees that as much consistency check should be done (necessary conditions, not sufficient)
16:05:54 <AdrianP> inconsistency e.g. in PRD due to negation
16:06:13 <Hassan> Sandro: discusses the format of the tests (for nested tables) and how to simplify it
16:06:37 <AdrianP> Zakim, unmute me
16:06:37 <Zakim> AdrianP should no longer be muted
16:07:05 <Hassan> AdrianP: asks a question about editing the test cases
16:07:41 <Hassan> AdrianP: using a standard syntax or XML
16:08:06 <Hassan> StellaMitchell: yes we need an official format
16:08:13 <Zakim> +Mike_Dean
16:08:27 <GaryHallmark> stella: nice to be able to enter tests in presentation syntax and then auto convert to XML
16:08:54 <StellaMitchell> did Hassan write a program to convert PS to XML?
16:09:21 <Zakim> -MichaelKifer
16:09:30 <Hassan> Sandro: discusses how to organize the wiki to automate all this
16:10:29 <Hassan> Sandro: using RDF data and XHTML tables
16:11:25 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
16:11:47 <ChrisW> action: hassan to finish PS to XML conversion based on LC BLD grammar
16:11:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-564 - Finish PS to XML conversion based on LC BLD grammar [on Hassan Ait-Kaci - due 2008-08-26].
16:13:40 <Hassan> Sandro: discussing using Pres. Syntax and then generate XML form
16:14:49 <Hassan> ChrisW: how do we ensure that all versions of the same syntax are kept consistent with one another?
16:15:35 <Hassan> ChrisW: the idea is to keep all the wiki versions of the same thing be kept consistent (in PS or XML)
16:15:50 <Hassan> Sandro: there are ways to do that ...
16:16:41 <Hassan> ChrisW: test metadata and the submission process?
16:16:59 <Hassan> AdrianP: describes the current submission process ...
16:17:14 <Hassan> ChrisW: what about an editorial process?
16:17:19 <Hassan> AdrianP: yes
16:17:35 <Hassan> ChrisW: how - email? wiki?
16:17:35 <LeoraMorgenstern> I think email submission is fine.
16:18:12 <Hassan> Sandro: not sure of ways to do that ...
16:18:26 <LeoraMorgenstern> If it's emailed to the WG, we will have a record of it, but still not allow access to the wiki.
16:18:36 <Hassan> Sandro: ... from the wiki
16:18:49 <LeoraMorgenstern> In any case, we have to vet and modify the examples, so there will be work involved in any case with exernal submissions.
16:18:55 <Hassan> Sandro: let us use email for now
16:19:07 <LeoraMorgenstern> I agree Sandro; I don't think we'll get many email submissions
16:19:58 <Hassan> ChrisW: we'll review this again next week 
16:20:39 <AdrianP> Zakim, mute me
16:20:39 <Zakim> AdrianP should now be muted
16:20:44 <ChrisW> action: sandro to get CVS access for TCG
16:20:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-565 - Get CVS access for TCG [on Sandro Hawke - due 2008-08-26].
16:21:18 <Hassan> ChrisW: giving a pat on the back of Adrian et al...
16:21:21 <ChrisW> zakim, next item
16:21:21 <Zakim> agendum 7. "External review" taken up [from ChrisW]
16:22:02 <ChrisW> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/Response_to_PPS4
16:22:09 <Hassan> ChrisW: external review from Peter Patel-Schneider
16:22:41 <ChrisW> who is on the phone?
16:22:51 <ChrisW> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:22:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see josb, Sandro, JeffP, Hassan_Ait-Kaci, ChrisW, Dave_Reynolds, Stella_Mitchell, LeoraMorgenstern, AdrianP (muted), +1.503.533.aacc, Mike_Dean
16:22:52 <sandro> q+ CVS item
16:22:56 <Hassan> Jos: perhaps Michael should respond
16:22:58 <sandro> grrr
16:23:00 <sandro> q-
16:23:03 <sandro> q- cvs
16:23:06 <sandro> q- item
16:23:09 <ChrisW> zakim, aacc is GaryHallmark
16:23:09 <Zakim> +GaryHallmark; got it
16:23:31 <ChrisW> action: Chris to ask MK to look at PFPS4
16:23:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-566 - Ask MK to look at PFPS4 [on Christopher Welty - due 2008-08-26].
16:23:44 <ChrisW> q?
16:23:48 <josb> q+
16:24:12 <AdrianP> ok
16:24:15 <StellaMitchell> ok
16:24:46 <ChrisW> ack jos
16:25:09 <sandro> Is this page public?    http://www.w3.org/Systems/Accounts/w3t/ 
16:25:35 <Hassan> ChrisW: saying something wise ... ;-)
16:25:49 <ChrisW> action: chris to ask axel to look at 2cnd to last comment on PFPS4
16:25:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-567 - Ask axel to look at 2cnd to last comment on PFPS4 [on Christopher Welty - due 2008-08-26].
16:25:55 <ChrisW> zakim, next item
16:25:55 <Zakim> I do not see any non-closed or non-skipped agenda items, ChrisW
16:26:07 <AdrianP> Sandro, no it is not public
16:26:09 <josb> +1
16:26:13 <Hassan> +1 to adjourn
16:26:15 <Zakim> -GaryHallmark
16:26:17 <Zakim> -Stella_Mitchell
16:26:20 <Zakim> -LeoraMorgenstern
16:26:21 <Zakim> -josb
16:26:21 <Zakim> -AdrianP
16:26:23 <Zakim> -Dave_Reynolds
16:26:24 <Zakim> -Mike_Dean
16:26:27 <ChrisW> rrsagent, list attendees
16:26:27 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'list attendees', ChrisW.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:26:33 <ChrisW> zakim, list attendees
16:26:33 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Mike_Dean, josb, MichaelKifer, Sandro, JeffP, Hassan_Ait-Kaci, +1.914.784.aaaa, ChrisW, Stella_Mitchell, LeoraMorgenstern, Dave_Reynolds,
16:26:37 <Zakim> ... +0493516aabb, AdrianP, AxelPolleres, +1.503.533.aacc, GaryHallmark
16:26:39 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make minutes
16:26:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-rif-minutes.html ChrisW
16:26:44 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make logs public
16:27:25 <Zakim> -Hassan_Ait-Kaci
16:27:27 <ChrisW> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:27:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, JeffP, ChrisW
16:27:36 <ChrisW> zakim, drop jeffp
16:27:36 <Zakim> JeffP is being disconnected
16:27:36 <sandro> zakim, drop jeffp
16:27:37 <Zakim> JeffP is being disconnected
16:27:37 <Zakim> -JeffP
16:33:33 <sandro> http://www.web3event.com/index.php
16:34:58 <Zakim> -Sandro
16:34:59 <Zakim> SW_RIF()11:00AM has ended
16:35:01 <Zakim> Attendees were Mike_Dean, josb, MichaelKifer, Sandro, JeffP, Hassan_Ait-Kaci, +1.914.784.aaaa, ChrisW, Stella_Mitchell, LeoraMorgenstern, Dave_Reynolds, +0493516aabb, AdrianP,
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