IRC log of xproc on 2008-08-14
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- 14:57:46 [Norm]
- Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
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- Date: 14 Aug 2008
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- Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/08/14-agenda
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- Meeting: 122
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- Chair: Norm
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- Scribe: Norm
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- ScribeNick: Norm
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- Zakim, this will be xproc
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- ok, Norm; I see XML_PMWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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- Norm has changed the topic to: XProc WG meets 14 Aug: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/08/14-agenda
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- XML_PMWG()11:00AM has now started
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- +Norm
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- +[ArborText]
- 15:01:38 [ht]
- zakim, code?
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- the conference code is 97762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), ht
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- +??P33
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- zakim, ? is ht
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- +ht; got it
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- -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/docs/WD-xproc-20080814/
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- +??P22
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- + +1.734.352.aaaa
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- +??P37
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- zakim, ??37 is me
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- sorry, richard, I do not recognize a party named '??37'
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- zakim, ??P37 is me
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- +richard; got it
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- Zakim, who's on the phone?
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- On the phone I see Norm, PGrosso, ht, ??P22, +1.734.352.aaaa, richard
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- zakim, +1.734.35.2.aaa is AndrewF
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- sorry, AndrewF, I do not recognize a party named '+1.734.35.2.aaa'
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- zakim, ??P22 is me
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- +Vojtech; got it
- 15:05:44 [Norm]
- Zakim, who's on the phone?
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- On the phone I see Norm, PGrosso, ht, Vojtech, +1.734.352.aaaa, richard
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- Regrets: Murray, Alex
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- Zakim, aaaa is AndrewF
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- +AndrewF; got it
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- Present: Norm, Paul, Henry, Vojtech, Andrew, Richard
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- Topic: Accept this agenda?
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- -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/08/14-agenda
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- Accepted
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- Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
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- -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/08/07-minutes
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- Accepted
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- Topic: Next meeting: telcon 21 Aug 2008?
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- Norm: We may cancel it, but we'll leave it on the books. No regrets heard.
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- Topic: Charter extension
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- Norm: Is that something I do, or Henry, do you do it?
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- ACTION: Henry to investigate the charter extension process
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- Topic: Comments on the last call draft
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- -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/docs/WD-xproc-20080814/
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- No comments heard.
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- ACTION: Henry to update the XSD and DTD files then give Julian the green light to publish
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- Topic: Test suite planning
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- Norm looks for help and advice in constructing an adequate test suite on the assumption we'll make it through Last Call and get to CR easily.
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- Norm: There are already about 80 or so at tests.xproc.org
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- Henry: What's the metadata you need?
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- Norm: There's documentation for the test format at tests.xproc.org, but I'm happy to adjust it as necessary.
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- Norm: We will stall if we don't get a test suite...
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- Henry: My metadata question was about coverage. We need to give some thought to the metadata to describe *what features* are tested.
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- ...We need to be able to characterize the tests to make the interoperability claim have some teeth.
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- Norm: I was going to analyze the test suite for missing steps and missing options on steps.
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- Henry: That's a good start, but there are also questions about the topology of the pipeline and the inheritence of variables and defaulting of pipes, etc.
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- ...Those aren't as easy to enumerate.
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- Norm: I was also hoping to have tests for every static and dynamic error as well, that covers many of those things.
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- Richard: The XML test suite doesn't attempt to identify the "correct" error and this has sometimes caused problems.
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- Henry: Having explicit error codes helps a little bit.
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- Norm: Metadata is a good idea, maybe we should have some email discussiona bout how to devise metadata that covers the spec.
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- Topic: Any other business?
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- Vojtech: Regarding error codes, right now we have gaps in the numbering. Is that ok?
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- Norm: I think it is. We talkeda bout it once before and decided that the cost was larger than the benefit.
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- Vojtech/Henry: I'm ok with that.
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- Adjourned.
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- -Norm
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- -richard
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- -Vojtech
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- -PGrosso
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- -ht
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- RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
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- XML_PMWG()11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Norm, PGrosso, ht, +1.734.352.aaaa, richard, Vojtech, AndrewF
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-xproc-minutes.html Norm
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- quit
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- RRSAgent, bye
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- I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-xproc-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: Henry to investigate the charter extension process [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-xproc-irc#T15-08-50
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- ACTION: Henry to update the XSD and DTD files then give Julian the green light to publish [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-xproc-irc#T15-11-11