14:45:43 RRSAgent has joined #rdfa 14:45:43 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-irc 14:45:56 Zakim has joined #rdfa 14:46:32 zakim, this will be SW_SWD(RDFa) 14:46:32 ok, msporny; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes 14:46:44 Scribe: Manu_Sporny 14:46:54 ScribeNick: msporny 14:47:08 Meeting: RDF-in-XHTML Task Force 14:47:18 Chair: Ben_Adida 14:47:33 previous: http://www.w3.org/2008/08/07-rdfa-minutes.html 14:47:45 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Aug/0053.html 14:48:16 rrsagent, make log public 14:48:22 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:48:22 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-minutes.html msporny 14:49:38 Present: Manu_Sporny, Michael_Hausenblas, Ben_Adida, Ralph_Swick, Steven_Pemberton 14:49:51 Regrets: Mark_Birbeck 14:50:15 Present+ Shane_McCarron 14:52:41 :) 14:52:42 yep 14:52:55 you are present :) 14:53:08 SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started 14:53:12 so is Shane... I can see 15 minutes into the future. 14:53:13 :) 14:53:15 +Ralph 14:53:15 now I am! 14:53:20 whoa 14:54:27 +??P12 14:54:32 I got a bit of a scheduling issue here today ... can only stay around till half-past, latest. sorry ... 14:54:34 zakim, I am ??P12 14:54:34 +msporny; got it 14:55:09 +Michael_Hausenblas 14:55:36 good time.now()? 14:56:48 ShaneM has joined #rdfa 14:57:01 "know of know" ? 14:57:08 oops 14:57:58 finger-brain glitch 14:58:05 "know of no" of course 15:00:57 http://torrez.us/code/rdfa-js/tests/ 15:01:41 +ShaneM 15:02:12 -msporny 15:03:09 zakim, dial steven-617 15:03:09 ok, Steven; the call is being made 15:03:10 +Steven 15:03:16 +??P12 15:03:22 zakim, I am ??P12 15:03:22 +msporny; got it 15:03:22 zakim, drop steven 15:03:23 Steven is being disconnected 15:03:23 -Steven 15:04:16 boo hoo :( so much for our OC-48 15:04:23 zakim, dial steven-617 15:04:23 ok, Steven; the call is being made 15:04:25 +Steven 15:04:30 +Ben_Adida 15:04:52 benadida has joined #rdfa 15:08:21 Topic: Action Items 15:09:20 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph 15:09:21 yes 15:09:26 yes, I'm scribing 15:09:32 no I'm not not scribing. 15:10:10 Michael: Is the RDFa test harness ready for client-side stuff? 15:10:20 benadida: It's not entirely correct for negative tests. 15:10:44 benadida: If they overestimate how good the parser is, it wouldn't be good. 15:10:53 Michael: I can integrate it on Monday. 15:10:58 benadida: That would be a good goal. 15:11:53 benadida: Let's talk about IR, wrapping up ISSUE-122 and ISSUE-125 15:12:06 benadida: any other outstanding issues? 15:12:37 ACTION: Michael check tests 52 and 53 with Manu [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/07-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] 15:13:47 -- done 15:14:24 ACTION: Michael to update Test Suite Manifest to correct tests 52 and 53 descriptions. 15:14:41 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Aug/0030.html 15:14:57 ACTION: Ben to contact Ed and Diego about new editors drafts coming down the pipe. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] 15:15:31 -- continues 15:15:43 ACTION: Manu to create test cases for testing relative URI resolution (href/CURIEs/etc). [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action22] 15:15:53 -- continues 15:16:01 ACTION: Mark to update RDFa Syntax document, section 5.4.2 to be explicit about which algorithm is used to resolve relative URIs. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action21] 15:16:31 -- done 15:16:39 ACTION: Michael to complete implementation report and send out notification to all working groups. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action20] 15:16:42 -- continues 15:16:51 ACTION: Ralph to work with Ben on proposing specific editorial changes to RDFa Syntax document based on ISSUE-122. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action23] 15:16:57 -- done 15:17:04 ACTION: Ben to log all CR issues to tracker [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] 15:17:06 -- done 15:17:21 ACTION: Ben to talk to Alan about CR ISSUE-122 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html#action15] 15:17:24 -- continues 15:18:02 Ralph: Do you want to talk to him before or after PR? 15:18:06 benadida: After should be fine. 15:18:14 Ralph: Then we should drop this? 15:18:18 benadida: yep, 15:18:18 +1 15:18:28 -- dropped 15:19:02 ACTION: Ben to update Primer according to resolution, and add note about "it was designed to eventually work in HTML, etc..." [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action20] 15:19:04 -- done 15:19:13 ACTION: Jeremy to demonstrate GRDDL with XHTML/RDFa once the NS URI is set up. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] 15:19:33 -- continues 15:20:00 ACTION: Manu to start a wiki page for HTML4/5 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action21] 15:20:07 -- continues 15:20:12 s/Manu/Shane 15:20:15 reassigned to Shane 15:20:28 ACTION: Manu write the perl code for Slashdot [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action03] 15:20:35 -- continues 15:20:42 ACTION: Manu: Start Best Practices Section on the rdfa.info wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-rdfa-minutes.html#action16] 15:20:45 -- continues 15:20:54 ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] 15:20:57 -- continues 15:21:05 ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] 15:22:17 -- continues 15:22:26 ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] 15:22:43 -- continues 15:22:50 ACTION: Michael to rewrite and extend http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tutorials for RSS (maybe with seq) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html#action08] 15:23:07 -- continues 15:23:16 http://sw.joanneum.at/rdfa/rss/ 15:23:56 ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action11] 15:24:00 -- continues 15:24:53 ACTION: Ralph to make http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt happen [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action05] 15:25:00 -- continues 15:25:13 ACTION: Shane to update XHTML ns document to point to new XSLT URI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] 15:25:17 -- continues 15:25:24 ACTION: Shane to write home page for SPREAD. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] 15:25:26 -- continues 15:26:21 Topic: Implementation Report 15:26:35 benadida: Are you missing stuff from me, Michael? 15:26:35 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph 15:26:47 benadida: Do you have the link for SPREAD? 15:26:54 benadida: anything else you need? 15:27:04 Michael: Would be good if somebody could go through the entire document. 15:27:23 Michael: If somebody wanted to fill out section 4 more, that would be good. 15:27:26 http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/implementation-report/ 15:27:36 benadida: I need to fix up the EARL report. 15:27:36 :) 15:27:44 benadida: for the client side stuff. 15:28:01 benadida: client side (Javascript) RDFa parsers. 15:28:26 Michael: I just need the client side Javascript EARL reports. 15:28:32 ShaneM: What's happening monday? 15:29:04 Michael: We promised to have Implementation Report to SWD by Tuesday, Aug. 19th. 15:29:26 ShaneM: So, are we preparing a PR draft for Tuesday? 15:29:34 benadida: As far as content goes, yes, that is the goal. 15:29:43 benadida: Is that an issue or a blocker with that? 15:29:57 ShaneM: No, just that the PR document has a different status section. 15:30:04 Ralph: The internal editors draft is fine. 15:30:23 Ralph: We'll change the status section when both workgroups want to move the document forward to PR. 15:30:27 benadida: Yes. 15:30:39 Michael: Anything else? 15:30:59 benadida: Nope, I'll get the Javascript implementation EARL reports to you. 15:31:10 Ralph: You're okay with Test 31? Canonicalization not required? 15:31:12 Michael: Yes. 15:31:22 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Aug/0056.html 15:31:29 Michael: There's the link explaining it. 15:32:07 can you confirm the imp report will be at http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/implementation-report 15:32:10 Topic: ISSUE-122 15:32:14 -Michael_Hausenblas 15:32:27 benadida: Ralph, you had a lot of suggestions and they all sounded great. 15:32:29 yes, Shane I confirm it hereby 15:32:35 benadida: Shane pointed out that one of them was a "maybe". 15:32:36 thanks! 15:32:43 welcome :) 15:32:54 Ralph: In the latest editors draft 15:32:59 -> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-rdfa-syntax-20080812/ current editor's draft 15:33:13 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-rdfa-syntax-20080812/#s_rdfaindetail 15:33:53 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-rdfa-syntax-20080812/#sec_5.5. 15:34:06 Ralph: Where the @@@ is 15:34:12 Ralph: That's not where it should be. 15:34:27 search for @@@@ 15:34:58 Ralph: I asked if adding the parethesis helped at all? 15:35:08 Ralph: I think they definitely don't help in section 5.5. 15:35:23 Ralph: Don't think it hurts in section 6. 15:35:30 benadida: It's good to have because it's precise. 15:35:52 benadida: That seemed to be the only point of contention. 15:36:01 benadida: But that looks good. 15:36:04 Manu: No comments. 15:36:12 Steven: No comments. 15:36:13 No comments 15:39:13 benadida: So the change at the end of section 2 looks good to me. 15:39:36 benadida: CreativeCommons is recommending rel="license" instead of rel="cc:license" 15:39:52 Ralph: Only one example of it, let's change it. 15:41:27 s/Ralphs/Ralph's/ 15:41:47 Ralph: I can update it based on what we discussed and send it out. 15:43:45 ACTION: Ben and Manu to test implementations on step 9 (no child nodes with @property) 15:44:14 benadida: I think the wording is correct, so that looks good for the change to step 9. 15:44:20 Manu: That looks correct. 15:44:56 PROPOSE: to respond to ISSUE-122 with Ralph's draft, tweaked with today's conclusions regarding moving comment to Section 6, tweaking the last example in Section 2, and confirming the step 9 no child nodes situation. 15:45:05 +1 15:45:07 +1 15:45:09 +1 15:45:26 ShaneM: +1 15:45:43 Was that a +1 for Shane, or a +0? 15:45:45 ACTION: Ralph to send note to Alan regarding ISSUE-122 resolution 15:46:12 RESOLVED: Ralph to respond to ISSUE-122 with Ralph's draft, tweaked with 15:46:12 today's conclusions regarding moving comment to Section 6, tweaking 15:46:12 the last example in Section 2, and confirming the step 9 no child 15:46:39 RESOLVED: Ralph to respond to ISSUE-122 with Ralph's draft, tweaked with today's conclusions regarding moving comment to Section 6, tweaking the last example in Section 2, and confirming the step 9 no child nodes situation. 15:47:15 Topic: ISSUE-125 15:47:33 benadida: This has to do with us mentioning @name in the syntax document. It doesn't appear anywhere else in the document. 15:47:37 Ralph: Yes. 15:47:39 ShaneM: Yes. 15:47:51 Ralph: It is a dinosaur bone. 15:47:59 @name is a "dinosaur bone" 15:48:15 PROPOSE: remove @name from section 2.1 of syntax, as it has no impact on output of RDFa parser. 15:48:20 +1 15:48:25 +1 15:48:39 +1 15:48:49 +1 15:48:51 RESOLVED: remove @name from section 2.1 of syntax, as it has no impact on output of RDFa parser. 15:49:10 Champagne time! All Issues Closed 15:49:30 ACTION: Shane to respond to ISSUE-125 on mailing list 15:49:55 benadida: I believe that is everything, any other issues for PR or anything else? 15:51:19 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-rdfa-syntax-20080814/ 15:52:42 -Steven 15:52:44 -Ben_Adida 15:52:46 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph 15:52:48 -ShaneM 15:53:21 -Ralph 15:53:22 -msporny 15:53:22 SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended 15:53:24 Attendees were Ralph, msporny, Michael_Hausenblas, ShaneM, Steven, Ben_Adida 15:53:58 rrsagent, bye 15:53:58 I see 25 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-actions.rdf : 15:53:58 ACTION: Michael check tests 52 and 53 with Manu [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/07-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [1] 15:53:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-irc#T15-12-37 15:53:58 ACTION: Michael to update Test Suite Manifest to correct tests 52 and 53 descriptions. [2] 15:53:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-irc#T15-14-24 15:53:58 ACTION: Ben to contact Ed and Diego about new editors drafts coming down the pipe. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [3] 15:53:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-irc#T15-14-57 15:53:58 ACTION: Manu to create test cases for testing relative URI resolution (href/CURIEs/etc). [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action22] [4] 15:53:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-irc#T15-15-43 15:53:58 ACTION: Mark to update RDFa Syntax document, section 5.4.2 to be explicit about which algorithm is used to resolve relative URIs. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action21] [5] 15:53:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-irc#T15-16-01 15:53:58 ACTION: Michael to complete implementation report and send out notification to all working groups. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action20] [6] 15:53:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-irc#T15-16-39 15:53:58 ACTION: Ralph to work with Ben on proposing specific editorial changes to RDFa Syntax document based on ISSUE-122. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action23] [7] 15:53:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-irc#T15-16-51 15:53:58 ACTION: Ben to log all CR issues to tracker [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [8] 15:53:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-irc#T15-17-04 15:53:58 ACTION: Ben to talk to Alan about CR ISSUE-122 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html#action15] [9] 15:53:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-irc#T15-17-21 15:53:58 ACTION: Ben to update Primer according to resolution, and add note about "it was designed to eventually work in HTML, etc..." [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action20] [10] 15:53:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-irc#T15-19-02 15:53:58 ACTION: Jeremy to demonstrate GRDDL with XHTML/RDFa once the NS URI is set up. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] [11] 15:53:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-irc#T15-19-13 15:53:58 ACTION: Manu to start a wiki page for HTML4/5 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action21] [12] 15:53:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-irc#T15-20-00 15:53:58 ACTION: Manu write the perl code for Slashdot [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action03] [13] 15:53:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-irc#T15-20-28 15:53:58 ACTION: Manu: Start Best Practices Section on the rdfa.info wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-rdfa-minutes.html#action16] [14] 15:53:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-irc#T15-20-42 15:53:58 ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [15] 15:53:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-irc#T15-20-54 15:53:58 ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] [16] 15:53:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-irc#T15-21-05 15:53:58 ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [17] 15:53:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-irc#T15-22-26 15:53:58 ACTION: Michael to rewrite and extend http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tutorials for RSS (maybe with seq) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html#action08] [18] 15:53:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-irc#T15-22-50 15:53:58 ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action11] [19] 15:53:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-irc#T15-23-56 15:53:58 ACTION: Ralph to make http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt happen [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action05] [20] 15:53:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-irc#T15-24-53 15:53:58 ACTION: Shane to update XHTML ns document to point to new XSLT URI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [21] 15:53:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-irc#T15-25-13 15:53:58 ACTION: Shane to write home page for SPREAD. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [22] 15:53:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-irc#T15-25-24 15:53:58 ACTION: Ben and Manu to test implementations on step 9 (no child nodes with @property) [23] 15:53:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-irc#T15-43-45 15:53:58 ACTION: Ralph to send note to Alan regarding ISSUE-122 resolution [24] 15:53:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-irc#T15-45-45 15:53:58 ACTION: Shane to respond to ISSUE-125 on mailing list [25] 15:53:58 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-irc#T15-49-30