15:39:42 RRSAgent has joined #css 15:39:42 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/08/13-css-irc 15:39:52 Zakim, this will be Style 15:39:52 ok, glazou; I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 21 minutes 15:50:33 shepazu has joined #css 15:51:13 shepazu: hi Doug 15:51:27 got my email ? 15:51:29 hi, Daniel 15:51:32 I did 15:51:43 I wish you'd sent it before :) 15:51:57 yes I know, but I only thought about it today 15:52:10 having next/previousElementSibling on Node would help a lot 15:52:26 I saw that hacking mozilla composer today 15:52:43 plenty of locations where we start from an arbitrary Node and look for adjacent element 15:52:48 yup 15:52:56 I can totally see the use case 15:52:58 Bert: What are you going to talk about at Fronteers 2008? 15:53:00 ok 15:53:21 I don't know yet, krijnh :-) 15:53:41 Just spotted the announcement on http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/ 15:54:20 Are you a member of the Fronteers? 15:54:23 Yeah 15:54:31 Board member even, if the ALV lets me :) 15:54:37 And I've built the site 15:54:49 I'm the de facto treasurer atm 15:54:53 -de 15:54:56 +de 15:54:58 :s 15:55:05 Yeah, me too 15:56:06 :) 15:56:12 Had to pimp my CMS a bit.. 15:56:31 Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has now started 15:56:38 +glazou 15:56:38 But anyway, just wondering what you were going to talk about :) 15:56:44 +plinss 16:00:25 +Bert 16:00:52 shepazu: you want me to send that comment to the WG ? 16:01:28 glazou: you can if you like, but it might be something for v2 16:01:38 no problem 16:02:08 (Hmm, are the logs broken for this channel, or did I turn them off?) 16:02:13 but how ware you going to deal with the fact the method will be defined on Element first and then on Node ? 16:02:17 in fact, yes, that should be on public record, glazou 16:02:18 s/ware/are 16:02:21 +Melinda_Grant 16:03:46 melinda has joined #CSS 16:04:03 glazou: no conflict... ElTrav v1 deals only with the Element node while v2 could also extend the more generic Node interface 16:04:04 jason_cranfordtea has joined #css 16:04:04 +jason_cranfordtea 16:04:40 + +47.21.65.aaaa 16:04:41 sylvaing has joined #css 16:04:57 Zakim, +47.21.65.aaaa is hakon 16:05:07 +hakon; got it 16:06:06 +[Microsoft] 16:06:41 fantasai: yt ? 16:06:51 Zakim, [Microsoft] has sylvaing 16:06:51 +sylvaing; got it 16:07:52 Zakim, who is here ? 16:07:52 On the phone I see glazou, plinss, Bert, Melinda_Grant, jason_cranfordtea, hakon, [Microsoft] 16:07:54 [Microsoft] has sylvaing 16:07:55 On IRC I see sylvaing, jason_cranfordtea, melinda, shepazu, RRSAgent, Zakim, glazou, plinss, arronei, plinss_, jdaggett, fantasai, Bert, krijnh, Hixie, trackbot 16:08:29 scribe: Bert 16:08:34 Zakim, who is noisy? 16:08:34 scribenick: Bert 16:08:45 glazou, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: glazou (14%), plinss (55%) 16:08:50 Topic: Agenda 16:08:57 +??P20 16:09:11 Zakim, ??P20 is fantasai 16:09:11 +fantasai; got it 16:09:15 Zakim, mute me 16:09:15 fantasai should now be muted 16:09:40 Regrets from two new members from AOL and Boeing 16:09:47 I was waiting for hakon :-) 16:09:59 Daniel: Regrets from the two new members. 16:10:07 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2008JulSep/0096.html 16:10:22 Topic: Mobile Profile 16:10:44 Daniel: Svante asked for editorial changes in the CR. 16:11:00 Daniel: One is a link that Bert changed in the mean time. 16:11:11 seems reasonable to me 16:11:28 Daniel: The other is "character set" -> "character encoding" because the wrong term was used. 16:11:53 Peter: Have to check with CSS 2.1 that term is used consistently. 16:12:06 Daniel: Third change is a missing space. 16:13:01 Decided to change and republish 16:13:16 Zakim, unmute me 16:13:16 fantasai should no longer be muted 16:13:22 Bert: Edits either by me or Svante. I can do the publication. 16:14:02 Topic: Previous actions 16:14:17 http://csswg.inkedblade.net/spec/css2.1#issue-56 16:14:57 Topic: CSS 2.1 issue 56 16:15:24 Daniel: Was postponed for MS to investigate. 16:16:05 Fantasai: Anybody object to proposal? 16:16:12 RESOLVED: text-decoration should propagate through table elements 16:16:38 Fantasai: Do you need time to review the wording? 16:16:41 Postpone decision to accept wording, need more time 16:16:58 ACTION: Saloni Review wording on CSS2.1 Issue 56 16:16:59 Created ACTION-87 - Review wording on CSS2.1 Issue 56 [on Saloni Mira Rai - due 2008-08-20]. 16:17:07 ACTION: fantasai review wording on CSS2.1 Issue 56 16:17:07 Created ACTION-88 - Review wording on CSS2.1 Issue 56 [on Elika Etemad - due 2008-08-20]. 16:17:42 Daniel: Final answer should be ready by ftf. 16:17:54 Topic: CSS 2.1 issue 14 16:18:17 http://csswg.inkedblade.net/spec/css2.1#issue-14 16:19:07 Daniel: We need David Baron for this issue. 16:19:17 Fantasai: Bert found something in the spec. 16:19:25 fantasai: really hard to hear you... 16:20:12 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008Jul/0586.html 16:20:13 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008Jul/0586.html 16:22:09 Bert: I agree with the proposal, but also think that in addition height <> auto means bottom doesn't collapse with children. 16:22:14 Fantasai: That is a separate issue. 16:22:30 ok 16:22:36 http://csswg.inkedblade.net/spec/css2.1#issue-42 16:22:45 Daniel: Seems we need to do this issue at the ftf. 16:22:59 Topic: CSS 2.1 issue 42 16:23:24 http://csswg.inkedblade.net/spec/css2.1#issue-53 is probably easier 16:23:45 Postpone. 16:23:52 Topic: CSS 2.1 issue 53 16:27:35 Bert explains proposal, need to distingush justify in blocks and whiet space stretching for inline. 16:27:42 Daniel: Seems proposal is fine. 16:27:53 Peter: Need to check implementations as well. 16:28:00 Howcome: no comment. 16:28:07 Sylaving: Do we know what impls do? 16:28:22 s/Sylaving/Sylvaing/ 16:28:36 Daniel: That would be good to know. 16:29:09 Peter: We may assume Moz is willing to change to proposal, how about others? 16:29:28 Daniel: Need test cases. 16:29:56 ACTION: fantasai get a testcase for css2.1 issue 53 16:29:56 Created ACTION-89 - Get a testcase for css2.1 issue 53 [on Elika Etemad - due 2008-08-20]. 16:30:07 http://csswg.inkedblade.net/spec/css2.1#issue-54 16:30:17 Topic: CSS 2.1 issue 54 16:31:22 Daniel: Proposal makes sense. 16:32:01 Peter: Do we need to clarify *which* element determines the direction for the marker? 16:32:25 Daniel: I think the proposaed text cavers it. 16:32:31 Elika: I think it's pretty obviously the list item element itself 16:32:47 Bert: fine with proposal. 16:33:11 Melinda: So if we have a list that is predominantly ltr, but one item is rtl, it will put the marker on the other side? 16:33:12 Melinda: So if only one item in the list is rtl, it puts that marker on the other side? 16:33:16 Daniel: Yes. 16:33:31 no objection 16:33:41 Peter: Is that what we want? 16:34:25 Daniel: Case would be a list with English and a few Hebrew items. 16:34:55 Fantasai: [something] does [something] [Scribe can't hear] 16:35:02 Elika: We have interoperability on all four implementations 16:35:50 Daniel: OK, so then the prose must be clear that direction is direction of list item itself. 16:35:53 RESOLVED 16:36:31 Fantasai: The text already has that. 16:36:41 Daniel: Or add a note with an example. 16:36:52 Fantasai: I think that's already there. 16:37:23 Peter: Use words "of the element" 16:37:46 Proposal is s/elements/list items/ 16:37:58 RESOLVED: proposal accepted with change above 16:38:36 Topic: CSS 2.1 issue 60 16:38:54 Fantasai: Cannot be done on phone, needs in depth review. 16:39:14 http://csswg.inkedblade.net/spec/css2.1#issue-60 16:39:15 Daniel: So action for everyone to review before ftf. Will be on ftf agenda. 16:39:37 Zakim, mute me 16:39:37 fantasai should now be muted 16:39:46 Fantasai: That should be all we can do for CSS 2.1 today. 16:40:05 Zakim, unmute me 16:40:05 fantasai should no longer be muted 16:40:07 Zakim, [Microsoft] has salonir, arronei 16:40:07 +salonir, arronei; got it 16:40:15 Topic: Pages counter 16:40:41 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2008JulSep/0094.html 16:40:43 Howcome: I sent an e-mail. Q is if 'pages' counter should be in Paged Media. 16:40:54 Melinda: We didn't have implementations for it. 16:41:16 Melinda: But would be nice to be able to put it back in 16:41:21 sorry wrong url 16:41:24 correct url is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008Aug/0120.html 16:41:33 Howcome: Let me ping Antennahouse if they have an impl. 16:42:00 Howcome: Is the 'page' counter incremented automatically? 16:42:07 Melinda/Fantasai: yes 16:42:25 ACTION: howcome to ping antennahouse about 'pages' implementation 16:42:25 Created ACTION-90 - Ping antennahouse about 'pages' implementation [on Håkon Wium Lie - due 2008-08-20]. 16:42:43 Topic: ftf agenda 16:43:04 Daniel: I saw a few request. Please send more (or put on wiki) asap. 16:43:53 Jason: Can you fix the time for the fonts discussion, so I can participate. (At a reasonable time for me.) 16:44:28 Peter: Wiki page useful for our planning. Add how much discussion you expect. 16:44:30 http://csswg.inkedblade.net/planning/cambridge-2008 16:45:25 Howcome: can two local Opera people attend as well? 16:45:41 Daniel: Fine with me, but need MS to agree, they are host. 16:45:54 Saloni: Alex is away, but will ask him. 16:46:09 -jason_cranfordtea 16:46:10 -Melinda_Grant 16:46:12 Nobody here objects to howcome's requests. 16:46:14 -hakon 16:46:16 -plinss 16:46:20 -glazou 16:46:21 s/requests/request/ 16:46:21 -fantasai 16:46:23 -[Microsoft] 16:46:33 -Bert 16:46:34 Thanks, Bert 16:46:35 Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended 16:46:36 Attendees were glazou, plinss, Bert, Melinda_Grant, jason_cranfordtea, hakon, sylvaing, fantasai, salonir, arronei 16:46:38 thanks Bert! 16:46:50 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:46:50 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/13-css-minutes.html Bert 16:47:17 fantasai, sorry but I had more problems than others hearing you, all your words were cut 16:52:58 rrsagent, make minutes public 16:52:58 I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', Bert. Try /msg RRSAgent help 16:53:05 rrsagent, make logs public 16:54:59 rrsagent, draft minutes 16:54:59 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/13-css-minutes.html Bert 17:11:44 sylvaing has joined #css 18:14:14 melinda has joined #CSS 18:58:35 Zakim has left #css 19:49:26 sylvaing has joined #css 20:41:01 arronei has joined #CSS 21:23:18 sylvaing has joined #css