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15:04:11 <ericP> Zakim, this is hcls
15:04:11 <Zakim> ok, ericP; that matches SW_HCLS()11:00AM
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15:04:14 <Zakim> +Kei_Cheung
15:04:29 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
15:04:29 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
15:04:31 <Zakim> +EricP
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15:05:05 <Zakim> + +1.949.481.aagg
15:05:39 <mscottm> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:05:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.301.975.aaaa, +1.781.662.aabb, +1.919.597.aacc, +1.317.433.aadd, +46.4.63.3.aaee, [Microsoft], +1.212.217.aaff, DavidClarke, Kei_Cheung, EricP,
15:05:43 <Zakim> ... +1.949.481.aagg
15:06:14 <Zakim> +Don_Doherty
15:06:24 <Zakim> + +1.216.636.aahh
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15:06:34 <Zakim> +??P9
15:06:52 <mscottm> Zakim, +1.317.433.aadd is mscottm
15:06:52 <Zakim> +mscottm; got it
15:06:59 <chimezie> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:06:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.301.975.aaaa, +1.781.662.aabb, +1.919.597.aacc, mscottm, +46.4.63.3.aaee, [Microsoft], +1.212.217.aaff, DavidClarke, Kei_Cheung, EricP, +1.949.481.aagg,
15:07:03 <Zakim> ... Don_Doherty, +1.216.636.aahh, ??P9
15:07:25 <chimezie> Zakim, +1.216.636.aah is me
15:07:25 <Zakim> +chimezie; got it
15:07:28 <ericP> Zakim, +1.301.975.aaaa is Linda_King
15:07:28 <Zakim> +Linda_King; got it
15:07:51 <Zakim> -??P9
15:09:50 <ericP> Zakim, +46.4.63.3.aaee is Bosse
15:09:50 <Zakim> +Bosse; got it
15:10:00 <ericP> Zakim, +1.212.217.aaff is Mark
15:10:00 <Zakim> +Mark; got it
15:10:20 <JohnMadden> zakim, +1.919.597.aacc is JohnMadden
15:10:20 <Zakim> +JohnMadden; got it
15:10:54 <ericP> Zakim, +1.949.481.aagg is Carl
15:10:54 <Zakim> +Carl; got it
15:11:03 <ericP> Zakim, who is here?
15:11:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see Linda_King, +1.781.662.aabb, JohnMadden, mscottm, Bosse, [Microsoft], Mark, DavidClarke, Kei_Cheung, EricP, Carl, Don_Doherty, chimezie
15:11:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see kei, Donald_Doherty, mscottm, RRSAgent, Zakim, chimezie, JohnMadden, Susie, johnbreslin, ericP
15:11:46 <Susie> Zakim, pick a scribe
15:11:46 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Linda_King
15:12:41 <ericP> scribe: ericP
15:12:49 <ericP> topic: news
15:13:22 <ericP> Susie: would like updates from the task forces
15:13:40 <Zakim> +Vipul_Kashyap
15:13:50 <Zakim> +??P8
15:14:10 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/07/MappingRules/ SPASQL rule mapping paper (using COI data)
15:14:35 <ericP> vipul: we need the mapping from RxNorm to NDC code
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15:14:59 <ericP> ... we'll meet on monday to search for candidate patients
15:15:23 <ericP> kei: have been on sabatical
15:15:31 <ericP> ... next BioRDF call will be 8Sept
15:15:59 <ericP> ... agenda: work on the hcls kb, including deri's hosting of the kb
15:16:00 <JohnMadden> eric,could you move your phone receiver away from your keyboard -- your keyclicks are coming through phone
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15:16:31 <JohnMadden> much, thanks
15:16:54 <JohnMadden> fine noe
15:16:56 <JohnMadden> now
15:17:13 <ericP> Susie: linking open drug data:
15:17:39 <ericP> ... have a call with mohammad uldrin, who will share his drug target paper with us
15:18:03 <ericP> ... expect to drill down and look for interesting questions
15:18:33 <ericP> ... expect to map peoples' data ourselves to convince people to host sparql endpoints themselves
15:18:37 <ericP> Zakim, who is speaking?
15:18:47 <Zakim> ericP, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.781.662.aabb (8%), ??P8 (28%), EricP (9%)
15:18:54 <ericP> Zakim, plese mute ??P8
15:18:54 <Zakim> I don't understand 'plese mute ??P8', ericP
15:18:59 <ericP> Zakim, please mute ??P8
15:18:59 <Zakim> ??P8 should now be muted
15:19:29 <ericP> chimezie: terminology task force in early stages, but lots of interest
15:19:44 <ericP> ... have asked JohnMadden if he's interested in leading
15:19:59 <ericP> JohnMadden: happy to take it on, need to schedule regular meeting
15:20:24 <Susie> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/Meetings/2008-08-07_Conference_Call
15:20:30 <ericP> topic: connecting two worlds
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15:22:01 <ericP> -> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/Meetings/2008-08-07_Conference_Call?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=EHRCR.pdf EHRCR paper
15:22:01 <Susie> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/Meetings/2008-08-07_Conference_Call
15:22:29 <ericP> linda: am representing e-clinical forum and the CDC clinical task force today
15:22:45 <ericP> ... have presented at hands 2008 (SP?)
15:23:31 <ericP> ... have large vendors and niche providers
15:23:38 <ericP> ... been working with hl7
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15:24:37 <ericP> [slide 11]
15:25:15 <ericP> linda: tool their EHR profile to see where we need to extend it for clinical research
15:25:18 <ericP> [slide 12]
15:25:51 <ericP> [slide 12]
15:26:22 <ericP> s/12/13/
15:26:57 <ericP> [slide 14]
15:27:14 <ericP> linda: most research is global, needs to translate to EuroRec
15:27:24 <ericP> [slide 15]
15:27:57 <ericP> linda: hope for HL7 and ANSI standard in jan 09
15:28:41 <ericP> [slide 16]
15:29:05 <ericP> linda: release 1: make sure it had the req'd data for research
15:29:22 <ericP> [slide 17,20]
15:30:18 <ericP> linda: our EHR-CR is under Tier0
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15:30:41 <ericP> linda: Tier0 is RFD
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15:30:55 <ericP> [slide 21]
15:31:12 <ericP> linda: current state is very separate worlds with duplicate data entry
15:31:23 <ericP> [slide 22]
15:31:54 <ericP> linda: next state will still require the investigator to enter some research data
15:32:05 <ericP> [slide 23]
15:32:29 <ericP> linda: will need separate entry system even at Teir1
15:32:46 <ericP> [slide 24-26]
15:33:14 <ericP> linda: Tier3 gets real reuse of the data
15:34:31 <ericP> linda: we talked about the requirements for a clinic to participate in research
15:34:49 <ericP> ... we talked about what was needed, but have not prescribed any tech
15:34:53 <ericP> [slide 29]
15:35:38 <ericP> [slide 32]
15:36:17 <ericP> linda: all of these workflow participants are documented in IHE
15:36:50 <ericP> ... we started with C-DASH, to populate forms
15:37:27 <ericP> ... a lot of the data is collected in a running record format
15:38:10 <ericP> ... to facilitate that, we had the sponsor site (quintiles) send the data to a holding area for the form filler to interrogate
15:39:31 <ericP> [next slide: Cerner EHR System]
15:40:13 <ericP> linda: this does not introduce new reqs on the user
15:40:30 <ericP> ... the blanks indicate the data that the study corrdinator needs to supply
15:41:43 <ericP> ... we want to capture transient events (reported nausea)
15:42:06 <ericP> ... have option for mod'ing current other medication
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15:43:09 <ericP> [slide Submitted to Form Receiver Successfully]
15:43:34 <ericP> linda: no ids supplied apart from the sponsor's unique id
15:43:58 <ericP> ... demographics are preserved if they appear in the body of the case report
15:44:13 <ericP> [slide IPL Data Archive]
15:44:31 <ericP> [slide 44, tabular report]
15:44:46 <ericP> vipul: what's the relationship between OHM and SDTM?
15:45:05 <ericP> linda: [some folks] have been working on that connection
15:45:29 <ericP> vipul: Braun kissler suggested that all the clinical models will be harmonnized with the SDTM
15:45:45 <ericP> [slide Data Reciever]
15:46:12 <Zakim> +??P5
15:46:13 <ericP> linda: populates based on patient data passed from EHR system
15:46:32 <ericP> [sldie 47, Next Steps]
15:47:04 <ericP> linda: nuts and bolts stuff, like "how do you data-lock this?"
15:47:34 <ericP> ... actively looking for a trial site to compare RFD systems and conventional system
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15:48:17 <ericP> linda: hope to remove humans from the RFD process
15:48:21 <vipul> q+
15:48:49 <ericP> ... would give secondary uses (e.g. epidemiology research) that much more credibility
15:49:08 <ericP> vipul: have talked with kathrine about this
15:49:38 <ericP> ... see COI as a complement to your work
15:50:22 <ericP> ... [ref slide low 20s]
15:50:42 <ericP> ... trying to avoid hard coding the mapping
15:51:15 <ericP> ... a declarative mapping would allow us to just push a button
15:51:44 <ericP> ... there is a big push on the HC world to follow C-CHT recommendations
15:52:19 <ericP> ... would be great to take any EMR system, and a clinical trial system (e.g. face forward) and plug them in together
15:52:38 <Zakim> -Linda_King
15:53:05 <ericP> linda: are you in contact with IET? have hundreds of participants in trials
15:53:28 <ericP> vipul: picked a trial from clinicaltrial.gov
15:54:10 <ericP> ... challenges include structures and vocabularies
15:54:25 <ericP> ... in HC world, use many, e.g. RxNorm
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15:54:40 <ericP> linda: timeframe
15:55:10 <ericP> vipul: 2 months
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15:56:06 <ericP> [proliferation of TLAs and ETLAs]
15:57:59 <ericP> Carl_Tasswell: is there some part of what you presented today that is already hooked into semantic technologies, i.e. ontologies?
15:58:11 <ericP> ... or is it all say, XML, but not semantic yet?
15:58:41 <ericP> linda: Braun Kissler is C-DISC's ontologist
15:59:13 <ericP> ... if you can't share meanings for "adverse event", you get soup
15:59:20 <ericP> ... can invite Braun
15:59:42 <ericP> Susie: would like another update on the terminology/ontology work
16:00:23 <ericP> Carl: AMIA working on ...  Barry Smith et al trying to build semantic tech for clinical trials
16:00:40 <Zakim> -JohnMadden
16:01:03 <ericP> linda: AMIA interested in RFD [was it RFD?]
16:01:48 <ericP> vipul: one prob with ontology work is that folks are rolling new onts instead of re-using current onts
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16:02:06 <vipul> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInteroperability
16:03:59 <ericP> [Discuss Clinical Decision Support Project postponed 'till next meeting]
16:05:38 <ericP> Carl: difficult to address competing/conflicting demands of working with standards with established software infrstructure and addressing fundamental flaws coming from non-semantic origins
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16:06:26 <ericP> vipul: avg. worker in the health care delivery system not following the academic work
16:06:44 <ericP> ... need to show how the new work provides added value
16:07:25 <ericP> chimezie: there are legitimate concearns with existing tech
16:08:17 <ericP> ... at the same time, also legitamate critisims with building pure onts with no domain expertise
16:08:41 <ericP> ... ample space for a middle ground to work
16:10:26 <ericP> [ADJOURNED]
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16:11:04 <Zakim> -Kei_Cheung
16:11:04 <Zakim> -Bosse
16:11:05 <Zakim> -Vipul_Kashyap
16:11:05 <Zakim> -Carl
16:11:06 <Zakim> -chimezie
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16:11:08 <Zakim> -Don_Doherty
16:11:11 <Zakim> -??P8
16:11:13 <Zakim> -Mark
16:17:07 <Zakim> -DavidClarke
16:17:15 <Zakim> -EricP
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16:28:52 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, [Microsoft], in SW_HCLS()11:00AM
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16:28:56 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.781.662.aabb, [Microsoft], DavidClarke, Kei_Cheung, EricP, Don_Doherty, +1.216.636.aahh, mscottm, chimezie, Linda_King, Bosse, Mark, JohnMadden, Carl,
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