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11:51:31 <steph> zakim, this will be m4wd
11:51:31 <Zakim> ok, steph; I see UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
11:51:51 <steph> Meeting: MW4D IG bi-monthly teleconference
11:52:26 <steph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2008Jul/0043.html
11:53:33 <steph> Present: Stephane Boyera (W3C)
11:54:08 <steph> zakim, code  ?
11:54:08 <Zakim> the conference code is 6493 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), steph
11:54:34 <Zakim> UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM has now started
11:54:42 <Zakim> + +33.9.50.08.aaaa
11:55:03 <steph> zakim, aaaa is me
11:55:03 <Zakim> +steph; got it
11:59:06 <Zakim> + +2
11:59:32 <steph> zakim, +2 is Ken
11:59:32 <Zakim> +Ken; got it
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11:59:59 <steph> hi Ken
12:00:00 <kiwanja> boo!
12:00:12 <steph> zakim, aacc is Jacob
12:00:12 <Zakim> +Jacob; got it
12:00:53 <steph> zakim, who is here ?
12:00:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see steph, Ken, Jacob
12:00:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see kiwanja, RRSAgent, Zakim, steph
12:01:10 <kiwanja> hi, yes - ken here (kiwanja)
12:01:17 <steph> sure !
12:01:21 <steph> for now just you and me
12:01:41 <steph> and the 2 bots: rrsagent managing the minutes and zakim, managing the telecoenference system
12:05:21 <steph> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2008Jul/0043.html
12:06:30 <steph> scribe: Stephane
12:06:37 <steph> scribenick: steph
12:06:53 <steph> Topic: last meeting minute approval
12:07:48 <Zakim> + +2
12:08:08 <steph> zakim, +2 is Renjish
12:08:08 <Zakim> +Renjish; got it
12:09:08 <steph> Action: steph to investigate the availability of a java applet to connect to irc
12:09:45 <steph> Jacob: we had discussion around the mission statement, focusing on accuracy.
12:09:55 <steph> may be we are not ready now
12:10:11 <Zakim> + +035850558aaee
12:10:13 <steph> we should try to reach a level we are ok with
12:10:23 <steph> zakim, aaee is Lauri
12:10:23 <Zakim> +Lauri; got it
12:10:30 <Zakim> + +55115586aaff
12:10:56 <steph> zakim, aaff is Tadao
12:10:56 <Zakim> +Tadao; got it
12:11:35 <steph> jacob: and then update it later when appropriate
12:12:14 <steph> Topic: Introduction 
12:12:19 <steph> Steph: Lauri
12:12:28 <steph> Lauri hirovanen from Nokia
12:12:51 <steph> primary interest: how to improve the use of mobile phone to access service in dev countries
12:13:13 <steph> active in different domains, like creating .mobi (more than 1 millions today)
12:13:21 <steph> very popular in dev countries
12:13:36 <steph> .mobi is how creating tools to simplify how to create mobile content
12:13:49 <steph> s/how/now/
12:14:11 <steph> highlights 9 months ago at Unesco
12:14:18 <steph> more than 200 participants
12:14:33 <steph> and demonstrated the use of mobile phone to offer services 
12:14:57 <steph> Topic: Review of Action Items
12:15:13 <steph> Stephane to initiate discussion about Wiki usage on the mailing list
12:15:18 <steph> Stephane: pending
12:15:24 <steph> Stephane to put the current framework document on the wiki
12:15:40 <steph> Stephane: done http://www.w3.org/2006/12/digital_divide/wiki/mw4dframework
12:16:03 <steph> Stephane to publish last meeting minutes and update participants name before
12:16:15 <steph> done
12:16:32 <steph> Action: Stephane to publish july 28 minutes
12:17:06 <steph> Topic: Raising awareness of MW4D IG
12:18:13 <steph> Stephane: raise awareness of the group
12:18:29 <steph> existence
12:18:50 <steph> Topic: Framework discussion
12:20:06 <steph> http://www.w3.org/2006/12/digital_divide/wiki/mw4dframework#vision
12:20:39 <kiwanja> thanks
12:21:30 <steph> Jacob: study a case study
12:22:11 <steph> Renjish: few lines around describing a scenario before the bullets
12:23:56 <steph> Action: Renjish to write a scenario around the vision
12:24:07 <steph> Jacob: exactly, i will help
12:26:11 <steph> Stephane: i believe there are 3 areas: grass root/ institution/ entrepreneur
12:27:28 <steph> Ken: perhaps other categories
12:29:01 <steph> Stephane: orthogonal categorization
12:29:13 <steph> either by sectors (health, education,...)
12:29:37 <steph> or by categories of providers
12:31:40 <steph> Ken: mgov services
12:31:44 <steph> good targets
12:31:58 <steph> and see what are channels we can work through
12:33:12 <steph> Stephane: other type of services, not only mgov can be workable at gov level
12:34:15 <steph> Ken: empowering grass-root
12:34:25 <steph> is the most exciting work
12:35:01 <steph> might be that engaging all channels is too much for
12:35:03 <steph> all
12:35:34 <steph> ken: for now, underserved are not considered by government
12:36:14 <steph> Jacob: 3 channels have different approaches, not going in depht enough
12:36:34 <kiwanja> (underserved, i.e. grassroots are generally not considered a main focus of mobile4dev projects)
12:36:34 <steph> niche area for one or two can bring more impact
12:37:27 <steph> Renjish: considering different channels, all stakeholders have ot be engaged
12:37:57 <steph> solutions should be work accross channels
12:38:20 <steph> deployment on the ground using different players is important.
12:38:29 <steph> cooperation important
12:38:55 <steph> it can take multiple combinations
12:39:56 <steph> Steph: agreed but quite hard in practice
12:40:05 <steph> Renjish: operationnal challenges
12:40:13 <steph> this is our goal to tackle them
12:40:32 <steph> First goal to come to technological solution independent of the channels
12:41:01 <steph> Ken: challenges are not only technological solutiosn
12:41:14 <steph> technical challenges, partnership challenges, ...
12:41:59 <steph> Ken: challenges of this group to find things we can do
12:43:17 <steph> Stephane: i doubt that technological challenges are not channel independent
12:43:29 <steph> Lauri: good book: mobile internet for dummies
12:43:34 <steph> interesting for consumers
12:43:49 <steph> covers how to use your mobile phones to access web services
12:44:05 <steph> excellent documentation for consumer to access services
12:44:12 <steph> i will forward the references
12:46:42 <steph> Renjish: let's think about the common denominator
12:46:49 <steph> to work for all
12:46:53 <steph> Ken: agreed
12:47:14 <steph> ngo will use the lowest option
12:47:50 <steph> Renjish: ngo needs supports for sure
12:48:07 <steph> need of involvment of all stakeholder
12:48:17 <steph> Lauri: agreed completely
12:48:26 <steph> aim of .mobi
12:48:51 <steph> to focus on the common denominator
12:49:20 <steph> great initiative at W3C: MWI (Mobile Web Initiative)
12:49:56 <steph> and best practices
12:50:27 <steph> we should look at worldwide solutions that would work on all phones
12:53:04 <steph> renjish: mobile phones vs mobile devices ?
12:53:43 <steph> Lauri: mobile devices definition: always connected
12:54:08 <steph> nature: you carry it with you, and able to communicate at any time the user wants
12:54:25 <steph> Renjish: a pager == mobile device ?
12:54:28 <Zakim> -Jacob
12:54:45 <steph> Ken: laptop not mobile device ?
12:54:53 <steph> Lauri: with eg a wifi, it is
12:55:11 <steph> Renjish: portability and mobility, 2 different concepts
12:55:55 <steph> ken: we should restrict
12:56:03 <steph> should not includes laptop
12:56:28 <Zakim> +Jacob
12:56:49 <steph> Lauri: smaller screen and less capabilities that a laptop
12:57:23 <steph> should we focus on what on the market
12:59:48 <steph> Stephane: range from low-end phones till high-end phones and not more
12:59:53 <steph> Ken: nokia DS ?
13:00:15 <steph> Stephane: out for me, not in the targeted market
13:00:22 <steph> Renjish: cost is also factor
13:01:32 <kiwanja> nintendo DS, steph
13:01:34 <steph> should also open to things like tablets
13:01:50 <Zakim> -Tadao
13:02:03 <steph> Lauri: agree, taking only mobile phones is limited
13:02:45 <steph> we have to be open
13:04:00 <steph> Action: stephane to continue discussion on definition of mobile devices
13:05:08 <Zakim> -Ken
13:05:09 <Zakim> -Renjish
13:05:10 <Zakim> -steph
13:05:11 <Zakim> -Jacob
13:05:11 <Zakim> -Lauri
13:05:12 <Zakim> UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM has ended
13:05:13 <Zakim> Attendees were +33.9.50.08.aaaa, steph, Ken, +41.22.770.aacc, Jacob, Renjish, +035850558aaee, Lauri, +55115586aaff, Tadao
13:05:13 <steph> rrsagent, make minutes
13:05:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/04-mw4d-minutes.html steph
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