11:01:41 RRSAgent has joined #wam 11:01:41 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-wam-irc 11:01:44 Zakim, who is here? 11:01:44 sorry, arve, I don't know what conference this is 11:01:45 On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, arve, nallott, drogersuk, marcos_, ArtB, shepazu, trackbot 11:02:27 Meeting: Widgets Voice Conference 11:02:29 zakim, this is webapps 11:02:29 ok, marcos_; that matches IA_WebApps(Widgets)7:00AM 11:02:34 Date: 31 July 2008 11:02:36 +Caroline 11:02:38 + +39.011.228.aadd 11:02:38 Chair: Art 11:02:41 Scribe: Art 11:02:46 ScribeNick: ArtB 11:02:49 Zakim, who is here? 11:02:49 On the phone I see +44.771.414.aaaa, ??P1, +47.23.69.aabb, Art_Barstow, +44.771.751.aacc, +39.011.228.aadd, Caroline 11:02:51 On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, arve, nallott, drogersuk, marcos_, ArtB, shepazu, trackbot 11:03:12 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008JulSep/0289.html 11:03:28 +??P7 11:03:36 +Bryan_Sullivan 11:03:44 zakim, ??P7 is me 11:03:44 +marcos_; got it 11:04:04 zakim, aabb is me 11:04:04 +arve; got it 11:04:25 Present: Art, Arve, Benoit, Marcos, David, Claudio, Luca, Nick 11:04:58 Present+ Mark 11:05:10 Present+ Bryan 11:05:14 claudio has joined #wam 11:06:06 Benoit has joined #WAM 11:06:08 RRSAgent, make minutes 11:06:08 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-wam-minutes.html ArtB 11:06:26 Topic: Review Agenda 11:06:27 claudio has joined #wam 11:06:30 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008JulSep/0289.html 11:06:43 AB: any changes? 11:06:48 [None] 11:06:58 Topic: Annoucements 11:07:26 AB: new people include Bryan from AT&T and Nick and David from OMTP 11:07:56 AB: What is your interest Bryan in this WG? 11:08:10 BS: I'm active in MWBP and DD WGs 11:08:41 ... the WebApps' Widgets specs are of interest to me in the mobile context 11:09:13 AB: reminder that the Turnin f2f is Aug 26-28 11:09:37 AB: any other announcements? 11:10:05 Benoit: our widget implementation work is progressing well and we hope to be more active in this WG 11:10:13 Topic: OMTP Intor 11:10:19 s/Intor/Intro/ 11:10:54 NA: I am OMTP CTO 11:11:15 DR: I am involved in external relationships; also have a mobile security background 11:11:32 NA: OMTP is an industry forum; 4 years old now 11:11:42 ... it's all about mobile applications and services 11:12:02 ... we have 8 operators participating 11:12:17 http://www.omtp.org/Membership.aspx 11:12:21 ... we have mainly produced requirements aka "recommendations" 11:12:37 ... areas of focus are: application security e.g. signing 11:12:47 ... also some reqs for browser functionality 11:12:48 http://www.omtp.org/Publications.aspx 11:13:07 NA: BONDI is the result of a study we did 11:13:19 ... reflects what our members are doing and others 11:13:32 ... http://opengardensblog.futuretext.com/archives/2008/07/omtp_bondi_a_de_1.html 11:13:45 http://www.omtp.org/bondi/ 11:13:53 ... we see lots of fragmented APIs and weak security 11:14:14 ... "BONDI" it is mainly a marketing term 11:14:27 ... but its about app security and secure APIs 11:14:44 ... we are focused on reqs but specs are needed 11:15:00 ... want to work with W3C regarding the specs 11:15:15 ... i.e. want W3C's specs to address our reqs if possible 11:15:27 NA: we will publish draft docs in the middle of next week 11:15:51 ... we have two WGs Interfaces and Architecute + Security 11:16:07 ... interfaces in this context means JavaScript 11:16:34 ... we realize the interfaces must be based on good security model 11:16:48 ... e.g. policy management and delegating authority 11:17:13 ... also expect the "package" to have a clear identity 11:17:52 NA: we think our interests align well with the WebApps WG 11:18:07 ... there could be other WGs of interest e.g. Geolocation WG 11:18:14 NA: any questions? 11:18:20 AB: thanks for that intro 11:18:27 Bryan has joined #wam 11:19:47 AB: I'm a bit concerned about the IPR commitments from OMTP inputs 11:19:58 ... especially since some members of OMTP are not members of the W3C 11:20:33 NA: we are working on a concrete proposal on how to deal with this issue 11:21:00 AB: please include me in any related discussions with the W3C staff 11:21:02 NA: will do 11:21:38 Topic: Widget Requirments Last Call 11:21:47 AB: comment period ends on August 1 11:22:04 AB: will that meet your timeframe Nick? 11:22:12 NA: yes 11:22:23 DR: we will submit comments by the deadline 11:23:15 Benoit: when is the "real" deadline 11:23:36 MC: I can handle some late feedback but don't want to extend the deadline too far 11:24:38 AB: I can send a reminder to the WGs 11:24:52 MC: I'm OK with extending the period one week if necessary 11:25:21 ACTION: barstow send a reminder to all of the WGs we asked to do a review 11:25:21 Created ACTION-19 - Send a reminder to all of the WGs we asked to do a review [on Arthur Barstow - due 2008-08-07]. 11:26:41 Benoit: we want to use the f2f to finalize the P&C spec, right? 11:26:48 q+ 11:26:50 MC: yes, that's the plan 11:27:09 Bryan: what level of comments are you expecting? 11:27:24 ... thoughts and questions or detailed requiements? 11:27:32 MC: comments at all levels are welcome 11:27:57 Bryan: I am working with the MWBP WG to consolidate their reqs 11:28:04 MC: great 11:28:43 AB: the LC doc is: http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-widgets-reqs-20080625 11:29:23 AB: where do we stand on Cynthia's comment? 11:29:49 MC: she is asking about the relationship to the WAI Content Guidelines 11:30:10 ... I agree we need a proper reference 11:30:15 ... and I can add it 11:30:42 ... here is my response http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008JulSep/0295.html 11:32:26 AB: any objections to the proposal I submitted? 11:32:29 [None] 11:32:50 MC: I will update the doc accordingly 11:33:31 AB: what about Benoit's comments? 11:33:36 ... I haven't read them yet 11:33:46 Benoit: and I haven't read Marcos response 11:33:54 AB: then let's follow up on the mail list 11:34:15 AB: what about Krzysztof's comments? 11:34:22 MC: I am working on a response 11:34:58 ... some of the major things he raises are why we don't use MIME for the packaging format 11:35:14 ... also raises issues related to the AWWW and file extensions 11:36:38 AB: should we try to invite him to an interactive chat/IRC session? 11:36:41 MC: good idea 11:37:09 ACTION: Barstow work with Marcos to set up an IRC/chat session with Krzysztof 11:37:09 Created ACTION-20 - Work with Marcos to set up an IRC/chat session with Krzysztof [on Arthur Barstow - due 2008-08-07]. 11:38:45 Topic: Widget State Change Events 11:39:21 Benoit: want to be able to programtically change the Widgets' state 11:39:43 ... e.g. programatically change Widget from "docked" to "not docked" 11:40:04 MC: OK, I understand 11:40:44 Topic: R15 and R16 11:40:59 Benoit: regarding R15 http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-widgets-reqs-20080625/#r15.- 11:41:29 MC: I see what you mean 11:41:42 AB: I agree R15 should be MUST 11:43:51 BS: 11:44:03 MC: I've clarified that text 11:44:17 q+ 11:44:43 Bryan: I will send a comment re the platform proxy 11:45:07 ... by default, a platform proxy may be essential e.g. within an enterprise domain 11:45:20 ... should leverage the platform proxy if one is defined 11:45:37 MC: what about a per-widget proxy 11:45:48 Bryan: that could be useful 11:46:20 MC: any other comments on the proxy issue? 11:46:57 [None] 11:47:34 AB: any other feedback Benoit on Marcos' response to you? 11:47:58 Benoit: nothing jumps out yet; I'll read later but in general Marcos has done good work 11:48:09 ... when do you expect to complete the review Marcos? 11:48:18 MC: hopefully by the end of next week 11:48:28 ... if we get new reqs that could slow things 11:50:45 Benoit: what's the next step? 11:50:56 AB: the next phase in Candidate 11:54:40 ... it can sit in Candidate state for 3-4 weeks or several months; we can decide later 11:55:23 Benoit: is the plan for P&C spec to go to LC in October still current? 11:56:23 MC: I'd feel better if we did not go to LC until there is at least a quick-and-dirty implementation 11:57:19 Arve: a problem with implementing before LC is that the proto tends to stick 11:58:00 ... I recommend not implementing until after LC 11:58:43 Topic: Turing f2f Attendance 11:58:53 MC: yes 11:58:56 Arve: YES 11:58:58 yes 11:59:08 Nick and David: yes 11:59:16 Bryan: no 11:59:28 Benoit has joined #WAM 11:59:31 Claudio and Luca: yes 11:59:34 Art: yes 11:59:56 Mark: not sure; hope to though 12:00:23 ... If I can't make it then somone else from VF should be able to attend 12:01:04 AB: meeting closed 12:01:06 - +44.771.751.aacc 12:01:09 -Bryan_Sullivan 12:01:10 -Caroline 12:01:13 RRSAgent, make minutes 12:01:13 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-wam-minutes.html ArtB 12:01:14 - +44.771.414.aaaa 12:01:15 - +39.011.228.aadd 12:01:16 -??P1 12:01:18 -arve 12:01:27 -marcos_ 12:01:46 rrsagent, make logs public 12:03:12 -Art_Barstow 12:03:14 IA_WebApps(Widgets)7:00AM has ended 12:03:16 Attendees were +44.771.414.aaaa, +47.23.69.aabb, Art_Barstow, +44.771.751.aacc, Caroline, +39.011.228.aadd, Bryan_Sullivan, marcos_, arve 12:12:52 ArtB has changed the topic to: Web Apps WG - We put the Web in Apps 12:18:01 arve has left #wam 12:35:34 rrsagent, bye 12:35:34 I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-wam-actions.rdf : 12:35:34 ACTION: barstow send a reminder to all of the WGs we asked to do a review [1] 12:35:34 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-wam-irc#T11-25-21 12:35:34 ACTION: Barstow work with Marcos to set up an IRC/chat session with Krzysztof [2] 12:35:34 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-wam-irc#T11-37-09