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14:46:17 <csma> Zakim, this will be rif
14:46:17 <Zakim> ok, csma; I see SW_RIF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes
14:46:31 <csma> Meeting: RIF telecon 29 July 2008
14:46:52 <csma> Chair: Christian de Sainte Marie
14:47:28 <csma> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Jul/0193.html
14:48:16 <csma> csma has changed the topic to: 29 July 2008 RIF telecon agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Jul/0193.html
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15:02:58 <Zakim> +josb
15:03:17 <Zakim> +??P39
15:03:21 <Zakim> -??P39
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15:03:53 <csma> Igor, would you scribe, please?
15:04:05 <Zakim> +Stella_Mitchell
15:04:18 <IgorMozetic> csma, sorry I have to phone connection, just IRC
15:04:21 <Zakim> +Hassan_Ait-Kaci
15:04:25 <Zakim> +??P43
15:04:32 <csma> zakim, ??P43 is me
15:04:38 <IgorMozetic> s/to phone/no phone/
15:04:53 <Zakim> +csma; got it
15:05:05 <Zakim> +??P53
15:05:38 <csma> zakim, mute me
15:05:40 <Zakim> csma should now be muted
15:05:47 <csma> zakim, unmute me
15:05:52 <Zakim> csma should no longer be muted
15:06:00 <csma> zakim, who is on the ^phone?
15:06:04 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, csma.
15:06:09 <csma> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:06:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see josb, Dave_Reynolds, Stella_Mitchell, Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), csma, AxelPolleres (muted)
15:06:21 <josb> who is 6?
15:06:49 <Zakim> +[IBM]
15:06:55 <Zakim> -Dave_Reynolds
15:07:22 <Zakim> +Gary_Hallmark
15:07:24 <Zakim> -csma
15:07:39 <Zakim> +??P39
15:07:58 <Zakim> +??P43
15:08:20 <csma> zakim, ??P43 is me
15:08:20 <Zakim> +csma; got it
15:09:54 <csma> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:09:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see josb, Stella_Mitchell (muted), Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), AxelPolleres (muted), [IBM], Gary_Hallmark, DaveReynolds (muted), csma
15:09:59 <Zakim> -Gary_Hallmark
15:10:33 <AxelPolleres> very recently :-)
15:10:55 <StellaMitchell> I can scribe
15:11:17 <csma> scribenick: StellaMitChell
15:11:32 <csma> scribenick: StellaMitchell
15:11:38 <csma> Scribe: Stella Mitchell
15:11:42 <StellaMitchell> zakim, Stella_Mitchell is StellaMitchell
15:11:42 <Zakim> +StellaMitchell; got it
15:11:55 <StellaMitchell> topic: Admin
15:11:55 <Zakim> +MichaelKifer
15:12:06 <csma> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Jul/att-0175/2008-07-22-rif-minutes.html
15:12:06 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
15:12:06 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should now be muted
15:12:19 <StellaMitchell> csma: any objections to accepting minutes from last week?
15:12:20 <csma> PROPOSED: accept minutes of telecon July 22
15:12:40 <csma> RESOLVED: eccept minutes of telecon July 22
15:12:48 <csma> s/eccept/accept
15:12:57 <StellaMitchell> scribenick: StellaMitchell
15:13:07 <StellaMitchell> csma: any agenda ammendments?
15:13:09 <StellaMitchell> ...none
15:13:10 <Zakim> +[NRCC]
15:13:16 <josb> q+
15:13:19 <StellaMitchell> topic: Liaisons
15:13:22 <csma> ack josb
15:13:55 <Harold> zakim, [NRCC] is me.
15:13:56 <Zakim> +Harold; got it
15:14:06 <StellaMitchell> no, no news
15:14:21 <StellaMitchell> jos: Asking details about F2F11...where it will be held?
15:14:42 <StellaMitchell> csma: It will be either in NYC or at Watson in Hawthorne
15:15:03 <StellaMitchell> csma: the date is Sept 26-27
15:15:13 <StellaMitchell> jos: It would be good to know which location it will be at
15:15:31 <StellaMitchell> csma: Chris will be back next week, we will discuss it
15:16:24 <StellaMitchell> csma: next week will still be within the 8 week advance rule
15:17:13 <StellaMitchell> csma: any news from liaisons?  ... none
15:17:30 <StellaMitchell> Topic: Action review
15:17:51 <StellaMitchell> csma: sandro not here
15:18:10 <StellaMitchell> csma: action 5?? about review of BLD
15:18:31 <StellaMitchell> leora:  hard drive crashed, has been without a computer for awhile, not able to review
15:18:34 <josb> q+
15:18:38 <csma> ack josb
15:18:43 <StellaMitchell> s/5??/530/
15:19:07 <StellaMitchell> jos: sept 26th is 8 weeks from this Friday
15:19:28 <StellaMitchell> csma: we have the date and airport set, do we still have a problem
15:20:06 <StellaMitchell> jos:  only if w3c rules make it one
15:20:20 <StellaMitchell> csma: should be ok, will try to get this resolved as soon as possible
15:20:36 <Zakim> +Gary_Hallmark
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15:21:11 <StellaMitchell> action-516, chris not here
15:21:21 <StellaMitchell> action-492 complete
15:21:36 <sandro> (Sorry, I'm in an OWL F2F meeting now.)
15:22:23 <StellaMitchell> Topic: Publication plan
15:22:57 <StellaMitchell> csma: have reviews on BLD and SWC
15:23:03 <MichaelKifer> zakim, unmute me
15:23:03 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should no longer be muted
15:23:05 <StellaMitchell> ...mk, harold, jos, do you want to comment?
15:23:16 <josb> q+
15:23:17 <StellaMitchell> mk: took care of stella's comments
15:23:24 <csma> ack josb
15:24:08 <StellaMitchell> jos: the comments were after july 23rd freeze, and the resolutions were about 23rd version, so do we want to take these last changes into account in the publications?
15:24:21 <GaryHallmark> zakim, who is talking
15:24:21 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is talking', GaryHallmark
15:24:27 <GaryHallmark> zakim, who is talking?
15:24:38 <Zakim> GaryHallmark, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: josb (24%)
15:24:40 <StellaMitchell> csma:  yes, sandro made new drafts yesterday. what kind of changes are they?
15:24:49 <AxelPolleres> Micheal fixed some broken links in DTB still and I fixed the few remaining ones only yesterday ... but that is purely editorial of course. 
15:25:00 <StellaMitchell> mk: they are stylistic. 23rd versions had formatting problems, they are not publishable
15:26:50 <StellaMitchell> csma: jos, bld ok with you?
15:27:05 <StellaMitchell> jos: I didn't look closely at changes since 23rd, Michael?
15:27:24 <StellaMitchell> mk: added new signatures in section 6.1 (for external), but I would still consider it editorial
15:27:30 <StellaMitchell> jos: yes, I'm ok with this
15:27:51 <StellaMitchell> mk: still some things to fix, links etc
15:28:21 <StellaMitchell> jos: these are not substantial changes that would affect publication. still a list numbering problem in section 6.1
15:29:03 <GaryHallmark> zakim, who is talking?
15:29:05 <StellaMitchell> mk: I think I fixed the 6.1 numbering problem yesterday, but I don't know how to make  a new frozen version to check it
15:29:14 <Zakim> GaryHallmark, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: josb (32%), csma (47%), MichaelKifer (9%)
15:29:43 <csma> PROPOSED: Publish the July 28 snapshot as BLD LC, after correction of the HTML problem in section 6.1
15:30:00 <AxelPolleres> +1
15:30:44 <AxelPolleres> :-)
15:31:16 <csma> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:31:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see josb, StellaMitchell (muted), Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), AxelPolleres (muted), [IBM], DaveReynolds (muted), csma, MichaelKifer, Harold, Gary_Hallmark
15:31:23 <csma> PROPOSED: Publish the July 28 snapshot as BLD LC, after correction of the HTML problem in section 6.1
15:31:35 <AxelPolleres> +1, DERI
15:31:37 <josb> +1 (FUB)
15:32:14 <csma> PROPOSED: Publish the July 28 snapshot as BLD LC, after correction of the HTML problems
15:32:28 <josb> +1 (FUB)
15:32:30 <Harold> +1 (NRC)
15:32:32 <MichaelKifer> +1
15:32:40 <AxelPolleres> +1, DERI
15:32:42 <IgorMozetic> +1 (JSI)
15:32:44 <DaveReynolds> +1 (HP)
15:32:48 <GaryHallmark> +1 Oracle
15:32:50 <Hassan> +1
15:33:21 <Hassan> +1 (ILOG)
15:33:23 <StellaMitchell> +1 by Leora
15:34:08 <csma> RESOLVED: Publish the July 28 snapshot as BLD LC, after correction of the HTML problem in section 6.1
15:34:31 <StellaMitchell> you resolved not the lastest versin
15:34:43 <StellaMitchell> s/versin/version/
15:34:49 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
15:34:49 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should now be muted
15:34:54 <csma> RESOLVED: Publish the July 28 snapshot as BLD LC, after correction of the HTML problems.
15:35:18 <csma> PROPOSED: Publish the July 28 snapshot as SWC LC.
15:35:42 <Harold> +1 (NRC)
15:35:45 <josb> +1 (FUB)
15:35:49 <AxelPolleres> +1, DERI
15:35:51 <GaryHallmark> +1 Oracle
15:35:53 <IgorMozetic> +1 (JSI)
15:35:56 <MichaelKifer> +1
15:36:02 <Hassan> +1 (ILOG)
15:36:09 <DaveReynolds> +1 (HP)
15:36:45 <StellaMitchell> +1, IBM (Leora by phone)
15:36:56 <csma> RESOLVED: Publish the July 28 snapshot as SWC LC.
15:37:25 <csma> PROPOSED: Publish the July 28 snapshot as UCR 3rd public WD
15:37:37 <josb> q+
15:37:37 <Harold> +1 (NRC)
15:37:43 <csma> ack josb
15:37:53 <StellaMitchell> jos: when are we going to publish LC of UCR?
15:38:05 <StellaMitchell> csma: I think we decided to keep it a living document
15:38:18 <StellaMitchell> jos: so it will forever be a working draft?
15:38:27 <sandro> (The final state of UCR could be Working Group Note.   It doesn't need to go to Rec.)
15:38:38 <StellaMitchell> csma: not necessarily forever, but for now, at least 
15:39:18 <StellaMitchell> csma: at the end of the working group, we will publish it as a working group note
15:39:25 <josb> +1 (FUB)
15:39:28 <Hassan> +1 (ILOG)
15:39:30 <AxelPolleres> +1 (DERI)
15:39:34 <IgorMozetic> +1 (JSI)
15:39:34 <MichaelKifer> +1
15:39:36 <GaryHallmark> +1 Oracle
15:39:47 <DaveReynolds> +1 (HP)
15:39:51 <StellaMitchell> +1, IBM (Leora by phone)
15:40:11 <csma> RESOLVED: Publish the July 28 snapshot as UCR 3rd public WD
15:40:34 <csma> PROPOSED: Publish the July 28 snapchot as FLD 2nd public WD
15:40:39 <MichaelKifer> zakim, unmute me
15:40:39 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should no longer be muted
15:40:55 <StellaMitchell> mk: I found lots of html errors
15:40:56 <josb> s/snapchot/snapshot/
15:41:12 <StellaMitchell> mk: can we resolve it subject to correcting html errors?
15:41:36 <StellaMitchell> csma: I would like us to have a deadline for fixing these errors. Sandro prefers to publish all documents in one batch.
15:42:18 <StellaMitchell> mk: I will fix the html today, and will send Sandro a message. It will take a few iterations. Is there a way I can produce a frozen draft myself?
15:42:21 <AxelPolleres> +q
15:42:42 <AxelPolleres> zakim, unmute me
15:42:42 <Zakim> AxelPolleres should no longer be muted
15:42:48 <csma> ack axel
15:43:19 <StellaMitchell> axel: is it true that if wiki version validates, the frozen version also validates?
15:43:29 <StellaMitchell> mk: you are supposed to validate the version that Sandro produces
15:43:49 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/FLD,validate
15:43:59 <AxelPolleres> you should fix it in the wiki version!
15:45:27 <StellaMitchell> mk: I validated the frozen version
15:45:48 <StellaMitchell> jos, csma: you have to validate and checklinks the wiki version
15:45:51 <csma> q?
15:46:03 <csma> PROPOSED: Publish the July 28 snapchot as FLD 2nd public WD, after correction of HTML errors
15:46:33 <StellaMitchell> mk: bld wiki version also has problems when I run validate
15:46:39 <StellaMitchell> ...several pages of them
15:47:15 <StellaMitchell> mk: the tool doesn't seem to refer to the right line numbers
15:47:16 <AxelPolleres> click "show source"
15:47:19 <AxelPolleres> rigtht.
15:47:22 <StellaMitchell> jos: use the "show source" option
15:47:50 <StellaMitchell> mk: I will work on validation of wiki versions of bld and fld today
15:48:00 <StellaMitchell> csma: send me a message when you're done
15:48:05 <csma> PROPOSED: Publish the July 28 snapchot as FLD 2nd public WD, after correction of HTML errors
15:48:16 <AxelPolleres> +1 (DERI)
15:48:23 <IgorMozetic> +1 (JSI)
15:48:27 <josb> +1 (FUB)
15:48:31 <Harold> +1 (NRC)
15:48:33 <Hassan> +1 (ILOG)
15:48:47 <MichaelKifer> +1
15:48:47 <DaveReynolds> +1 (HP)
15:48:49 <StellaMitchell> +1 (IBM) (Leora by phone)
15:48:57 <GaryHallmark> +1 Oracle
15:49:11 <csma> RESOLVED: Publish the July 28 snapchot as FLD 2nd public WD, after correction of HTML errors
15:49:25 <josb> s/snapchot/snapshot/
15:49:28 <csma> s/chot/shot/
15:49:54 <csma> PROPOSED: Publish the July 28 snapshot as DTB FPWD
15:50:03 <AxelPolleres> small issue: http://www.w3.org/2007/rif#iri is not dereferenceable, do we want it to redirect to DTB? (not critical path)
15:50:06 <AxelPolleres> q+
15:50:24 <csma> ack axel
15:51:02 <josb> q+
15:51:51 <csma> ack josb
15:52:04 <josb> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Jul/0203.html
15:52:26 <StellaMitchell> jos: I sent email about this, that there should not be links to non-human-readable content
15:53:03 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
15:53:05 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should now be muted
15:53:32 <csma> PROPOSED: Publish the July 28 snapshot as DTB FPWD
15:54:10 <StellaMitchell> axel:  I made some link fixes in the wiki version, so need a few frozen draft of this
15:54:43 <sandro> OWL 2 Web Ontology Language: Semantic of OWL DL
15:54:45 <sandro> OWL 2 Web Ontology Language: Semantic of OWL Full
15:54:56 <sandro> oops wrong channel!
15:55:01 <AxelPolleres> sandro, wrong chat?
15:55:03 <AxelPolleres> :-)
15:55:04 <StellaMitchell> csma: publication is made from wiki, not snapshots
15:55:15 <csma> PROPOSED: Publish the July 28 snapshot as DTB FPWD, after the links are fixed
15:55:20 <StellaMitchell> jos: resolution is worded about snapshot
15:55:48 <StellaMitchell> csma: snapshot just refers to which version we are talking about
15:56:02 <GaryHallmark> +1 Oracle
15:56:04 <AxelPolleres> +1 (DERI)
15:56:05 <josb> +1 (FUB)
15:56:05 <IgorMozetic> +1 (JSI)
15:56:06 <Hassan> +1 (ILOG)
15:56:12 <DaveReynolds> +1 (HP)
15:56:22 <Harold> +1 (NRC)
15:56:22 <StellaMitchell> +1 (IBM) (leora by phone)
15:56:27 <MichaelKifer> +1
15:56:40 <csma> RESOLVED: Publish the July 28 snapshot as DTB FPWD, after the links are fixed
15:56:58 <csma> PROPOSED: Publish the July 28 snapshot as PRD FPWD.
15:57:13 <GaryHallmark> +1 Oracle
15:57:22 <Hassan> +1 (ILOG)
15:57:23 <josb> +1 (FUB)
15:57:31 <MichaelKifer> +1
15:57:33 <DaveReynolds> +1 (HP)
15:57:33 <IgorMozetic> +1 (JSI)
15:57:36 <Harold> +1 (NRC)
15:57:54 <StellaMitchell> +1 (IBM) (Leora by phone)
15:58:08 <AxelPolleres> +1 (DERI)
15:58:27 <csma> RESOLVED: Publish the July 28 snapshot as PRD FPWD.
15:58:50 <Harold> Outstanding ed notes can be fixed with the extended wd2 eds list of PRD.
15:59:00 <AxelPolleres> yes, links are already fixed
15:59:30 <Zakim> -josb
16:00:00 <StellaMitchell> Topic:  DTB for PRD
16:00:17 <StellaMitchell> csma: I don't think that much needs to be changed in either
16:00:29 <StellaMitchell> ... Axel, others, do you have an idea of the changes required?
16:00:29 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, unmute me
16:00:29 <Zakim> AxelPolleres was not muted, AxelPolleres
16:00:57 <StellaMitchell> axel: whether you would need additional ??
16:01:27 <StellaMitchell> csma:  I was asking a different question: does  DTB depend on BLD and FLD having a model theoretic semantics?
16:01:57 <StellaMitchell> axel: we define semantics of built-ins in model theoretic way
16:02:47 <StellaMitchell> csma:  so, if we want to adapt DTB for dialects that don't have model theoretic semantics, we would have to give an equivalent definition
16:03:30 <StellaMitchell> axel: it would basically be reversing what we did. xpath/xqeury were defined in terms of operational semantics, we adapted for BLD
16:03:40 <MichaelKifer> q+
16:03:41 <sandro> Zakim, list attendees
16:03:42 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been josb, Dave_Reynolds, Hassan_Ait-Kaci, csma, AxelPolleres, [IBM], Gary_Hallmark, DaveReynolds, StellaMitchell, MichaelKifer, Harold
16:03:48 <sandro> zakim, draft minutes
16:03:50 <Zakim> I don't understand 'draft minutes', sandro
16:03:53 <sandro> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:03:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/29-rif-minutes.html sandro
16:03:57 <MichaelKifer> zakim, unmute me
16:03:57 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should no longer be muted
16:04:07 <csma> ack michael
16:04:13 <sandro> RRSAgent, make record public
16:04:20 <StellaMitchell> gary:  matching theory (as bridge) needs to be related to BLD
16:04:55 <StellaMitchell> ...bld shows how fixed interpreations are viewed in model theory
16:05:18 <StellaMitchell> csma:  but bridge is in DTB it would serve for all dialects that have operational semantics
16:05:39 <StellaMitchell> mk: I'm not sure that every dialect that doesn't have MT semantics will need the same bridge
16:06:15 <MichaelKifer> q-
16:06:19 <StellaMitchell> gary: we need see if DTB can be generalized to work for both PRD and BLD
16:07:10 <StellaMitchell> csma: yes, anything specific to PRD should be in PRD, but common things should be described in DTB in a way that works for both (and for future dialects)
16:07:55 <StellaMitchell> mk: I thik the current description is fairly applicable to PRD
16:08:01 <AxelPolleres> if you implement the built-ins (in an operational way... namely e.g. calling an xqath/xquery compliant library, you do get results that are compliant with the semantics). I have to admit that I still owe a proper review of PRD.
16:08:21 <StellaMitchell> s/thik/think/
16:08:44 <AxelPolleres> +1 to mk
16:08:48 <StellaMitchell> mk:  don't have to make big changes, just change the way you talk about it
16:08:52 <StellaMitchell> csma: I see your point
16:10:04 <StellaMitchell> csma: can you post this to the list, about grounding, etc?
16:10:20 <StellaMitchell> mk: I was thinking of extending FLD so it would cover PRD
16:10:31 <StellaMitchell> gary: it just provides a model for the expressions, not the rules
16:12:01 <Hassan> I agree with Gary - there seems to be no issue w/ regards to PRD expressions comply with BLD's semantics 
16:12:20 <csma> action: Michael to provide a draft of how PRD expressions comply with FLD semantics
16:12:20 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Michael
16:12:20 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. mkifer, msintek, merdmann)
16:12:45 <csma> action: mkifer to provide a draft of how PRD expressions comply with FLD semantics
16:12:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-546 - Provide a draft of how PRD expressions comply with FLD semantics [on Michael Kifer - due 2008-08-05].
16:13:02 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
16:13:02 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should now be muted
16:13:03 <StellaMitchell> Topic: AOB
16:13:12 <Hassan> +1
16:13:17 <AxelPolleres> +1 
16:13:17 <GaryHallmark> +1
16:13:18 <StellaMitchell> csma: propose to adjourn
16:13:24 <MichaelKifer> +1
16:13:30 <Zakim> -Gary_Hallmark
16:13:31 <Zakim> -Hassan_Ait-Kaci
16:13:35 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds
16:13:38 <Zakim> -Harold
16:13:39 <Zakim> -MichaelKifer
16:13:39 <Zakim> -[IBM]
16:13:41 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
16:13:45 <csma> rrsagent, make log public
16:14:24 <csma> Regrets:  Sandro Hawke ChrisWelty MohamedZergaoui AdrianPaschke
16:14:31 <csma> zakim, list attendees
16:14:31 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been josb, Dave_Reynolds, Hassan_Ait-Kaci, csma, AxelPolleres, [IBM], Gary_Hallmark, DaveReynolds, StellaMitchell, MichaelKifer, Harold
16:14:40 <csma> rrsagent, make minutes
16:14:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/29-rif-minutes.html csma
16:15:13 <csma> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:15:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see StellaMitchell (muted), csma
16:15:17 <StellaMitchell> zakim, unmute mje
16:15:17 <Zakim> sorry, StellaMitchell, I do not know which phone connection belongs to mje
16:15:24 <StellaMitchell> zakim, unmute me
16:15:24 <Zakim> StellaMitchell should no longer be muted
16:15:32 <sandro> csma, it looks like I should go ahead and start to turn the publishing crank.
16:21:16 <Zakim> -StellaMitchell
16:21:18 <Zakim> -csma
16:21:18 <Zakim> SW_RIF()11:00AM has ended
16:21:19 <Zakim> Attendees were josb, Dave_Reynolds, Hassan_Ait-Kaci, csma, AxelPolleres, [IBM], Gary_Hallmark, DaveReynolds, StellaMitchell, MichaelKifer, Harold
16:21:34 <csma> sandro, can we talk (now or later)?
16:21:48 <csma> There are a few things I'd like to discuss with you
16:21:56 <csma> and that would be easier by phone
16:30:10 <csma> Re the publishing crank: MK has still to do some corrections for the HTML in BLD and FLD (he was validating on your snapshots :-)
16:31:18 <csma> He will send me an email as soon as BLD and FLD validate (or any remaining HTML problems are resolved)
17:23:39 <csma> Sandro?
17:23:53 <csma> Do I need to do something, re the publications?
17:24:08 <csma> And/or can I help in any way?
18:04:39 <sandro> Um, help me think about / write some SOTD text?   That's the only non-mechanical thing, I think.
18:04:45 <sandro> csma, 
18:05:35 <sandro> What meta-information do people want/need to know, that's not in the docs itself.....?
18:07:30 <sandro> Including explaining how DTB came out of BLD.
18:07:42 <sandro> We never did write that Overview web page.  :-(
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