IRC log of rif on 2008-07-29

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14:46:17 [csma]

Zakim, this will be rif

14:46:17 [Zakim]

ok, csma; I see SW_RIF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes

14:46:31 [csma]

Meeting: RIF telecon 29 July 2008

14:46:52 [csma]

Chair: Christian de Sainte Marie

14:47:28 [csma]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Jul/0193.html

14:48:16 [csma]

csma has changed the topic to: 29 July 2008 RIF telecon agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Jul/0193.html

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SW_RIF()11:00AM has now started

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+josb

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+??P39

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-??P39

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+??P39

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+Dave_Reynolds (was ??P39)

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15:03:53 [csma]

Igor, would you scribe, please?

15:04:05 [Zakim]

+Stella_Mitchell

15:04:18 [IgorMozetic]

csma, sorry I have to phone connection, just IRC

15:04:21 [Zakim]

+Hassan_Ait-Kaci

15:04:25 [Zakim]

+??P43

15:04:32 [csma]

zakim, ??P43 is me

15:04:38 [IgorMozetic]

s/to phone/no phone/

15:04:53 [Zakim]

+csma; got it

15:05:05 [Zakim]

+??P53

15:05:38 [csma]

zakim, mute me

15:05:40 [Zakim]

csma should now be muted

15:05:47 [csma]

zakim, unmute me

15:05:52 [Zakim]

csma should no longer be muted

15:06:00 [csma]

zakim, who is on the ^phone?

15:06:04 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, csma.

15:06:09 [csma]

zakim, who is on the phone?

15:06:12 [Zakim]

On the phone I see josb, Dave_Reynolds, Stella_Mitchell, Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), csma, AxelPolleres (muted)

15:06:21 [josb]

who is 6?

15:06:49 [Zakim]

+[IBM]

15:06:55 [Zakim]

-Dave_Reynolds

15:07:22 [Zakim]

+Gary_Hallmark

15:07:24 [Zakim]

-csma

15:07:39 [Zakim]

+??P39

15:07:58 [Zakim]

+??P43

15:08:20 [csma]

zakim, ??P43 is me

15:08:20 [Zakim]

+csma; got it

15:09:54 [csma]

zakim, who is on the phone?

15:09:56 [Zakim]

On the phone I see josb, Stella_Mitchell (muted), Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), AxelPolleres (muted), [IBM], Gary_Hallmark, DaveReynolds (muted), csma

15:09:59 [Zakim]

-Gary_Hallmark

15:10:33 [AxelPolleres]

very recently :-)

15:10:55 [StellaMitchell]

I can scribe

15:11:17 [csma]

scribenick: StellaMitChell

15:11:32 [csma]

scribenick: StellaMitchell

15:11:38 [csma]

Scribe: Stella Mitchell

15:11:42 [StellaMitchell]

zakim, Stella_Mitchell is StellaMitchell

15:11:42 [Zakim]

+StellaMitchell; got it

15:11:55 [StellaMitchell]

topic: Admin

15:11:55 [Zakim]

+MichaelKifer

15:12:06 [csma]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Jul/att-0175/2008-07-22-rif-minutes.html

15:12:06 [MichaelKifer]

zakim, mute me

15:12:06 [Zakim]

MichaelKifer should now be muted

15:12:19 [StellaMitchell]

csma: any objections to accepting minutes from last week?

15:12:20 [csma]

PROPOSED: accept minutes of telecon July 22

15:12:40 [csma]

RESOLVED: eccept minutes of telecon July 22

15:12:48 [csma]

s/eccept/accept

15:12:57 [StellaMitchell]

scribenick: StellaMitchell

15:13:07 [StellaMitchell]

csma: any agenda ammendments?

15:13:09 [StellaMitchell]

...none

15:13:10 [Zakim]

+[NRCC]

15:13:16 [josb]

q+

15:13:19 [StellaMitchell]

topic: Liaisons

15:13:22 [csma]

ack josb

15:13:55 [Harold]

zakim, [NRCC] is me.

15:13:56 [Zakim]

+Harold; got it

15:14:06 [StellaMitchell]

no, no news

15:14:21 [StellaMitchell]

jos: Asking details about F2F11...where it will be held?

15:14:42 [StellaMitchell]

csma: It will be either in NYC or at Watson in Hawthorne

15:15:03 [StellaMitchell]

csma: the date is Sept 26-27

15:15:13 [StellaMitchell]

jos: It would be good to know which location it will be at

15:15:31 [StellaMitchell]

csma: Chris will be back next week, we will discuss it

15:16:24 [StellaMitchell]

csma: next week will still be within the 8 week advance rule

15:17:13 [StellaMitchell]

csma: any news from liaisons? ... none

15:17:30 [StellaMitchell]

Topic: Action review

15:17:51 [StellaMitchell]

csma: sandro not here

15:18:10 [StellaMitchell]

csma: action 5?? about review of BLD

15:18:31 [StellaMitchell]

leora: hard drive crashed, has been without a computer for awhile, not able to review

15:18:34 [josb]

q+

15:18:38 [csma]

ack josb

15:18:43 [StellaMitchell]

s/5??/530/

15:19:07 [StellaMitchell]

jos: sept 26th is 8 weeks from this Friday

15:19:28 [StellaMitchell]

csma: we have the date and airport set, do we still have a problem

15:20:06 [StellaMitchell]

jos: only if w3c rules make it one

15:20:20 [StellaMitchell]

csma: should be ok, will try to get this resolved as soon as possible

15:20:36 [Zakim]

+Gary_Hallmark

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15:21:11 [StellaMitchell]

action-516, chris not here

15:21:21 [StellaMitchell]

action-492 complete

15:21:36 [sandro]

(Sorry, I'm in an OWL F2F meeting now.)

15:22:23 [StellaMitchell]

Topic: Publication plan

15:22:57 [StellaMitchell]

csma: have reviews on BLD and SWC

15:23:03 [MichaelKifer]

zakim, unmute me

15:23:03 [Zakim]

MichaelKifer should no longer be muted

15:23:05 [StellaMitchell]

...mk, harold, jos, do you want to comment?

15:23:16 [josb]

q+

15:23:17 [StellaMitchell]

mk: took care of stella's comments

15:23:24 [csma]

ack josb

15:24:08 [StellaMitchell]

jos: the comments were after july 23rd freeze, and the resolutions were about 23rd version, so do we want to take these last changes into account in the publications?

15:24:21 [GaryHallmark]

zakim, who is talking

15:24:21 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'who is talking', GaryHallmark

15:24:27 [GaryHallmark]

zakim, who is talking?

15:24:38 [Zakim]

GaryHallmark, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: josb (24%)

15:24:40 [StellaMitchell]

csma: yes, sandro made new drafts yesterday. what kind of changes are they?

15:24:49 [AxelPolleres]

Micheal fixed some broken links in DTB still and I fixed the few remaining ones only yesterday ... but that is purely editorial of course.

15:25:00 [StellaMitchell]

mk: they are stylistic. 23rd versions had formatting problems, they are not publishable

15:26:50 [StellaMitchell]

csma: jos, bld ok with you?

15:27:05 [StellaMitchell]

jos: I didn't look closely at changes since 23rd, Michael?

15:27:24 [StellaMitchell]

mk: added new signatures in section 6.1 (for external), but I would still consider it editorial

15:27:30 [StellaMitchell]

jos: yes, I'm ok with this

15:27:51 [StellaMitchell]

mk: still some things to fix, links etc

15:28:21 [StellaMitchell]

jos: these are not substantial changes that would affect publication. still a list numbering problem in section 6.1

15:29:03 [GaryHallmark]

zakim, who is talking?

15:29:05 [StellaMitchell]

mk: I think I fixed the 6.1 numbering problem yesterday, but I don't know how to make a new frozen version to check it

15:29:14 [Zakim]

GaryHallmark, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: josb (32%), csma (47%), MichaelKifer (9%)

15:29:43 [csma]

PROPOSED: Publish the July 28 snapshot as BLD LC, after correction of the HTML problem in section 6.1

15:30:00 [AxelPolleres]

+1

15:30:44 [AxelPolleres]

:-)

15:31:16 [csma]

zakim, who is on the phone?

15:31:16 [Zakim]

On the phone I see josb, StellaMitchell (muted), Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted), AxelPolleres (muted), [IBM], DaveReynolds (muted), csma, MichaelKifer, Harold, Gary_Hallmark

15:31:23 [csma]

PROPOSED: Publish the July 28 snapshot as BLD LC, after correction of the HTML problem in section 6.1

15:31:35 [AxelPolleres]

+1, DERI

15:31:37 [josb]

+1 (FUB)

15:32:14 [csma]

PROPOSED: Publish the July 28 snapshot as BLD LC, after correction of the HTML problems

15:32:28 [josb]

+1 (FUB)

15:32:30 [Harold]

+1 (NRC)

15:32:32 [MichaelKifer]

+1

15:32:40 [AxelPolleres]

+1, DERI

15:32:42 [IgorMozetic]

+1 (JSI)

15:32:44 [DaveReynolds]

+1 (HP)

15:32:48 [GaryHallmark]

+1 Oracle

15:32:50 [Hassan]

+1

15:33:21 [Hassan]

+1 (ILOG)

15:33:23 [StellaMitchell]

+1 by Leora

15:34:08 [csma]

RESOLVED: Publish the July 28 snapshot as BLD LC, after correction of the HTML problem in section 6.1

15:34:31 [StellaMitchell]

you resolved not the lastest versin

15:34:43 [StellaMitchell]

s/versin/version/

15:34:49 [MichaelKifer]

zakim, mute me

15:34:49 [Zakim]

MichaelKifer should now be muted

15:34:54 [csma]

RESOLVED: Publish the July 28 snapshot as BLD LC, after correction of the HTML problems.

15:35:18 [csma]

PROPOSED: Publish the July 28 snapshot as SWC LC.

15:35:42 [Harold]

+1 (NRC)

15:35:45 [josb]

+1 (FUB)

15:35:49 [AxelPolleres]

+1, DERI

15:35:51 [GaryHallmark]

+1 Oracle

15:35:53 [IgorMozetic]

+1 (JSI)

15:35:56 [MichaelKifer]

+1

15:36:02 [Hassan]

+1 (ILOG)

15:36:09 [DaveReynolds]

+1 (HP)

15:36:45 [StellaMitchell]

+1, IBM (Leora by phone)

15:36:56 [csma]

RESOLVED: Publish the July 28 snapshot as SWC LC.

15:37:25 [csma]

PROPOSED: Publish the July 28 snapshot as UCR 3rd public WD

15:37:37 [josb]

q+

15:37:37 [Harold]

+1 (NRC)

15:37:43 [csma]

ack josb

15:37:53 [StellaMitchell]

jos: when are we going to publish LC of UCR?

15:38:05 [StellaMitchell]

csma: I think we decided to keep it a living document

15:38:18 [StellaMitchell]

jos: so it will forever be a working draft?

15:38:27 [sandro]

(The final state of UCR could be Working Group Note. It doesn't need to go to Rec.)

15:38:38 [StellaMitchell]

csma: not necessarily forever, but for now, at least

15:39:18 [StellaMitchell]

csma: at the end of the working group, we will publish it as a working group note

15:39:25 [josb]

+1 (FUB)

15:39:28 [Hassan]

+1 (ILOG)

15:39:30 [AxelPolleres]

+1 (DERI)

15:39:34 [IgorMozetic]

+1 (JSI)

15:39:34 [MichaelKifer]

+1

15:39:36 [GaryHallmark]

+1 Oracle

15:39:47 [DaveReynolds]

+1 (HP)

15:39:51 [StellaMitchell]

+1, IBM (Leora by phone)

15:40:11 [csma]

RESOLVED: Publish the July 28 snapshot as UCR 3rd public WD

15:40:34 [csma]

PROPOSED: Publish the July 28 snapchot as FLD 2nd public WD

15:40:39 [MichaelKifer]

zakim, unmute me

15:40:39 [Zakim]

MichaelKifer should no longer be muted

15:40:55 [StellaMitchell]

mk: I found lots of html errors

15:40:56 [josb]

s/snapchot/snapshot/

15:41:12 [StellaMitchell]

mk: can we resolve it subject to correcting html errors?

15:41:36 [StellaMitchell]

csma: I would like us to have a deadline for fixing these errors. Sandro prefers to publish all documents in one batch.

15:42:18 [StellaMitchell]

mk: I will fix the html today, and will send Sandro a message. It will take a few iterations. Is there a way I can produce a frozen draft myself?

15:42:21 [AxelPolleres]

+q

15:42:42 [AxelPolleres]

zakim, unmute me

15:42:42 [Zakim]

AxelPolleres should no longer be muted

15:42:48 [csma]

ack axel

15:43:19 [StellaMitchell]

axel: is it true that if wiki version validates, the frozen version also validates?

15:43:29 [StellaMitchell]

mk: you are supposed to validate the version that Sandro produces

15:43:49 [AxelPolleres]

http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/FLD,validate

15:43:59 [AxelPolleres]

you should fix it in the wiki version!

15:45:27 [StellaMitchell]

mk: I validated the frozen version

15:45:48 [StellaMitchell]

jos, csma: you have to validate and checklinks the wiki version

15:45:51 [csma]

q?

15:46:03 [csma]

PROPOSED: Publish the July 28 snapchot as FLD 2nd public WD, after correction of HTML errors

15:46:33 [StellaMitchell]

mk: bld wiki version also has problems when I run validate

15:46:39 [StellaMitchell]

...several pages of them

15:47:15 [StellaMitchell]

mk: the tool doesn't seem to refer to the right line numbers

15:47:16 [AxelPolleres]

click "show source"

15:47:19 [AxelPolleres]

rigtht.

15:47:22 [StellaMitchell]

jos: use the "show source" option

15:47:50 [StellaMitchell]

mk: I will work on validation of wiki versions of bld and fld today

15:48:00 [StellaMitchell]

csma: send me a message when you're done

15:48:05 [csma]

PROPOSED: Publish the July 28 snapchot as FLD 2nd public WD, after correction of HTML errors

15:48:16 [AxelPolleres]

+1 (DERI)

15:48:23 [IgorMozetic]

+1 (JSI)

15:48:27 [josb]

+1 (FUB)

15:48:31 [Harold]

+1 (NRC)

15:48:33 [Hassan]

+1 (ILOG)

15:48:47 [MichaelKifer]

+1

15:48:47 [DaveReynolds]

+1 (HP)

15:48:49 [StellaMitchell]

+1 (IBM) (Leora by phone)

15:48:57 [GaryHallmark]

+1 Oracle

15:49:11 [csma]

RESOLVED: Publish the July 28 snapchot as FLD 2nd public WD, after correction of HTML errors

15:49:25 [josb]

s/snapchot/snapshot/

15:49:28 [csma]

s/chot/shot/

15:49:54 [csma]

PROPOSED: Publish the July 28 snapshot as DTB FPWD

15:50:03 [AxelPolleres]

small issue: http://www.w3.org/2007/rif#iri is not dereferenceable, do we want it to redirect to DTB? (not critical path)

15:50:06 [AxelPolleres]

q+

15:50:24 [csma]

ack axel

15:51:02 [josb]

q+

15:51:51 [csma]

ack josb

15:52:04 [josb]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Jul/0203.html

15:52:26 [StellaMitchell]

jos: I sent email about this, that there should not be links to non-human-readable content

15:53:03 [MichaelKifer]

zakim, mute me

15:53:05 [Zakim]

MichaelKifer should now be muted

15:53:32 [csma]

PROPOSED: Publish the July 28 snapshot as DTB FPWD

15:54:10 [StellaMitchell]

axel: I made some link fixes in the wiki version, so need a few frozen draft of this

15:54:43 [sandro]

OWL 2 Web Ontology Language: Semantic of OWL DL

15:54:45 [sandro]

OWL 2 Web Ontology Language: Semantic of OWL Full

15:54:56 [sandro]

oops wrong channel!

15:55:01 [AxelPolleres]

sandro, wrong chat?

15:55:03 [AxelPolleres]

:-)

15:55:04 [StellaMitchell]

csma: publication is made from wiki, not snapshots

15:55:15 [csma]

PROPOSED: Publish the July 28 snapshot as DTB FPWD, after the links are fixed

15:55:20 [StellaMitchell]

jos: resolution is worded about snapshot

15:55:48 [StellaMitchell]

csma: snapshot just refers to which version we are talking about

15:56:02 [GaryHallmark]

+1 Oracle

15:56:04 [AxelPolleres]

+1 (DERI)

15:56:05 [josb]

+1 (FUB)

15:56:05 [IgorMozetic]

+1 (JSI)

15:56:06 [Hassan]

+1 (ILOG)

15:56:12 [DaveReynolds]

+1 (HP)

15:56:22 [Harold]

+1 (NRC)

15:56:22 [StellaMitchell]

+1 (IBM) (leora by phone)

15:56:27 [MichaelKifer]

+1

15:56:40 [csma]

RESOLVED: Publish the July 28 snapshot as DTB FPWD, after the links are fixed

15:56:58 [csma]

PROPOSED: Publish the July 28 snapshot as PRD FPWD.

15:57:13 [GaryHallmark]

+1 Oracle

15:57:22 [Hassan]

+1 (ILOG)

15:57:23 [josb]

+1 (FUB)

15:57:31 [MichaelKifer]

+1

15:57:33 [DaveReynolds]

+1 (HP)

15:57:33 [IgorMozetic]

+1 (JSI)

15:57:36 [Harold]

+1 (NRC)

15:57:54 [StellaMitchell]

+1 (IBM) (Leora by phone)

15:58:08 [AxelPolleres]

+1 (DERI)

15:58:27 [csma]

RESOLVED: Publish the July 28 snapshot as PRD FPWD.

15:58:50 [Harold]

Outstanding ed notes can be fixed with the extended wd2 eds list of PRD.

15:59:00 [AxelPolleres]

yes, links are already fixed

15:59:30 [Zakim]

-josb

16:00:00 [StellaMitchell]

Topic: DTB for PRD

16:00:17 [StellaMitchell]

csma: I don't think that much needs to be changed in either

16:00:29 [StellaMitchell]

... Axel, others, do you have an idea of the changes required?

16:00:29 [AxelPolleres]

Zakim, unmute me

16:00:29 [Zakim]

AxelPolleres was not muted, AxelPolleres

16:00:57 [StellaMitchell]

axel: whether you would need additional ??

16:01:27 [StellaMitchell]

csma: I was asking a different question: does DTB depend on BLD and FLD having a model theoretic semantics?

16:01:57 [StellaMitchell]

axel: we define semantics of built-ins in model theoretic way

16:02:47 [StellaMitchell]

csma: so, if we want to adapt DTB for dialects that don't have model theoretic semantics, we would have to give an equivalent definition

16:03:30 [StellaMitchell]

axel: it would basically be reversing what we did. xpath/xqeury were defined in terms of operational semantics, we adapted for BLD

16:03:40 [MichaelKifer]

q+

16:03:41 [sandro]

Zakim, list attendees

16:03:42 [Zakim]

As of this point the attendees have been josb, Dave_Reynolds, Hassan_Ait-Kaci, csma, AxelPolleres, [IBM], Gary_Hallmark, DaveReynolds, StellaMitchell, MichaelKifer, Harold

16:03:48 [sandro]

zakim, draft minutes

16:03:50 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'draft minutes', sandro

16:03:53 [sandro]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

16:03:53 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/29-rif-minutes.html sandro

16:03:57 [MichaelKifer]

zakim, unmute me

16:03:57 [Zakim]

MichaelKifer should no longer be muted

16:04:07 [csma]

ack michael

16:04:13 [sandro]

RRSAgent, make record public

16:04:20 [StellaMitchell]

gary: matching theory (as bridge) needs to be related to BLD

16:04:55 [StellaMitchell]

...bld shows how fixed interpreations are viewed in model theory

16:05:18 [StellaMitchell]

csma: but bridge is in DTB it would serve for all dialects that have operational semantics

16:05:39 [StellaMitchell]

mk: I'm not sure that every dialect that doesn't have MT semantics will need the same bridge

16:06:15 [MichaelKifer]

q-

16:06:19 [StellaMitchell]

gary: we need see if DTB can be generalized to work for both PRD and BLD

16:07:10 [StellaMitchell]

csma: yes, anything specific to PRD should be in PRD, but common things should be described in DTB in a way that works for both (and for future dialects)

16:07:55 [StellaMitchell]

mk: I thik the current description is fairly applicable to PRD

16:08:01 [AxelPolleres]

if you implement the built-ins (in an operational way... namely e.g. calling an xqath/xquery compliant library, you do get results that are compliant with the semantics). I have to admit that I still owe a proper review of PRD.

16:08:21 [StellaMitchell]

s/thik/think/

16:08:44 [AxelPolleres]

+1 to mk

16:08:48 [StellaMitchell]

mk: don't have to make big changes, just change the way you talk about it

16:08:52 [StellaMitchell]

csma: I see your point

16:10:04 [StellaMitchell]

csma: can you post this to the list, about grounding, etc?

16:10:20 [StellaMitchell]

mk: I was thinking of extending FLD so it would cover PRD

16:10:31 [StellaMitchell]

gary: it just provides a model for the expressions, not the rules

16:12:01 [Hassan]

I agree with Gary - there seems to be no issue w/ regards to PRD expressions comply with BLD's semantics

16:12:20 [csma]

action: Michael to provide a draft of how PRD expressions comply with FLD semantics

16:12:20 [trackbot]

Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Michael

16:12:20 [trackbot]

Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. mkifer, msintek, merdmann)

16:12:45 [csma]

action: mkifer to provide a draft of how PRD expressions comply with FLD semantics

16:12:45 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-546 - Provide a draft of how PRD expressions comply with FLD semantics [on Michael Kifer - due 2008-08-05].

16:13:02 [MichaelKifer]

zakim, mute me

16:13:02 [Zakim]

MichaelKifer should now be muted

16:13:03 [StellaMitchell]

Topic: AOB

16:13:12 [Hassan]

+1

16:13:17 [AxelPolleres]

+1

16:13:17 [GaryHallmark]

+1

16:13:18 [StellaMitchell]

csma: propose to adjourn

16:13:24 [MichaelKifer]

+1

16:13:30 [Zakim]

-Gary_Hallmark

16:13:31 [Zakim]

-Hassan_Ait-Kaci

16:13:35 [Zakim]

-DaveReynolds

16:13:38 [Zakim]

-Harold

16:13:39 [Zakim]

-MichaelKifer

16:13:39 [Zakim]

-[IBM]

16:13:41 [Zakim]

-AxelPolleres

16:13:45 [csma]

rrsagent, make log public

16:14:24 [csma]

Regrets: Sandro Hawke ChrisWelty MohamedZergaoui AdrianPaschke

16:14:31 [csma]

zakim, list attendees

16:14:31 [Zakim]

As of this point the attendees have been josb, Dave_Reynolds, Hassan_Ait-Kaci, csma, AxelPolleres, [IBM], Gary_Hallmark, DaveReynolds, StellaMitchell, MichaelKifer, Harold

16:14:40 [csma]

rrsagent, make minutes

16:14:40 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/29-rif-minutes.html csma

16:15:13 [csma]

zakim, who is on the phone?

16:15:13 [Zakim]

On the phone I see StellaMitchell (muted), csma

16:15:17 [StellaMitchell]

zakim, unmute mje

16:15:17 [Zakim]

sorry, StellaMitchell, I do not know which phone connection belongs to mje

16:15:24 [StellaMitchell]

zakim, unmute me

16:15:24 [Zakim]

StellaMitchell should no longer be muted

16:15:32 [sandro]

csma, it looks like I should go ahead and start to turn the publishing crank.

16:21:16 [Zakim]

-StellaMitchell

16:21:18 [Zakim]

-csma

16:21:18 [Zakim]

SW_RIF()11:00AM has ended

16:21:19 [Zakim]

Attendees were josb, Dave_Reynolds, Hassan_Ait-Kaci, csma, AxelPolleres, [IBM], Gary_Hallmark, DaveReynolds, StellaMitchell, MichaelKifer, Harold

16:21:34 [csma]

sandro, can we talk (now or later)?

16:21:48 [csma]

There are a few things I'd like to discuss with you

16:21:56 [csma]

and that would be easier by phone

16:30:10 [csma]

Re the publishing crank: MK has still to do some corrections for the HTML in BLD and FLD (he was validating on your snapshots :-)

16:31:18 [csma]

He will send me an email as soon as BLD and FLD validate (or any remaining HTML problems are resolved)

17:23:39 [csma]

Sandro?

17:23:53 [csma]

Do I need to do something, re the publications?

17:24:08 [csma]

And/or can I help in any way?

18:04:39 [sandro]

Um, help me think about / write some SOTD text? That's the only non-mechanical thing, I think.

18:04:45 [sandro]

csma,

18:05:35 [sandro]

What meta-information do people want/need to know, that's not in the docs itself.....?

18:07:30 [sandro]

Including explaining how DTB came out of BLD.

18:07:42 [sandro]

We never did write that Overview web page. :-(

18:17:56 [Zakim]

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