IRC log of bpwg on 2008-07-29

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Zakim, this will be BPWG

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ok, trackbot; I see MWI_BPWG(CTTF)10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes

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Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 29 July 2008

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Chair: francois

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-ct/2008Jul/0040.html

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Regrets: Aaron

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MWI_BPWG(CTTF)10:00AM has now started

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+rob

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+Francois

14:03:31 [jo]

zakim, code?

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the conference code is 2283 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jo

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Regrets+ Bryan

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+??P20

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zakim, ??p20 is me

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+jo; got it

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+SeanP

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scribe: Jo

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Topic: Example Transformations

14:09:21 [jo]

fd: thanx for the updated doc, jo updated the text in the appendices but didn't follow the actions exactly

14:09:28 [francois]

ACTION-815?

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ACTION-815 -- Andrew Swainston to write some text for CT Appendix B.4 -- due 2008-07-29 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/815

14:09:37 [jo]

rob: let's just close the actions then

14:09:39 [francois]

Close ACTION-815

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ACTION-815 Write some text for CT Appendix B.4 closed

14:09:43 [francois]

ACTION-816?

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ACTION-816 -- Sean Patterson to write some text for CT Appendix B.2 -- due 2008-07-29 -- PENDINGREVIEW

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http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/816

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Close ACTION-816

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ACTION-816 Write some text for CT Appendix B.2 closed

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ACTION-817?

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ACTION-817 -- Robert Finean to write some text for CT Appendix B.5 -- due 2008-07-29 -- PENDINGREVIEW

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http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/817

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Close ACTION-817

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ACTION-817 Write some text for CT Appendix B.5 closed

14:10:04 [francois]

ACTION-818?

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ACTION-818 -- François Daoust to write some text for CT Appendix B.3 -- due 2008-07-29 -- PENDINGREVIEW

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http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/818

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Close ACTION-818

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ACTION-818 Write some text for CT Appendix B.3 closed

14:10:40 [jo]

fd: probably could do with more examples but that can wait till after LC

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topic: HTTPS link re-writing

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-> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/CT/editors-drafts/Guidelines/080724#sec-https-link-rewriting HTTPS note

14:11:01 [francois]

ACTION-819?

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ACTION-819 -- Jo Rabin to add a note per resolution on CT 3.3.6.3 on end to end security -- due 2008-07-29 -- PENDINGREVIEW

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http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/819

14:11:14 [jo]

fd: any comments?

14:11:27 [francois]

Close ACTION-819

14:11:27 [trackbot]

ACTION-819 Add a note per resolution on CT 3.3.6.3 on end to end security closed

14:11:29 [jo]

... then let's close the action

14:11:39 [jo]

Topic: Conformance Section

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fd: this section was added in the latest draft based on text by me - a minor comment is that we use the term server and so it needs to be adjusted

14:12:45 [SeanP]

q+

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ack SeanP

14:13:09 [jo]

... wanted to have a conformance section that follows the guidelines - two products that can claim conformance to the guidelines

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seanP: problem with the word server?

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fd: not a problem, it's just that the conformance statement says "origin server" and the statements all just say "server"

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... so it needs amendment

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... other comments?

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Topic: Other changes in last 2 drafts

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fd: jo you acknowledged the typos sean and i submitted

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-ct/2008Jul/0025.html Rev 1m announcement

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-ct/2008Jul/0035.html Rev 1n announcement

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... no other comments?

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... so let's take the resolution

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... on the remaining issues

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Topic: Allow/Disallow Lists

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PROPOSED RESOLUTION: re. ISSUE-242, allow/disallow lists fit in "heuristics of various kinds" in 4.1.5.2. Do not mention allow/disallow lists explicitly on the grounds that we do not want to prescribe how a CT-proxy works internally.

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fd: ref ISSUE-242

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+1

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+1

14:16:26 [rob]

+1

14:16:38 [SeanP]

+1

14:16:41 [jo]

RESOLUTION: re. ISSUE-242, allow/disallow lists fit in "heuristics of various kinds" in 4.1.5.2. Do not mention allow/disallow lists explicitly on the grounds that we do not want to prescribe how a CT-proxy works internally.

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Topic: Persistent Expression of User Preferences

14:17:08 [francois]

PROPOSED RESOLUTION: re. ISSUE-242, mention Administrative arrangements as out of scope in a non-normative appendix

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+1

14:17:25 [SeanP]

+1

14:17:27 [francois]

+1

14:17:29 [rob]

+1

14:17:32 [jo]

RESOLUTION: re. ISSUE-242, mention Administrative arrangements as out of scope in a non-normative appendix

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Close ISSUE-242

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Topic: Moving to Last Call

14:18:09 [francois]

PROPOSED RESOLUTION: the CT TF resolves to ask the main body of the Best Practices Working to publish revision 1n of the Content Transformation Guidelines as a Last Call Working Draft

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q+

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ack jo

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jo: I'll attend to the typos noted and produce a draft 1o later today or early tomorrow

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PROPOSED RESOLUTION: the CT TF resolves to ask the main body of the Best Practices Working to publish revision 1n of the Content Transformation Guidelines amended based on typos raised by Sean and Francois as a Last Call Working Draft

14:19:23 [jo]

PROPOSED RESOLUTION: the CT TF resolves to ask the main body of the Best Practices Working to publish revision 1o (typos corrected version of 1n) of the Content Transformation Guidelines as a Last Call Working Draft

14:19:31 [rob]

+1

14:19:33 [francois]

+1

14:19:36 [SeanP]

+1

14:19:37 [jo]

+1

14:19:46 [jo]

RESOLUTION: the CT TF resolves to ask the main body of the Best Practices Working to publish revision 1o (typos corrected version of 1n) of the Content Transformation Guidelines as a Last Call Working Draft

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[Sounds of wild cheering]

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-> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/products/12 remaining opened actions

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Topic: Outstanding Actions

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fd: [runs quickly through outstanding actions]

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ACTION-811?

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ACTION-811 -- François Daoust to send a summary of the pagination note (3.1.4) to the mailing-list -- due 2008-07-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW

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http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/811

14:21:41 [francois]

Close ACTION-811

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ACTION-811 Send a summary of the pagination note (3.1.4) to the mailing-list closed

14:21:57 [jo]

Topic: Future of the TF

14:22:11 [jo]

fd: I don't have a clear view, suggest we wait

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... there will be work to done on LC Comments

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... probably the TF will have to handle

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... and need CR exit criteria

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... and the Landscape document to tidy up

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... need a test suite

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rob: don't keep the Tuesday call just because of me

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fd: we will see how it goes depending on the work of the group

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q+

14:24:23 [jo]

fd: don't need a call next week

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ack jo

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jo: I think we should request closure of TF as we have done what we were asked and the year is up, and so on

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fd: I just think that we should wait to see how many comments we get

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jo: OK, you are the boss (on this one!)

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q+

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ack SeanP

14:27:24 [jo]

fd: I am not trying to keep the TF open because I like chairing of course ...

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seanp: I think we should keep the tuesday time slot for now

14:28:11 [jo]

fd: if we find we don't have much to do then let's shut it down

14:28:34 [jo]

... cancel next week, except if we get anything back from the WG

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... plus no call on the the 12 and 19 August

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+1 to no calls

14:29:04 [francois]

PROPOSED RESOLUTION: no call on 5/12/19 August

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+1

14:29:09 [jo]

+1

14:29:11 [SeanP]

+1

14:29:22 [jo]

RESOLUTION: no call on 5/12/19 August

14:29:45 [jo]

fd: jo, you'll announce the new draft 1o, right?

14:30:05 [jo]

jo: yes, sure

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fd: [slaps TF on the back!]

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-- Adjourned --

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-jo

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-Francois

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-rob

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-SeanP

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MWI_BPWG(CTTF)10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were rob, Francois, jo, SeanP

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/29-bpwg-minutes.html francois