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13:57:36 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be BPWG
13:57:36 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see MWI_BPWG(CTTF)10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
13:57:37 <trackbot> Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
13:57:37 <trackbot> Date: 29 July 2008
13:57:41 <francois> Chair: francois
13:57:55 <francois> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-ct/2008Jul/0040.html
13:58:02 <francois> Regrets: Aaron
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14:02:03 <Zakim> MWI_BPWG(CTTF)10:00AM has now started
14:02:09 <Zakim> +rob
14:02:39 <Zakim> +Francois
14:03:31 <jo> zakim, code?
14:03:31 <Zakim> the conference code is 2283 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jo
14:03:39 <francois> Regrets+ Bryan
14:03:52 <Zakim> +??P20
14:04:06 <jo> zakim, ??p20 is me
14:04:06 <Zakim> +jo; got it
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14:08:02 <jo> scribe: Jo
14:08:19 <jo> Topic: Example Transformations
14:09:21 <jo> fd: thanx for the updated doc, jo updated the text in the appendices but didn't follow the actions exactly
14:09:28 <francois> ACTION-815?
14:09:28 <trackbot> ACTION-815 -- Andrew Swainston to write some text for CT Appendix B.4 -- due 2008-07-29 -- OPEN
14:09:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/815
14:09:37 <jo> rob: let's just close the actions then
14:09:39 <francois> Close ACTION-815
14:09:39 <trackbot> ACTION-815 Write some text for CT Appendix B.4 closed
14:09:43 <francois> ACTION-816?
14:09:43 <trackbot> ACTION-816 -- Sean Patterson to write some text for CT Appendix B.2 -- due 2008-07-29 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:09:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/816
14:09:50 <francois> Close ACTION-816
14:09:50 <trackbot> ACTION-816 Write some text for CT Appendix B.2 closed
14:09:53 <francois> ACTION-817?
14:09:53 <trackbot> ACTION-817 -- Robert Finean to write some text for CT Appendix B.5 -- due 2008-07-29 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:09:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/817
14:09:57 <francois> Close ACTION-817
14:09:57 <trackbot> ACTION-817 Write some text for CT Appendix B.5 closed
14:10:04 <francois> ACTION-818?
14:10:04 <trackbot> ACTION-818 -- François Daoust to write some text for CT Appendix B.3 -- due 2008-07-29 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:10:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/818
14:10:07 <francois> Close ACTION-818
14:10:07 <trackbot> ACTION-818 Write some text for CT Appendix B.3 closed
14:10:40 <jo> fd: probably could do with more examples but that can wait till after LC
14:10:51 <jo> topic: HTTPS link re-writing
14:10:54 <francois> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/CT/editors-drafts/Guidelines/080724#sec-https-link-rewriting HTTPS note
14:11:01 <francois> ACTION-819?
14:11:02 <trackbot> ACTION-819 -- Jo Rabin to add a note per resolution on CT 3.3.6.3 on end to end security -- due 2008-07-29 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:11:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/819
14:11:14 <jo> fd: any comments? 
14:11:27 <francois> Close ACTION-819
14:11:27 <trackbot> ACTION-819 Add a note per resolution on CT 3.3.6.3 on end to end security closed
14:11:29 <jo> ... then let's close the action
14:11:39 <jo> Topic: Conformance Section
14:12:17 <jo> fd: this section was added in the latest draft based on text by me - a minor comment is that we use the term server and so it needs to be adjusted
14:12:45 <SeanP> q+
14:13:06 <francois> ack SeanP 
14:13:09 <jo> ... wanted to have a conformance section that follows the guidelines - two products that can claim conformance to the guidelines
14:13:22 <jo> seanP: problem with the word server?
14:13:51 <jo> fd: not a problem, it's just that the conformance statement says "origin server" and the statements all just say "server"
14:13:59 <jo> ... so it needs amendment
14:14:14 <jo> ... other comments?
14:14:29 <jo> Topic: Other changes in last 2 drafts
14:14:47 <jo> fd: jo you acknowledged the typos sean and i submitted
14:14:58 <francois> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-ct/2008Jul/0025.html Rev 1m announcement
14:15:06 <francois> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-ct/2008Jul/0035.html Rev 1n announcement
14:15:17 <jo> ... no other comments?
14:15:25 <jo> ... so let's take the resolution
14:15:43 <jo> ... on the remaining issues
14:15:56 <jo> Topic: Allow/Disallow Lists
14:16:06 <francois> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: re. ISSUE-242, allow/disallow lists fit in "heuristics of various kinds" in 4.1.5.2. Do not mention allow/disallow lists explicitly on the grounds that we do not want to prescribe how a CT-proxy works internally.
14:16:18 <jo> fd: ref ISSUE-242
14:16:23 <jo> +1
14:16:26 <francois> +1
14:16:26 <rob> +1
14:16:38 <SeanP> +1
14:16:41 <jo> RESOLUTION: re. ISSUE-242, allow/disallow lists fit in "heuristics of various kinds" in 4.1.5.2. Do not mention allow/disallow lists explicitly on the grounds that we do not want to prescribe how a CT-proxy works internally.
14:17:02 <jo> Topic: Persistent Expression of User Preferences
14:17:08 <francois> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: re. ISSUE-242, mention Administrative arrangements as out of scope in a non-normative appendix
14:17:24 <jo> +1
14:17:25 <SeanP> +1
14:17:27 <francois> +1
14:17:29 <rob> +1
14:17:32 <jo> RESOLUTION: re. ISSUE-242, mention Administrative arrangements as out of scope in a non-normative appendix
14:17:50 <francois> Close ISSUE-242
14:17:58 <jo> Topic: Moving to Last Call
14:18:09 <francois> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: the CT TF resolves to ask the main body of the Best Practices Working to publish revision 1n of the Content Transformation Guidelines as a Last Call Working Draft
14:18:15 <jo> q+
14:18:22 <francois> ack jo
14:18:52 <jo> jo: I'll attend to the typos noted and produce a draft 1o later today or early tomorrow
14:19:17 <francois> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: the CT TF resolves to ask the main body of the Best Practices Working to publish revision 1n of the Content Transformation Guidelines amended based on typos raised by Sean and Francois as a Last Call Working Draft
14:19:23 <jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: the CT TF resolves to ask the main body of the Best Practices Working to publish revision 1o (typos corrected version of 1n) of the Content Transformation Guidelines as a Last Call Working Draft
14:19:31 <rob> +1
14:19:33 <francois> +1
14:19:36 <SeanP> +1
14:19:37 <jo> +1
14:19:46 <jo> RESOLUTION: the CT TF resolves to ask the main body of the Best Practices Working to publish revision 1o (typos corrected version of 1n) of the Content Transformation Guidelines as a Last Call Working Draft
14:19:55 <jo> [Sounds of wild cheering]
14:20:10 <francois> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/products/12 remaining opened actions
14:20:20 <jo> Topic: Outstanding Actions
14:21:17 <jo> fd: [runs quickly through outstanding actions]
14:21:25 <francois> ACTION-811?
14:21:26 <trackbot> ACTION-811 -- François Daoust to send a summary of the pagination note (3.1.4) to the mailing-list -- due 2008-07-22 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:21:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/811
14:21:41 <francois> Close ACTION-811
14:21:41 <trackbot> ACTION-811 Send a summary of the pagination note (3.1.4) to the mailing-list closed
14:21:57 <jo> Topic: Future of the TF
14:22:11 <jo> fd: I don't have a clear view, suggest we wait
14:22:23 <jo> ... there will be work to done on LC Comments
14:22:35 <jo> ... probably the TF will have to handle
14:23:01 <jo> ... and need CR exit criteria
14:23:13 <jo> ... and the Landscape document to tidy up
14:23:21 <jo> ... need a test suite
14:23:59 <jo> rob: don't keep the Tuesday call just because of me
14:24:13 <jo> fd: we will see how it goes depending on the work of the group
14:24:15 <jo> q+
14:24:23 <jo> fd: don't need a call next week
14:24:24 <francois> ack jo 
14:25:32 <jo> jo: I think we should request closure of TF as we have done what we were asked and the year is up, and so on
14:25:48 <jo> fd: I just think that we should wait to see how many comments we get
14:25:59 <jo> jo: OK, you are the boss (on this one!)
14:26:56 <SeanP> q+
14:27:02 <francois> ack SeanP 
14:27:24 <jo> fd: I am not trying to keep the TF open because I like chairing of course ...
14:27:39 <jo> seanp: I think we should keep the tuesday time slot for now
14:28:11 <jo> fd: if we find we don't have much to do then let's shut it down
14:28:34 <jo> ... cancel next week, except if we get anything back from the WG
14:28:51 <jo> ... plus no call on the the 12 and 19 August
14:28:58 <jo> +1 to no calls
14:29:04 <francois> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: no call on 5/12/19 August
14:29:08 <francois> +1
14:29:09 <jo> +1
14:29:11 <SeanP> +1
14:29:22 <jo> RESOLUTION: no call on 5/12/19 August
14:29:45 <jo> fd: jo, you'll announce the new draft 1o, right?
14:30:05 <jo> jo: yes, sure
14:30:36 <jo> fd: [slaps TF on the back!]
14:30:52 <jo> -- Adjourned --
14:31:02 <Zakim> -jo
14:31:06 <Zakim> -Francois
14:31:07 <Zakim> -rob
14:31:07 <Zakim> -SeanP
14:31:09 <Zakim> MWI_BPWG(CTTF)10:00AM has ended
14:31:10 <Zakim> Attendees were rob, Francois, jo, SeanP
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14:31:32 <francois> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:31:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/29-bpwg-minutes.html francois