IRC log of mw4d on 2008-07-28

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11:49:31 [steph]
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zakim, this will be mw4d
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ok, steph; I see UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
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zakim, code ?
11:49:53 [Zakim]
the conference code is 6493 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), steph
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UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM has now started
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+steph
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Meeting: MW4D IG bi-monthly meeting
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2008Jul/0030.html
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Chair: Stephane
11:57:43 [Zakim]
+ +41.22.770.aaaa
11:58:05 [steph]
zakim, aaaa is Jacob
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+Jacob; got it
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+??P2
12:00:28 [steph]
zakim, p2 is ken
12:00:28 [Zakim]
sorry, steph, I do not recognize a party named 'p2'
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zakim, ??p2 is ken
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+ken; got it
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+??P3
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zakim, ??P3 is Jeff
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+Jeff; got it
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12:04:30 [steph]
hi Jeffs
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hello
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zakim, who is on telephone
12:04:40 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'who is on telephone', jeffs
12:04:50 [jeffs]
zakim, who
12:04:50 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'who', jeffs
12:05:59 [jeffs]
cannot recall zakin cmd to check phone connections
12:06:07 [steph]
zakim, who is on the phone
12:06:07 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'who is on the phone', steph
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zakim, who is on the phone ?
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On the phone I see steph, Jacob, ken, Jeff
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tnx
12:07:10 [jeffs]
am I listed by Zakim at "Jeff"?? nick is "jeffs", number is +1-585-475-7315
12:07:32 [steph]
zakim, Jeff is Jeffs
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+Jeffs; got it
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tnx
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+ +1.509.432.aabb
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zakim, aabb is Bill
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+Bill; got it
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Scribe: Stephane
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Stephane: at each meeting, we will approve the last meeting minutes
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Stephane: got a request to put full name and affiliation of participants
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will do that
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approve them
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approve them
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ACTION: steph to publish last meeting m inutes and update participants name before
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RESOLUTION: minutes of last meeting approved
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+1
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Topic: Actions
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Stephane to send detailed info about IRC
12:14:07 [steph]
Stephane: done http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/teleconference.html
12:14:15 [bgillis]
IRC action summary very helpful thankyou
12:14:23 [steph]
Stephane to summarize framework discussion on hte mailing-list
12:14:49 [steph]
Stephane: Done http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2008Jul/0017.html
12:15:04 [steph]
Stephane to initiate discussion about Wiki usage on the mailing list
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Stephane: pending
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Jacob: place to have a consolidated view of the email
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Stephane: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/
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public archives
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view by author/thread/subject/dates
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sorted by month
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Topic: introduction
12:19:17 [jeffs]
some folks may find discussions on mobile devices useful at http://chw.rit.edu/blog/
12:19:28 [steph]
Jacob: working at IATA in Geneva
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interest in the group: mobile for development
12:20:00 [steph]
specific interest in developmnet, will move in this domain soon
12:20:12 [steph]
how to bring development is of interest
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that's why i'm joining, and hope to contribute
12:21:09 [steph]
Ken: interest in mobile for development since early 2003
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started with conservation and charity
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kiwanja.net
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interested in tools for ngo/non-profit in dev. countries
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small scales
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focus on grass-root/non-profit access to mobile for them to work better
12:22:54 [steph]
Topic: format of the framework/vision statements
12:24:33 [bgillis]
Is there an updated version of document online, or the same document you originally sent?
12:24:39 [jeffs]
is anyone who is actually a citizen & resident of a developing-world country now on this mtg?
12:24:39 [steph]
not yet
12:25:53 [jeffs]
if not, suggest high priority we find ways to engage such ppl here
12:26:31 [steph]
Stephane: explain the diff between just a web page or a w3c document
12:26:38 [Zakim]
+ +1.312.476.aacc
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Jocab: didn't get the diff
12:27:21 [steph]
zakim, aacc is renjish
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+renjish; got it
12:28:07 [jeffs]
suggest high priority we find ways to engage more citizens of developing world in these conversations
12:28:21 [steph]
Renjish: working in mumbai india
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not really representing the company
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managing technology service labs
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in the area of ???
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looking at platforms
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(delivery platform)
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background in voice technology and business
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interested on how to remove some challenges about penetration of mobile
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uri?
12:30:00 [steph]
uri ?
12:30:52 [jeffs]
is there a URI for renjish? company, personal, etc
12:31:02 [steph]
no
12:31:08 [steph]
we are not managing rpfiles
12:32:02 [steph]
http://www.w3.org/TR/
12:34:51 [steph]
bill: for now, start with what is the most accessible for people, perhaps wiki
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and then move it for official w3c publicaiton later
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more accesssible for people without a w3c background
12:35:44 [jeffs]
agree w Bill, more visibility & accessibility helps bring in more people
12:38:04 [steph]
bill: make it the easiest way for people to contribute
12:38:17 [steph]
i don't know if a wiki would be a barrier or not
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Jacob: important to moderate the comments
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through an editor
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ACTION: Steph to make the current framework document on the wiki
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Topic: Framework document
12:41:59 [steph]
Stephane: send a first draft: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2008Jul/0017.html
12:43:15 [jeffs]
structure as-is okay, can be modified as we go along & find what we actually need
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q+
12:44:19 [bgillis]
Agree with Jeff..structure is fine for now
12:44:31 [steph]
renjish: high level structure may be discussed later
12:45:07 [steph]
stephane: vision section
12:45:59 [steph]
thanks a lot jeffs
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+1
12:49:06 [steph]
jacob: 2 options: expanding mobile telephony is important, but focusing on the services is also important
12:49:21 [steph]
depending on the time
12:49:51 [steph]
Renjish: we should look at the challenges of extending mobile penetration
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we can provide solution here
12:54:21 [steph]
Stephane: practically i believe we should look at exploiting hte full potential of mobile phones when available
12:54:30 [steph]
Bill: +1.
12:54:44 [steph]
also not only a matter of available content
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or apps/services
12:55:09 [jeffs]
think next version of "vision statement" also needs to refer to engaging ppl from developing world to help define what is needed
12:55:22 [steph]
one piece, but many others barriers, but not
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s/but not/ related to web access/
12:56:01 [steph]
zakim, who is making noise
12:56:01 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'who is making noise', steph
12:56:03 [steph]
zakim, who is making noise ?
12:56:05 [jeffs]
zakim, who is noise
12:56:05 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'who is noise', jeffs
12:56:15 [Zakim]
steph, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: steph (90%), Jacob (23%), renjish (28%)
12:58:01 [steph]
jeffs: we need to listen to folks who are in the target areas
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to get what are their views
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+1
12:59:41 [steph]
Jeffs: put that at the very early stage of the document
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Ken: who are we talking to ?
13:00:04 [steph]
?
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Jeffs: agree,
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Stephane: the discussions will take place on the "stakeholder" session
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but agree ot put tha ton the vision
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Topic: Next meeting
13:03:24 [jeffs]
I am avail in August, do not want us to lose momentum through moving meetings around or delaying next mtg
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Stephane: keep the two meetings ?
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Jeffs: keep on track
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-ken
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-steph
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-renjish
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-Bill
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-Jacob
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-Jeffs
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UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM has ended
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Attendees were steph, +41.22.770.aaaa, Jacob, ken, Jeffs, +1.509.432.aabb, Bill, +1.312.476.aacc, renjish
13:05:37 [steph]
rrsagent, make log public
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/28-mw4d-minutes.html steph