06:34:10 RRSAgent has joined #mw4d 06:34:10 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/07/28-mw4d-irc 06:34:16 Zakim has joined #mw4d 11:49:31 steph has joined #mw4d 11:49:40 zakim, this will be mw4d 11:49:40 ok, steph; I see UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes 11:49:53 zakim, code ? 11:49:53 the conference code is 6493 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), steph 11:50:16 UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM has now started 11:50:23 +steph 11:50:44 Meeting: MW4D IG bi-monthly meeting 11:51:00 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2008Jul/0030.html 11:51:06 Chair: Stephane 11:57:43 + +41.22.770.aaaa 11:58:05 zakim, aaaa is Jacob 11:58:05 +Jacob; got it 12:00:13 +??P2 12:00:28 zakim, p2 is ken 12:00:28 sorry, steph, I do not recognize a party named 'p2' 12:00:33 zakim, ??p2 is ken 12:00:33 +ken; got it 12:02:42 +??P3 12:02:58 zakim, ??P3 is Jeff 12:02:58 +Jeff; got it 12:04:25 jeffs has joined #mw4d 12:04:30 hi Jeffs 12:04:32 hello 12:04:40 zakim, who is on telephone 12:04:40 I don't understand 'who is on telephone', jeffs 12:04:50 zakim, who 12:04:50 I don't understand 'who', jeffs 12:05:59 cannot recall zakin cmd to check phone connections 12:06:07 zakim, who is on the phone 12:06:07 I don't understand 'who is on the phone', steph 12:06:09 zakim, who is on the phone ? 12:06:09 On the phone I see steph, Jacob, ken, Jeff 12:06:14 tnx 12:07:10 am I listed by Zakim at "Jeff"?? nick is "jeffs", number is +1-585-475-7315 12:07:32 zakim, Jeff is Jeffs 12:07:32 +Jeffs; got it 12:07:36 tnx 12:08:41 + +1.509.432.aabb 12:08:54 zakim, aabb is Bill 12:08:54 +Bill; got it 12:10:16 Scribe: Stephane 12:11:21 Stephane: at each meeting, we will approve the last meeting minutes 12:11:29 bgillis has joined #mw4d 12:12:00 Stephane: got a request to put full name and affiliation of participants 12:12:08 will do that 12:12:10 approve them 12:12:27 approve them 12:12:33 ACTION: steph to publish last meeting m inutes and update participants name before 12:12:46 RESOLUTION: minutes of last meeting approved 12:12:54 +1 12:13:26 Topic: Actions 12:13:52 Stephane to send detailed info about IRC 12:14:07 Stephane: done http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/teleconference.html 12:14:15 IRC action summary very helpful thankyou 12:14:23 Stephane to summarize framework discussion on hte mailing-list 12:14:49 Stephane: Done http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2008Jul/0017.html 12:15:04 Stephane to initiate discussion about Wiki usage on the mailing list 12:15:17 Stephane: pending 12:16:47 Jacob: place to have a consolidated view of the email 12:17:17 Stephane: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/ 12:17:21 public archives 12:18:18 view by author/thread/subject/dates 12:18:23 sorted by month 12:18:30 Topic: introduction 12:19:17 some folks may find discussions on mobile devices useful at http://chw.rit.edu/blog/ 12:19:28 Jacob: working at IATA in Geneva 12:19:47 interest in the group: mobile for development 12:20:00 specific interest in developmnet, will move in this domain soon 12:20:12 how to bring development is of interest 12:20:25 that's why i'm joining, and hope to contribute 12:21:09 Ken: interest in mobile for development since early 2003 12:21:22 started with conservation and charity 12:21:32 kiwanja.net 12:21:57 interested in tools for ngo/non-profit in dev. countries 12:22:01 small scales 12:22:20 focus on grass-root/non-profit access to mobile for them to work better 12:22:54 Topic: format of the framework/vision statements 12:24:33 Is there an updated version of document online, or the same document you originally sent? 12:24:39 is anyone who is actually a citizen & resident of a developing-world country now on this mtg? 12:24:39 not yet 12:25:53 if not, suggest high priority we find ways to engage such ppl here 12:26:31 Stephane: explain the diff between just a web page or a w3c document 12:26:38 + +1.312.476.aacc 12:26:59 Jocab: didn't get the diff 12:27:21 zakim, aacc is renjish 12:27:21 +renjish; got it 12:28:07 suggest high priority we find ways to engage more citizens of developing world in these conversations 12:28:21 Renjish: working in mumbai india 12:28:27 not really representing the company 12:28:36 managing technology service labs 12:28:44 in the area of ??? 12:28:53 looking at platforms 12:29:08 (delivery platform) 12:29:19 background in voice technology and business 12:29:40 interested on how to remove some challenges about penetration of mobile 12:29:54 uri? 12:30:00 uri ? 12:30:52 is there a URI for renjish? company, personal, etc 12:31:02 no 12:31:08 we are not managing rpfiles 12:32:02 http://www.w3.org/TR/ 12:34:51 bill: for now, start with what is the most accessible for people, perhaps wiki 12:35:08 and then move it for official w3c publicaiton later 12:35:20 more accesssible for people without a w3c background 12:35:44 agree w Bill, more visibility & accessibility helps bring in more people 12:38:04 bill: make it the easiest way for people to contribute 12:38:17 i don't know if a wiki would be a barrier or not 12:39:16 Jacob: important to moderate the comments 12:39:33 through an editor 12:41:08 ACTION: Steph to make the current framework document on the wiki 12:41:26 Topic: Framework document 12:41:59 Stephane: send a first draft: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2008Jul/0017.html 12:43:15 structure as-is okay, can be modified as we go along & find what we actually need 12:43:24 q+ 12:44:19 Agree with Jeff..structure is fine for now 12:44:31 renjish: high level structure may be discussed later 12:45:07 stephane: vision section 12:45:59 thanks a lot jeffs 12:47:53 +1 12:49:06 jacob: 2 options: expanding mobile telephony is important, but focusing on the services is also important 12:49:21 depending on the time 12:49:51 Renjish: we should look at the challenges of extending mobile penetration 12:49:57 we can provide solution here 12:54:21 Stephane: practically i believe we should look at exploiting hte full potential of mobile phones when available 12:54:30 Bill: +1. 12:54:44 also not only a matter of available content 12:54:49 or apps/services 12:55:09 think next version of "vision statement" also needs to refer to engaging ppl from developing world to help define what is needed 12:55:22 one piece, but many others barriers, but not 12:55:37 s/but not/ related to web access/ 12:56:01 zakim, who is making noise 12:56:01 I don't understand 'who is making noise', steph 12:56:03 zakim, who is making noise ? 12:56:05 zakim, who is noise 12:56:05 I don't understand 'who is noise', jeffs 12:56:15 steph, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: steph (90%), Jacob (23%), renjish (28%) 12:58:01 jeffs: we need to listen to folks who are in the target areas 12:58:12 to get what are their views 12:58:25 +1 12:59:41 Jeffs: put that at the very early stage of the document 12:59:57 Ken: who are we talking to ? 13:00:02 who are those people 13:00:04 ? 13:00:10 Jeffs: agree, 13:01:25 Stephane: the discussions will take place on the "stakeholder" session 13:01:32 but agree ot put tha ton the vision 13:02:16 Topic: Next meeting 13:03:24 I am avail in August, do not want us to lose momentum through moving meetings around or delaying next mtg 13:03:50 Stephane: keep the two meetings ? 13:03:56 Jeffs: keep on track 13:05:01 -ken 13:05:06 -steph 13:05:07 -renjish 13:05:07 -Bill 13:05:09 -Jacob 13:05:12 -Jeffs 13:05:13 UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM has ended 13:05:14 Attendees were steph, +41.22.770.aaaa, Jacob, ken, Jeffs, +1.509.432.aabb, Bill, +1.312.476.aacc, renjish 13:05:37 rrsagent, make log public 13:05:41 rrsagent, make minutes 13:05:41 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/28-mw4d-minutes.html steph