IRC log of mw4d on 2008-07-28
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/07/28-mw4d-irc
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- 11:49:31 [steph]
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- zakim, this will be mw4d
- 11:49:40 [Zakim]
- ok, steph; I see UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
- 11:49:53 [steph]
- zakim, code ?
- 11:49:53 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 6493 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), steph
- 11:50:16 [Zakim]
- UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM has now started
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- +steph
- 11:50:44 [steph]
- Meeting: MW4D IG bi-monthly meeting
- 11:51:00 [steph]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2008Jul/0030.html
- 11:51:06 [steph]
- Chair: Stephane
- 11:57:43 [Zakim]
- + +41.22.770.aaaa
- 11:58:05 [steph]
- zakim, aaaa is Jacob
- 11:58:05 [Zakim]
- +Jacob; got it
- 12:00:13 [Zakim]
- +??P2
- 12:00:28 [steph]
- zakim, p2 is ken
- 12:00:28 [Zakim]
- sorry, steph, I do not recognize a party named 'p2'
- 12:00:33 [steph]
- zakim, ??p2 is ken
- 12:00:33 [Zakim]
- +ken; got it
- 12:02:42 [Zakim]
- +??P3
- 12:02:58 [steph]
- zakim, ??P3 is Jeff
- 12:02:58 [Zakim]
- +Jeff; got it
- 12:04:25 [jeffs]
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- 12:04:30 [steph]
- hi Jeffs
- 12:04:32 [jeffs]
- hello
- 12:04:40 [jeffs]
- zakim, who is on telephone
- 12:04:40 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who is on telephone', jeffs
- 12:04:50 [jeffs]
- zakim, who
- 12:04:50 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who', jeffs
- 12:05:59 [jeffs]
- cannot recall zakin cmd to check phone connections
- 12:06:07 [steph]
- zakim, who is on the phone
- 12:06:07 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who is on the phone', steph
- 12:06:09 [steph]
- zakim, who is on the phone ?
- 12:06:09 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see steph, Jacob, ken, Jeff
- 12:06:14 [jeffs]
- tnx
- 12:07:10 [jeffs]
- am I listed by Zakim at "Jeff"?? nick is "jeffs", number is +1-585-475-7315
- 12:07:32 [steph]
- zakim, Jeff is Jeffs
- 12:07:32 [Zakim]
- +Jeffs; got it
- 12:07:36 [jeffs]
- tnx
- 12:08:41 [Zakim]
- + +1.509.432.aabb
- 12:08:54 [steph]
- zakim, aabb is Bill
- 12:08:54 [Zakim]
- +Bill; got it
- 12:10:16 [steph]
- Scribe: Stephane
- 12:11:21 [steph]
- Stephane: at each meeting, we will approve the last meeting minutes
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- 12:12:00 [steph]
- Stephane: got a request to put full name and affiliation of participants
- 12:12:08 [steph]
- will do that
- 12:12:10 [jeffs]
- approve them
- 12:12:27 [bgillis]
- approve them
- 12:12:33 [steph]
- ACTION: steph to publish last meeting m inutes and update participants name before
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- RESOLUTION: minutes of last meeting approved
- 12:12:54 [jeffs]
- +1
- 12:13:26 [steph]
- Topic: Actions
- 12:13:52 [steph]
- Stephane to send detailed info about IRC
- 12:14:07 [steph]
- Stephane: done http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/teleconference.html
- 12:14:15 [bgillis]
- IRC action summary very helpful thankyou
- 12:14:23 [steph]
- Stephane to summarize framework discussion on hte mailing-list
- 12:14:49 [steph]
- Stephane: Done http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2008Jul/0017.html
- 12:15:04 [steph]
- Stephane to initiate discussion about Wiki usage on the mailing list
- 12:15:17 [steph]
- Stephane: pending
- 12:16:47 [steph]
- Jacob: place to have a consolidated view of the email
- 12:17:17 [steph]
- Stephane: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/
- 12:17:21 [steph]
- public archives
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- view by author/thread/subject/dates
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- sorted by month
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- Topic: introduction
- 12:19:17 [jeffs]
- some folks may find discussions on mobile devices useful at http://chw.rit.edu/blog/
- 12:19:28 [steph]
- Jacob: working at IATA in Geneva
- 12:19:47 [steph]
- interest in the group: mobile for development
- 12:20:00 [steph]
- specific interest in developmnet, will move in this domain soon
- 12:20:12 [steph]
- how to bring development is of interest
- 12:20:25 [steph]
- that's why i'm joining, and hope to contribute
- 12:21:09 [steph]
- Ken: interest in mobile for development since early 2003
- 12:21:22 [steph]
- started with conservation and charity
- 12:21:32 [steph]
- kiwanja.net
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- interested in tools for ngo/non-profit in dev. countries
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- small scales
- 12:22:20 [steph]
- focus on grass-root/non-profit access to mobile for them to work better
- 12:22:54 [steph]
- Topic: format of the framework/vision statements
- 12:24:33 [bgillis]
- Is there an updated version of document online, or the same document you originally sent?
- 12:24:39 [jeffs]
- is anyone who is actually a citizen & resident of a developing-world country now on this mtg?
- 12:24:39 [steph]
- not yet
- 12:25:53 [jeffs]
- if not, suggest high priority we find ways to engage such ppl here
- 12:26:31 [steph]
- Stephane: explain the diff between just a web page or a w3c document
- 12:26:38 [Zakim]
- + +1.312.476.aacc
- 12:26:59 [steph]
- Jocab: didn't get the diff
- 12:27:21 [steph]
- zakim, aacc is renjish
- 12:27:21 [Zakim]
- +renjish; got it
- 12:28:07 [jeffs]
- suggest high priority we find ways to engage more citizens of developing world in these conversations
- 12:28:21 [steph]
- Renjish: working in mumbai india
- 12:28:27 [steph]
- not really representing the company
- 12:28:36 [steph]
- managing technology service labs
- 12:28:44 [steph]
- in the area of ???
- 12:28:53 [steph]
- looking at platforms
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- (delivery platform)
- 12:29:19 [steph]
- background in voice technology and business
- 12:29:40 [steph]
- interested on how to remove some challenges about penetration of mobile
- 12:29:54 [jeffs]
- uri?
- 12:30:00 [steph]
- uri ?
- 12:30:52 [jeffs]
- is there a URI for renjish? company, personal, etc
- 12:31:02 [steph]
- no
- 12:31:08 [steph]
- we are not managing rpfiles
- 12:32:02 [steph]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/
- 12:34:51 [steph]
- bill: for now, start with what is the most accessible for people, perhaps wiki
- 12:35:08 [steph]
- and then move it for official w3c publicaiton later
- 12:35:20 [steph]
- more accesssible for people without a w3c background
- 12:35:44 [jeffs]
- agree w Bill, more visibility & accessibility helps bring in more people
- 12:38:04 [steph]
- bill: make it the easiest way for people to contribute
- 12:38:17 [steph]
- i don't know if a wiki would be a barrier or not
- 12:39:16 [steph]
- Jacob: important to moderate the comments
- 12:39:33 [steph]
- through an editor
- 12:41:08 [steph]
- ACTION: Steph to make the current framework document on the wiki
- 12:41:26 [steph]
- Topic: Framework document
- 12:41:59 [steph]
- Stephane: send a first draft: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2008Jul/0017.html
- 12:43:15 [jeffs]
- structure as-is okay, can be modified as we go along & find what we actually need
- 12:43:24 [jeffs]
- q+
- 12:44:19 [bgillis]
- Agree with Jeff..structure is fine for now
- 12:44:31 [steph]
- renjish: high level structure may be discussed later
- 12:45:07 [steph]
- stephane: vision section
- 12:45:59 [steph]
- thanks a lot jeffs
- 12:47:53 [jeffs]
- +1
- 12:49:06 [steph]
- jacob: 2 options: expanding mobile telephony is important, but focusing on the services is also important
- 12:49:21 [steph]
- depending on the time
- 12:49:51 [steph]
- Renjish: we should look at the challenges of extending mobile penetration
- 12:49:57 [steph]
- we can provide solution here
- 12:54:21 [steph]
- Stephane: practically i believe we should look at exploiting hte full potential of mobile phones when available
- 12:54:30 [steph]
- Bill: +1.
- 12:54:44 [steph]
- also not only a matter of available content
- 12:54:49 [steph]
- or apps/services
- 12:55:09 [jeffs]
- think next version of "vision statement" also needs to refer to engaging ppl from developing world to help define what is needed
- 12:55:22 [steph]
- one piece, but many others barriers, but not
- 12:55:37 [steph]
- s/but not/ related to web access/
- 12:56:01 [steph]
- zakim, who is making noise
- 12:56:01 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who is making noise', steph
- 12:56:03 [steph]
- zakim, who is making noise ?
- 12:56:05 [jeffs]
- zakim, who is noise
- 12:56:05 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who is noise', jeffs
- 12:56:15 [Zakim]
- steph, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: steph (90%), Jacob (23%), renjish (28%)
- 12:58:01 [steph]
- jeffs: we need to listen to folks who are in the target areas
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- to get what are their views
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- +1
- 12:59:41 [steph]
- Jeffs: put that at the very early stage of the document
- 12:59:57 [steph]
- Ken: who are we talking to ?
- 13:00:04 [steph]
- ?
- 13:00:10 [steph]
- Jeffs: agree,
- 13:01:25 [steph]
- Stephane: the discussions will take place on the "stakeholder" session
- 13:01:32 [steph]
- but agree ot put tha ton the vision
- 13:02:16 [steph]
- Topic: Next meeting
- 13:03:24 [jeffs]
- I am avail in August, do not want us to lose momentum through moving meetings around or delaying next mtg
- 13:03:50 [steph]
- Stephane: keep the two meetings ?
- 13:03:56 [steph]
- Jeffs: keep on track
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- -ken
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- -steph
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- -renjish
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- -Bill
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- -Jacob
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- -Jeffs
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- UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were steph, +41.22.770.aaaa, Jacob, ken, Jeffs, +1.509.432.aabb, Bill, +1.312.476.aacc, renjish
- 13:05:37 [steph]
- rrsagent, make log public
- 13:05:41 [steph]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 13:05:41 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/28-mw4d-minutes.html steph