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14:54:17 <msporny> zakim, this will be SWD(RDFa)
14:54:17 <Zakim> ok, msporny; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
14:54:31 <msporny> ha :) - you scribed last time, I'll scribe this time.
14:54:42 <msporny> Scribe: Manu_Sporny
14:54:50 <msporny> ScribeNick: msporny
14:55:01 <msporny> Meeting: RDF in XHTML Task Force
14:55:10 <msporny> Chair: Ben_Adida
14:55:20 <msporny> Present: Ralph_Swick
14:55:27 <msporny> Present+ Manu_Sporny
14:55:39 <msporny> rrsagent, make log public
14:55:49 <msporny> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:55:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html msporny
14:56:12 <msporny> previous: http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-rdfa-minutes.html
14:56:48 <msporny> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jul/0087.html
14:56:57 <msporny> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:56:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html msporny
14:57:21 <msporny> Regrets: Mark_Birbeck
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15:02:11 <msporny> Present+ Shane_McCarron
15:02:16 <msporny> Present+ Ben_Adida
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15:03:38 <msporny> zakim, I am IPcaller
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15:04:00 <msporny> Regrets+ Michael_Hausenblas
15:04:26 <msporny> Regrets+ Steven_Pemberton
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15:08:30 <msporny> Present+ Jeremy_Carroll
15:08:55 <msporny> Topic: Action Items
15:09:09 <msporny> benadida: pretty short agenda today
15:09:37 <msporny> action items, implementation report, edits on the primer, HTML 4/5 thoughts
15:09:57 <msporny> benadida: we don't want to overstep our charter, all we can do is outline how it could work on the wiki
15:10:56 <benadida> ACTION: Ben to log all CR issues to tracker
15:11:10 <msporny> ACTION: Manu: Start Best Practices Section on the rdfa.info wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-rdfa-minutes.html#action16]
15:11:14 <msporny> -- continues
15:11:43 <msporny> ACTION: Shane respond to commentor for ISSUE-121 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
15:11:47 <msporny> -- continues
15:11:54 <msporny> ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
15:12:05 <msporny> -- done
15:13:59 <Ralph> PROPOSE: http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt
15:14:16 <Ralph> PROPOSE: http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa10-xslt
15:14:33 <Zakim> + +1.408.338.aabb
15:14:42 <Ralph> zakim, aabb is Jeremy
15:14:42 <Zakim> +Jeremy; got it
15:14:43 <benadida> +1 to non-dated version
15:14:54 <msporny> benadida: do we have a W3C address for the XSLT?
15:15:00 <msporny> +1 to non-dated version
15:15:30 <benadida> +1 to non-versioned, I mean.
15:15:34 <msporny> +1 to non-versioned :)
15:16:01 <msporny> RESOLVED: To use http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt as the XSLT transform URL.
15:16:20 <benadida> ACTION: Ralph to make http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt happen
15:16:32 <benadida> ACTION: Shane to update XHTML ns document to point to new XSLT URI
15:18:00 <msporny> Shane: I'm interested in follow-your-nose concept, it would be good to test this stuff.
15:18:28 <benadida> ACTION: Jeremy to demonstrate GRDDL with XHTML/RDFa once the NS URI is set up.
15:18:44 <msporny> ACTION: Ben to follow up with Elias on JavaScript test harness + EARL [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]
15:18:47 <msporny> -- done
15:18:50 <Zakim> -ShaneM
15:18:54 <msporny> ACTION: Ben to talk to Allan about CR ISSUE-122 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html#action15]
15:18:57 <msporny> -- continues
15:19:05 <msporny> ACTION: Jeremy to write up TQ's contribution for impl report and wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html#action16]
15:19:11 <msporny> -- done
15:19:29 <benadida> ACTION: Jeremy to add TQ's contribution for impl report to wiki
15:19:35 <msporny> ACTION: Manu write the perl code for Slashdot [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action03]
15:19:38 <msporny> -- continues
15:20:08 <msporny> ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]
15:20:13 <msporny> -- continues
15:20:21 <msporny> ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]
15:20:26 <msporny> -- continues
15:20:34 <msporny> ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]
15:20:35 <Zakim> +ShaneM
15:20:44 <msporny> -- continues
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15:20:52 <msporny> ACTION: Michael to rewrite and extend http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tutorials for RSS (maybe with seq) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html#action08]
15:20:54 <msporny> -- continues
15:21:00 <msporny> ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]
15:21:02 <msporny> -- continues
15:21:09 <msporny> ACTION: Shane to write home page for SPREAD. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]
15:21:26 <msporny> -- continues
15:21:41 <msporny> Topic: Implementation Report
15:21:49 <msporny> benadida: our deadline was last friday for CR
15:21:53 <msporny> benadida: We have TQ's contribution
15:22:19 <msporny> benadida: We have a couple of issues and we believe that Alan's issues are not significant, but there are editorial issues we need to deal with.
15:22:36 <msporny> Ralph: I'm sure we'll need to make editorial changes
15:22:41 <msporny> benadida: we also need to update the primer.
15:22:56 <msporny> benadida: it would be good to time it together so we publish both syntax and primer at the same time.
15:23:04 <msporny> ShaneM: disagree - update the primer immediately.
15:23:29 <msporny> ShaneM: The next time we publish, it must be PR, it's harder to do that than publish a new version of the primer.
15:23:43 <msporny> Jeremy: We can publish another CR.
15:23:49 <msporny> Ralph: but we don't really want to.
15:23:57 <msporny> Ralph: Our next document should be the final one.
15:24:09 <msporny> benadida: August is upon us, is there an issue with that?
15:24:16 <msporny> Ralph: Nobody will read it.
15:24:30 <msporny> benadida: we have to give extra time in september for people to read it when they get back.
15:25:16 <msporny> benadida: is it Michael or you Manu that have to put the implementation report together?
15:25:23 <msporny> manu: Michael has the XSLT transform.
15:25:44 <msporny> Ralph: we have to worry about the deployment workgroup schedule.
15:25:49 <msporny> benadida: isn't there a call next week?
15:26:01 <msporny> Ralph: next week, august 5th, and august 19th.
15:26:09 <msporny> benadida: Do we need reviewers for editorial changes?
15:26:18 <msporny> benadida: we need it for PR definitely.
15:26:41 <msporny> benadida: I think next week we need reviewers from the WG for PR.
15:26:46 <msporny> Ralph: When will we have a document for them?
15:26:58 <msporny> benadida: Is 2 weeks from now sufficient?
15:27:14 <msporny> benadida: Could we shoot for the 19th for approval?
15:27:23 <msporny> Ralph: very ambitious, don't think it can happen in time.
15:27:31 <msporny> benadida: What could be the issue?
15:28:20 <msporny> Ralph: Alan asked some important questions about our examples, they're editorial, but we should look at it again.
15:29:24 <msporny> Ralph: Alan believes there is some fundamental architectural issue, we believe these are editorial.
15:29:42 <msporny> Ralph: My point is, I don't know if we can resolve Issue 122 in two weeks.
15:30:07 <benadida> ACTION: Ben to tease out the more involved aspects of ISSUE-122
15:30:37 <msporny> benadida: I'd like thoughts on what we need to do on that after I send the issues out.
15:31:02 <msporny> benadida: based on what that looks like, we can give an update to the WG next week.
15:31:11 <msporny> benadida: We could shoot for Aug 19th to give them the document.
15:32:26 <msporny> benadida: we should get Mark's input before the 12th.
15:32:39 <msporny> benadida: 2008-08-19 doc ready for review.
15:32:52 <msporny> benadida: two weeks later document ready for PR.
15:33:08 <msporny> benadida: any issues with this schedule?
15:33:33 <msporny> benadida: august is going to be quiet anyway, two weeks won't make too much of a difference.
15:33:57 <msporny> Ralph: I'll be gone sept. 9-18th
15:34:25 <msporny> Ralph: if we can have all of our evidence by sept. 7th, that would be good.
15:34:35 <Ralph> s/7th/2nd/
15:35:00 <msporny> benadida: you don't like "HTML" instead of "XHTML" in the Primer?
15:35:35 <Ralph> Manu: I've pointed a couple of people at the Primer and they immediately assume they can use RDFa with HTML4
15:35:39 <Ralph> Ben: but they _can_
15:35:51 <Ralph> Manu: then I have to have a conversation about why it's OK if your document doesn't validate
15:35:55 <Ralph> ... and people don't believe this
15:36:25 <Ralph> Jeremy: add a paragraph explaining that while validation of HTML4+RDFa won't work, everything else will
15:36:39 <Ralph> Ben: I'm skeptical about those who demand validation because many of them have Web sites that don't validate
15:37:03 <Ralph> Manu: a practical reason not to encourage documents that won't validate ...
15:37:25 <Ralph> ... fuzzbot by default tries to use XHTML and if this fails it falls back to HTML+tidy
15:38:03 <Ralph> ... if people can't validate their document then fuzzbot's fallback mechanism has a side effect (via tidy) of stripping out the RDFa
15:39:02 <Ralph> Ben: if I forget a close tag, what happens?
15:39:20 <Ralph> Manu: Firefox will complain first, depending on the user's choice of mode
15:39:44 <Ralph> Ben: consider XHTML1.1+RDFa -- FireFox will recover, what will fuzzbot do?
15:40:00 <Ralph> Manu: if the document doesn't validate, fuzzbot won't find the triples
15:40:19 <Ralph> ... the issue is that tidy destroys the invalid markup
15:40:39 <Ralph> Ben: Ivan's approach is to try XHTML and if that fails then use the HTML5 DOM interface
15:40:47 <Ralph> ... this seems to work out well
15:41:00 <Ralph> Jeremy: doesn't this depend on which tidy options are used?
15:41:11 <Ralph> ... [TopQuadrant is] using jtidy with success
15:41:25 <Ralph> ... it's not the case that tidy needs to discard [the RDFa] markup
15:42:00 <Ralph> Manu: the fundamental point is that for those cases where validation really does matter, we can't encourage HTML+RDFa right now.  We can't just ignore those users
15:42:23 <Ralph> Ben: the next logical step in this work is to take up the HTML4/5+RDFa question
15:42:49 <Ralph> Shane: when Manu says 'valid', I think he really means 'well-formed'
15:42:52 <Ralph> Manu: correct
15:43:51 <Ralph> Shane: we can work with well-formed documents
15:44:39 <Ralph> Ben: it's not hard to rely on whatever the browser does in its DOM
15:44:50 <Ralph> Shane: not hard if you're writing a browser-based tool
15:45:13 <Ralph> Manu: I agree that tools should do everything they can to extract the triples
15:45:32 <Ralph> ... but it's dangerous for W3C to say "don't worry about validation"
15:45:44 <Zakim> -Jeremy
15:46:11 <Zakim> +Jeremy
15:47:22 <Ralph> Jeremy: it's not that we're _recommending_ using this markup in HTML
15:47:36 <Ralph> ... from a tool vendor's point of view it's a fact of life that there's bad HTML out there
15:48:25 <Ralph> ... we just have to work with it
15:48:43 <Ralph> ... tool vendors and browser vendors _do_ work with the bad HTML that's out there
15:49:21 <Ralph> ... it's a strength of the Web that authors don't need a lot of technical ability
15:49:30 <ShaneM> q+ about our charter
15:49:45 <ShaneM> q+ to discuss our charter
15:50:03 <Ralph> ... I'm in favor of the Primer saying "HTML" throughout
15:50:47 <msporny> benadida: shane you're on the queue
15:50:48 <Ralph> ... and that a seriously strong warning [about validation] would address the concern
15:51:17 <msporny> ShaneM: we've been chartered to work with SWD and XHTML2 to find ways to put RDF into XHTML.
15:51:21 <Ralph> Shane: our charter is only to address XHTML
15:51:24 <msporny> benadida: you're correct.
15:51:36 <msporny> benadida: this is a question we knew that was coming down the line.
15:51:54 <msporny> benadida: If we say we weren't chartered to do that, it's not a good answer.
15:51:59 <Ralph> i/Manu: I've pointed a/scribenick: ralph
15:52:10 <msporny> ShaneM: we should be championing use in HTML... we shouldn't put it in the Primer.
15:52:13 <Ralph> i/benadida: you're correct/scribenick: manu
15:52:26 <Ralph> i/benadida: you're correct/scribenick: msporny
15:52:59 <msporny> Ralph: The charter was written when we thought that there would only be XHTML.
15:53:28 <msporny> Ralph: it's not out of line for us to ask to re-open thinking about modularizing RDFa to HTML 4, XHTML and HTML 5
15:54:10 <msporny> Ralph: We could add something stating that XHTML is a kind of HTML for the purposes of the Primer.
15:54:23 <msporny> benadida: would it be acceptable if we described XHTML as a subclass as HTML?
15:54:26 <msporny> ShaneM: No.
15:54:49 <msporny> ShaneM: nobody would say that XHTML is a form of HTML.
15:55:16 <msporny> Ralph: I think Tim might use language like "There is an HTML family, of which XHTML, HTML4 and HTML5 are all members of this family."
15:55:32 <msporny> benadida: Don't want cognitive load of XHTML to be on the reader's mind.
15:56:24 <Ralph> Manu: it's bad practice to talk about things that _might_ happen in the future
15:56:37 <Ralph> s/talk/talk in the document
15:57:21 <Ralph> ... talk about things that do work today
15:57:34 <Ralph> ... we should be describing best practices
15:57:55 <msporny> ShaneM: Let me tell you who does care - the W3C.
15:58:00 <msporny> ShaneM: We can't take that position.
15:58:10 <Ralph> Shane: we can't have a W3C document that says "put whatever you want in an HTML document"
15:58:28 <msporny> scribenick: msporny
15:59:03 <msporny> Ralph: I don't know what the view is on that - re: Tim - how does validation work, how should it work?
15:59:18 <msporny> Ralph: Jeremy has a very pragmatic approach to this.
15:59:27 <msporny> Ralph: We like to define stuff that has predictable results for everyone.
16:00:02 <msporny> Ralph: People like having standards so they can point to bugs in software and ask vendors to fix those bugs.
16:00:14 <msporny> Ralph: The XML community took a hard stance when you get a non-well formed document.
16:00:40 <msporny> Ralph: There is tension in that community because of that stance.
16:00:56 <msporny> Ralph: tool vendors take a very pragmatic approach.
16:01:14 <msporny> Ralph: The question is, what can we say in the document to allow users some flexibility?
16:02:37 <msporny> Jeremy: We could change it all to XHTML and put in a paragraph talking about it being useful in HTML4.
16:03:06 <msporny> Ralph: Those that care about valid documents will point to the Primer and use it against us, those that don't care about validation won't care.
16:03:40 <msporny> benadida: is that okay with you Shane?
16:04:01 <msporny> ShaneM: I think so.
16:04:29 <msporny> ShaneM: I'm more interested in HTML4 and RDFa right now, I just don't want to mislead the readers of the Primer.
16:05:21 <msporny> Ralph: We believe this is the right solution so we're trying to get this in as many places as possible.
16:05:39 <benadida> PROPOSE: to change HTML to XHTML in Primer and add a short section pointing out that implementations may well accept RDFa in HTML though those documents won't validate.
16:05:45 <msporny> +1
16:05:52 <Ralph> +1
16:05:56 <benadida> +1 (grumble)
16:05:57 <Zakim> -Jeremy
16:06:16 <ShaneM> +1 (also grumble)
16:06:44 <msporny> RESOLVED: Change HTML to XHTML in Primer and add a short section
16:06:44 <msporny>            pointing out that implementations may well accept RDFa in HTML
16:06:45 <msporny>            though those documents won't validate.
16:07:11 <msporny> RESOLVED: Change HTML to XHTML in Primer and add a short section pointing out that implementations may well accept RDFa in HTML though those documents won't validate.
16:07:30 <Ralph> Ralph: not only "implementations may well accept" but "we have designed RDFa to make it easy for applications to accept"
16:07:36 <benadida> ACTION: Ben to update Primer according to resolution, and add note about "it was designed to eventually work in HTML, etc..."
16:08:31 <msporny> benadida: We might want to start a page on the wiki on HTML 4 and HTML 5.
16:09:19 <msporny> ShaneM: We could do it as a member submission.
16:09:49 <msporny> Ralph: you could do it as an incubator group.
16:10:17 <benadida> ACTION: Manu to start a wiki page for HTML4/5
16:10:22 <msporny> ShaneM: let's setup an wiki page.
16:11:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph
16:12:00 <Zakim> -Ben_Adida
16:12:31 <Zakim> -ShaneM
16:12:46 <Zakim> -Ralph
16:12:47 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended
16:12:48 <Zakim> Attendees were ShaneM, +1.408.338.aaaa, Ralph, Ben_Adida, Manu, +1.408.338.aabb, Jeremy
16:12:57 <Ralph> zakim, bye
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16:13:01 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
16:13:01 <RRSAgent> I see 21 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-actions.rdf :
16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to log all CR issues to tracker [1]
16:13:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-irc#T15-10-56
16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu: Start Best Practices Section on the rdfa.info wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-rdfa-minutes.html#action16] [2]
16:13:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-irc#T15-11-10
16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane respond to commentor for ISSUE-121 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [3]
16:13:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-irc#T15-11-43
16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [4]
16:13:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-irc#T15-11-54
16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph to make http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt happen [5]
16:13:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-irc#T15-16-20
16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane to update XHTML ns document to point to new XSLT URI [6]
16:13:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-irc#T15-16-32
16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeremy to demonstrate GRDDL with XHTML/RDFa once the NS URI is set up. [7]
16:13:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-irc#T15-18-28
16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to follow up with Elias on JavaScript test harness + EARL [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action13] [8]
16:13:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-irc#T15-18-44
16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to talk to Allan about CR ISSUE-122 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html#action15] [9]
16:13:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-irc#T15-18-54
16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeremy to write up TQ's contribution for impl report and wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html#action16] [10]
16:13:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-irc#T15-19-05
16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeremy to add TQ's contribution for impl report to wiki [11]
16:13:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-irc#T15-19-29
16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu write the perl code for Slashdot [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action03] [12]
16:13:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-irc#T15-19-35
16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [13]
16:13:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-irc#T15-20-08
16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] [14]
16:13:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-irc#T15-20-21
16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [15]
16:13:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-irc#T15-20-34
16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to rewrite and extend http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tutorials for RSS (maybe with seq) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html#action08] [16]
16:13:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-irc#T15-20-52
16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action11] [17]
16:13:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-irc#T15-21-00
16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane to write home page for SPREAD. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [18]
16:13:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-irc#T15-21-09
16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to tease out the more involved aspects of ISSUE-122 [19]
16:13:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-irc#T15-30-07
16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to update Primer according to resolution, and add note about "it was designed to eventually work in HTML, etc..." [20]
16:13:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-irc#T16-07-36
16:13:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu to start a wiki page for HTML4/5 [21]
16:13:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-irc#T16-10-17