IRC log of xhtml on 2008-07-23

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/07/23-xhtml-irc
13:30:55 [Roland_M]
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jul/0022.html
13:31:01 [Roland_M]
Zakim, list
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I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM active
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also scheduled at this time are IA_XHTML2()9:45AM, T&S_EGOV()9:00AM, Team_W3M()8:00AM
13:31:14 [Roland_M]
Zakim, this will be XHTML2
13:31:14 [Zakim]
ok, Roland_M; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes
13:32:12 [Roland]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/23-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
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rrsagent, make log public
13:32:51 [Roland]
Meeting: XHTML2 WG Weekly Teleconference
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Chair: Roland
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Regrets: Steven, Mark
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rrsagent, make minutes
13:33:22 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/23-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
13:42:48 [Zakim]
IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has now started
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+McCarron
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+Roland_Merrick
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+Tina
13:43:39 [ShaneM]
zakim, who is here
13:43:39 [Zakim]
ShaneM, you need to end that query with '?'
13:43:45 [ShaneM]
zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see McCarron, Roland_Merrick, Tina
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On IRC I see ShaneM, RRSAgent, Zakim, Roland, Lachy, Tina
13:43:55 [ShaneM]
zakim, mccarron is ShaneM
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+ShaneM; got it
13:44:26 [Roland]
Zakim, Roland_Merrick is Roland
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+Roland; got it
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+??P3
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zakim, ??P3 is Alessio
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+Alessio; got it
13:49:08 [ShaneM]
Scibe: ShaneM
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Scribe: ShaneM
13:49:27 [ShaneM]
Topic: Passwords in the Clear
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13:49:36 [ShaneM]
Response was sent. DONE.
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Topic: XSD Review
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Ongoing
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Topic: CR Transition Status
13:50:39 [ShaneM]
Roland sent a follow up - no action in three weeks.
13:51:50 [ShaneM]
Topic: Role Attribute Module
13:51:52 [alessio]
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No updates.
13:52:50 [ShaneM]
Topic: XHTML Basic 1.1 Transition
13:53:27 [ShaneM]
Basically we r done - DTDs might live in MarkUp and date space. depends on powers that be.
13:53:32 [ShaneM]
Publication of Rec on 29 July.
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Topic: XHTML Modularization Transition to Rec
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Review period ended. No news on status.
13:55:47 [ShaneM]
Topic: XHTML 1.1 Second Edition
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Waiting on M12N to get to Rec. Ready to go.
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Topic: XHTML Access Module
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13:58:39 [ShaneM]
Shane's actions: working on navigation order and SVG response ongoing.
13:59:00 [ShaneM]
Action on adding child emements in M12N is complete - this is relatively easy to do. DTDs have hooks and Schema you define the content model on the fly.
14:01:45 [ShaneM]
http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-xhtml-access-20080526/#sec_3.1.2.
14:03:21 [ShaneM]
ACTION: Shane to fix table of contents in Access Module - the links to sections are wrong in some cases.
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Discussion of what is really meant by navigation order...
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14:10:16 [ShaneM]
If we were to say that the navigation order was the order of values in targetid, would that help? What would it mean if you had another intervening navigation event... does it restart the sequence of access key selections?
14:10:25 [ShaneM]
Alessio agrees it is not a simple case...
14:12:16 [ShaneM]
Roland suggests we enumerate the possibilities just so we can make a good decision.
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ACTION: Shane to document the ways navigation order / access could be interpreted. Group will then pick one and we will move on.
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14:15:39 [ShaneM]
Tina mentions that it would be interesting to have an element in which you could specify the list of IDs in "navigation order".
14:15:58 [ShaneM]
Topic: XML Events 2
14:16:47 [ShaneM]
Mark sent a note Monday about how the script element might be trickier than we thought w.r.t. backward compatibility.
14:17:07 [ShaneM]
Suggested we bring back the handler element as well.
14:17:44 [ShaneM]
Roland has been thinking about this, and agrees there is value in having both.
14:19:01 [ShaneM]
Could possibly introduce a way to say that the handler for an action is a function as opposed to a URI
14:19:48 [ShaneM]
Roland points out that this problem existed in XML Events 1 already.
14:22:01 [ShaneM]
If there is a function attribute, the function gets passed the event context. so @function takes a function name
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<action event="whatever" function="someFunction">
14:23:35 [ShaneM]
Shane asks when @handler when there is @function? Roland mentions that there are XForms declarative examples that might make sense.
14:26:33 [ShaneM]
So @handler ONLY refers to specific elements that are part of the language, and any custom handlers an author wants are implemented in a scripting language and referenced via @handler
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s/@handler/@function/
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Shane mentions that @function might make sense on the listener as well (and in the global attribute collection)
14:28:06 [ShaneM]
Roland thinks it probably does.
14:28:58 [ShaneM]
Roland mentioned that the Chair of the DOM3 Events group mentioned that they have been making some changes and we should sync up.
14:29:08 [ShaneM]
No follow up as yet, but we should keep an eye out.
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Topic: XHTML Features
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This continues...
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All actions continue.
14:31:00 [Roland]
XML Entity definitions for Characters
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http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-xml-entity-names-20080721/
14:31:54 [ShaneM]
Topic: RDFa Syntax status
14:34:17 [ShaneM]
CR is complete, no real objections.
14:34:29 [ShaneM]
Roland raised the issue of @rel values. These are defined in the XHTML Vocatulary space
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http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab
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14:37:23 [ShaneM]
We own the collection of values - if any one wants to extend the base reserved word collection they need to come to us.
14:38:26 [ShaneM]
Topic; XHTML 2 status update
14:40:10 [ShaneM]
Script element is tricky in the content model...
14:40:42 [ShaneM]
there are attributes that conflict and seem to have different semantics.
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Roland will try to summarize the script issues.
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Topic: Validator and error messages
14:43:26 [ShaneM]
The validator will tell people to use <li/> in an XHTML document.
14:43:37 [ShaneM]
Should we ask them to NOT give that advice?
14:44:25 [ShaneM]
ACTION: Tina will try to dig up a document in the wild that gives "bad" advice and send an example to the mailing list.
14:45:07 [Zakim]
-Tina
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-Alessio
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-ShaneM
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-Roland
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IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended
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Attendees were Tina, ShaneM, Roland, Alessio
14:45:34 [Roland]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/23-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
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zakim, please part
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rrsagent, please part
14:46:29 [RRSAgent]
I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/23-xhtml-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: Shane to fix table of contents in Access Module - the links to sections are wrong in some cases. [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/23-xhtml-irc#T14-03-21
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ACTION: Shane to document the ways navigation order / access could be interpreted. Group will then pick one and we will move on. [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/23-xhtml-irc#T14-13-01
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ACTION: Tina will try to dig up a document in the wild that gives "bad" advice and send an example to the mailing list. [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/23-xhtml-irc#T14-44-25