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18:31:36 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAPP
18:31:36 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
18:31:37 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
18:31:37 <trackbot> Date: 16 July 2008
18:32:02 <shepazu> Zakim, call shepazu 
18:32:02 <Zakim> sorry, shepazu, I don't know what conference this is
18:32:14 <shepazu> Zakim, this will be DOM3
18:32:14 <Zakim> ok, shepazu, I see IA_WebAPI(DOM3)2:30PM already started
18:32:23 <shepazu> Zakim, call shepazu 
18:32:23 <Zakim> ok, shepazu; the call is being made
18:32:25 <Zakim> +Shepazu
18:33:32 <shepazu> Zakim, code
18:33:32 <Zakim> I don't understand 'code', shepazu
18:33:39 <shepazu> zakim, code?
18:33:39 <Zakim> the conference code is 3663 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shepazu
18:34:35 <Zakim> +??P4
18:34:50 <smaug> Zakim, ??P4 is me
18:34:50 <Zakim> +smaug; got it
18:35:52 <shepazu> Zakim, who is here?
18:35:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], +358.504.86aaaa, Shepazu, smaug
18:35:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Travis, weinig, aroben, anne, Lachy, ArtB, arve, smaug, gavin, heycam, Hixie, shepazu, timeless, gDashiva, Dashiva, trackbot, inimino
18:36:15 <shepazu> Zakim, [Microsoft is Travis 
18:36:15 <Zakim> +Travis; got it
18:36:30 <shepazu> Zakim, + is timeless 
18:36:30 <Zakim> +timeless; got it
18:36:55 <Travis> Travis will scribe.
18:37:07 <Travis> scribenick: Travis
18:37:13 <shepazu> chair: Doug
18:37:22 <shepazu> regrets: Carmelo
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18:37:55 <shepazu> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/16_Jul_2008
18:38:31 <Zakim> +??P9
18:38:39 <aemmons> zakim, ??p9 is me
18:38:39 <Zakim> +aemmons; got it
18:40:29 <Travis> Topic: key identifiers
18:40:55 <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html
18:43:03 <aemmons> zakim, who is here?
18:43:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see Travis, timeless, Shepazu, smaug, aemmons
18:43:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see aemmons, RRSAgent, Zakim, Travis, weinig, aroben, anne, Lachy, ArtB, arve, smaug, gavin, heycam, Hixie, shepazu, timeless, gDashiva, Dashiva, trackbot, inimino
18:43:48 <Travis> shepazu: Looking at the latest draft of DOM L3 Events
18:44:24 <Travis> ... using Geek alt. style, can see the testable assertions.
18:49:28 <Travis> ... now looking at changes in Appendix A.1.5
18:51:32 <Travis> ... The goal of key identifiers (I want feedback here): identify the key value as it is currently configured (key mapping + modifier keys, etc.)
18:51:42 <timeless> for reference, the n810 keyboard: http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/nokia-n810-review.ars/2
18:52:23 <Travis> ... again: would like to identify what the current output of the key will be.
18:55:21 <Travis> Travis: Could we walk through an example?
18:55:35 <Travis> shepazu: Q key example.
18:55:59 <Travis> ... Press "1" key --> key identifier as "1"
18:56:16 <Travis> ... Press <shift>+"1" key --> key identifier as "!"
18:56:40 <Zakim> -aemmons
18:56:42 <timeless> for reference, http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/reference/keyboards.mspx
19:00:01 <Travis> ... for "[" there's a unicode value (U+005B), a named value "LeftSquareBracket", and a character value "["
19:01:57 <Zakim> -timeless
19:02:18 <Zakim> +timeless
19:09:06 <Travis> Travis: To make things simpler, could provide seperate accessors for key char, key name, key unicode.
19:11:11 <Travis> Action: shepazu to define either three new attributes for keyIdentifierChar, keyIdentifierName, and keyIdentifierUnicode (or an object that contains them and has stringification magic)
19:11:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-14 - Define either three new attributes for keyIdentifierChar, keyIdentifierName, and keyIdentifierUnicode (or an object that contains them and has stringification magic) [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-07-23].
19:12:16 <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#events-Events-KeyboardEvents-Interfaces
19:17:12 <Travis> Issue: If accessKeys are a key scenario, might want to define an AccessKeyEvent for a future specification of DOM Events.
19:17:12 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-40 - If accessKeys are a key scenario, might want to define an AccessKeyEvent for a future specification of DOM Events. ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/40/edit .
19:20:32 <Travis> shepazu: IME (input method editors) are still and open issue (Working on this...)
19:21:02 <Travis> ... Also, trying to get this spec to last call in 1 to 1-1/2 months. Trying hard to resolve open issues...
19:24:16 <Travis> Topic: mouseenter/mouseleave
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19:29:05 <smaug> argh
19:29:13 <Zakim> -smaug
19:30:34 <smaug> will be back
19:31:47 <Travis> Travis: mouseenter/mouseleave can be simulated using the existing DOM L3 constructs mouseover/mouseout.
19:32:11 <Travis> ... the value-add is in the convenience that these events offer for certain scenarios.
19:33:14 <Travis> (Most of these scenarios involved tracking the mouse pointer around the visual layout of the web page (versus a document-tree navigation model)
19:33:50 <Zakim> +??P4
19:33:51 <Travis> ... In the interest of closing on DOM L3 events, may want to consider this for a future version of the spec.
19:34:25 <timeless> Zakim, ??P4 is smaug
19:34:25 <Zakim> +smaug; got it
19:36:02 <Travis> Resolution: Defer mouseenter/mouseleave for a later version of DOM Events.
19:36:03 <Zakim> -smaug
19:37:35 <Travis> shepazu: As a convenience method this is definately worth investigating...
19:37:55 <Travis> Action: shepazu to create list of future events to add to a future spec.
19:37:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-15 - Create list of future events to add to a future spec. [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-07-23].
19:38:11 <Travis> (multiple input, accessKey, mouseenter/leave
19:38:50 <shepazu> Zakim, who's here??
19:38:50 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, shepazu.
19:38:56 <timeless> zakim, who is here?
19:38:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see Travis, Shepazu, timeless
19:38:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see weinig, mjs, RRSAgent, Zakim, Travis, aroben, anne, Lachy, ArtB, arve, gavin, heycam, Hixie, shepazu, timeless, gDashiva, Dashiva, trackbot, inimino
19:39:54 <Travis> shepazu: Any other issues to bring up, or are we done?
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19:42:11 <smaug> so great
19:42:19 <Zakim> +??P4
19:42:25 <smaug> Zakim, ??P4 is me
19:42:25 <Zakim> +smaug; got it
19:42:55 <smaug> Sorry, the WLAN here @summer cottage just went down
19:45:33 <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#events-event-DOMCharacterDataModified
20:04:40 <Travis> Adios.
20:04:40 <Zakim> -smaug
20:04:44 <Zakim> -timeless
20:04:49 <Zakim> -Shepazu
20:04:50 <Zakim> -Travis
20:04:50 <Zakim> IA_WebAPI(DOM3)2:30PM has ended
20:04:51 <Zakim> Attendees were [Microsoft], +358.504.86aaaa, Shepazu, smaug, Travis, timeless, aemmons
20:05:12 <timeless> zakim:  +358.504.86aaaa is me
20:05:40 <shepazu> don't sweat it :)
20:05:46 <shepazu> Zakim, bye
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20:05:58 <shepazu> RRSAgent, make minutes
20:05:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/16-webapps-minutes.html shepazu
20:08:11 <smaug> sorry about the network problems
20:08:39 <shepazu> np
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23:10:34 <heycam> shepazu, gotta wait for chris' reply to the shortname change before the webidl publication can happen
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23:11:08 <shepazu> heycam: yeah
23:11:23 <shepazu> although I think the request should go to plh
23:11:34 <heycam> ah right
23:11:55 <heycam> in the process document it said director approval.  where's it documented that that sort of thing is delegated to domain leads?
23:15:49 <shepazu> no idea :)
23:21:30 <anne> at least one e-mail from ij somewhere
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