IRC log of er on 2008-07-16

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12:32:29 [shadi]

zakim, this will be ert

12:32:29 [Zakim]

ok, shadi, I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM already started

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zakim, call shadi-617

12:32:37 [Zakim]

ok, shadi; the call is being made

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+Shadi

12:32:52 [shadi]

zakim, who is on the phone?

12:32:52 [Zakim]

On the phone I see [IBM], CarlosV, Shadi

12:33:02 [shadi]

zakim, ibm is really Mike

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+Mike; got it

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meeting: ERT WG

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+CarlosI

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zakim, carlosV is really Johannes

12:34:03 [Zakim]

+Johannes; got it

12:34:17 [shadi]

agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Jul/0007.html

12:34:25 [shadi]

agenda+ Updates and announcements

12:34:37 [shadi]

agenda+ Review Pointers-in-RDF editor's draft

12:34:50 [shadi]

agenda+ Describing WCAG 2.0 Success Criteria and Techniques

12:34:59 [shadi]

chair: Shadi

12:35:13 [shadi]

scribe: CarlosI

12:36:17 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 1

12:36:17 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Updates and announcements" taken up [from shadi]

12:38:20 [carlosI]

SAZ: publication is on the queue

12:38:33 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/charter4

12:39:26 [carlosI]

SAZ: nearby update

12:39:37 [carlosI]

SAZ: ask for comments for a couple of days

12:40:10 [carlosI]

SAZ: have a look now to the scope section

12:44:33 [carlosI]

SAZ: next topic is F2F date and venue

12:45:24 [carlosI]

SAZ: seems that AT WG is meeting at the plennary

12:46:03 [carlosI]

SAZ: ERT WG members are very welcome to their meetings

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12:48:46 [carlosI]

SAZ: would be fairly easy to meet just after or before the TPAC

12:49:10 [carlosI]

SAZ: can not get a room during the TPAC

12:52:58 [carlosI]

CI: what are F2F objectives?

12:53:10 [carlosI]

SAZ: mainly put all the pieces together

12:53:27 [carlosI]

SAZ: also solve any potential pending issue

12:54:20 [carlosI]

SAZ: may be easier get our independent F2F appart from TPAC

12:55:46 [carlosI]

SAZ: we can think about the beginning of October

12:57:13 [carlosI]

SAZ: we can mark 3rd of Nov as a potential date

12:57:59 [carlosI]

SAZ: anyway you are all welcome to come to the TPAC

12:58:29 [carlosI]

SAZ: remember some meetings are member only and need to contact with the group chair

12:58:52 [carlosI]

MS: venue for October?

12:59:21 [carlosI]

SAZ: near Cologne

12:59:37 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 2

12:59:37 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Review Pointers-in-RDF editor's draft" taken up [from shadi]

13:00:46 [shadi]

scribe: Mike

13:00:46 [MikeS]

scribe: Mike

13:00:51 [shadi]

scribenick: MikeS

13:01:06 [MikeS]

zakim, mute Mike

13:01:06 [Zakim]

Mike should now be muted

13:01:07 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/Pointers/WD-Pointers-20080623

13:01:52 [MikeS]

CI: open issues include XPath v. XPointer pointers

13:01:59 [MikeS]

...XPointerPointe now subclass of XPathPointer

13:02:17 [MikeS]

...Namespace class with prefix and URI properties but where does it belong?

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...working on pointers best practices

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...editorial improvements to intro and abstract

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...pointers into HTML docs

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...changed RangePointer to CompoundPointer

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...consider making char optional property

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...in LangChar class

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..any priorities within these issues?

13:07:59 [MikeS]

...created an issues document and can send to list

13:08:49 [MikeS]

SAZ: document is looking good and get into public working draft

13:09:20 [MikeS]

..rules can be put into the document rather than separate

13:10:02 [MikeS]

...forget about joint example for now

13:10:12 [MikeS]

..can be tackled at F2F

13:11:13 [MikeS]

CI: thinking more of contained examples, small snippet pointers with actual docs

13:12:21 [MikeS]

SAZ: RDF Primer actually uses snippets from full document but that doc is not in the actual spec

13:12:42 [MikeS]

...not CI's responsibility to look across all docs and allign them

13:13:38 [MikeS]

...fewer nesting levels is prefered but up to CI

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zakim, unmute Mike

13:14:21 [Zakim]

Mike should no longer be muted

13:15:23 [MikeS]

CI: two options for HTMLPointer

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...take it out of the document completely

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....leave it as placeholder and try to distinguish as much as possible

13:16:48 [MikeS]

SAZ: 3rd option - real example, more than just a placeholder

13:17:14 [MikeS]

...can we provide a suffficient definition of HTMLPointer?

13:17:56 [MikeS]

CI: pointer used to point to documents that are not well-formed

13:19:06 [MikeS]

MS: problem is example of HTMLPointer, not definition

13:19:33 [MikeS]

CI: two definitions, one based on serialization / normalization

13:19:45 [MikeS]

...other was simplified expression based on hierarchy of elements

13:20:09 [MikeS]

....more in favor of simplified expression bc serialization is out of our domain and resources

13:21:04 [MikeS]

...in favor of simplified approach and wait to see what HTML5 does with serialization / normalization

13:21:57 [MikeS]

SAZ: much more discussion of two options CI mentioned

13:22:35 [MikeS]

MS: prefer to elave it in bc it indicates mindfulness of our attention to web contnet

13:23:24 [MikeS]

JK: add something and see what directions we get from reviewers

13:23:41 [MikeS]

CI: also get feedback on work on normalization and how this fits

13:24:28 [MikeS]

SAZ: what is the feeling about a public issues document?

13:24:36 [MikeS]

JK: could use tracker to track issues

13:25:15 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tracker/

13:25:38 [MikeS]

SAZ: public page for tracker so that not restricted to members

13:26:26 [MikeS]

...people can start working with tracker, using products = documents

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...anybody can open an issue or add actions or change status

13:27:38 [MikeS]

SAZ: any objections to CompoundPointer over RangePointer?

13:28:09 [MikeS]

RESOLUTION: use CompoundPointer rather than RangePointer

13:28:46 [MikeS]

SAZ: RDF domains and optional char property

13:30:11 [MikeS]

SAZ: pick up domains in content n RDF

13:30:37 [MikeS]

...thoughts on next emeting?

13:30:58 [MikeS]

CI: on vacation so not sure of availability during regular meeting time

13:31:06 [MikeS]

MS: available

13:31:15 [MikeS]

JK: traveling and will check with CV

13:31:34 [MikeS]

SAZ: send out agenda on Mon and confirm availability

13:31:47 [MikeS]

MS: not available following week, Jul 30

13:31:53 [Zakim]

-Johannes

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-Shadi

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-Mike

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zakim, drop carlosI

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CarlosI is being disconnected

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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended

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Attendees were Shadi, Mike, CarlosI, Johannes

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zakim, bye

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rrsagent, make logs world

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/16-er-minutes.html shadi

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