IRC log of tsdtf on 2008-07-15
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/07/15-tsdtf-irc
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- 12:22:38 [shadi]
- zakim, this will be tsdtf
- 12:22:38 [Zakim]
- ok, shadi; I see WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
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- meeting: TSD TF
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- chair: CarlosV, Christophe
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2008Jul/0013.html
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- agenda+ Proposal for a new metadata element for internal notes
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- agenda+ Updated metadata document: testElements
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- agenda+ Reviews of test samples
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- zakim, agenda?
- 12:30:13 [Zakim]
- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
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- 1. Proposal for a new metadata element for internal notes [from shadi]
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- 2. Updated metadata document: testElements [from shadi]
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- 3. Reviews of test samples [from shadi]
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- zakim, code?
- 12:30:44 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 8783 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shadi
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- WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has now started
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- +??P0
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- +Christophe_Strobbe
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- +CarlosI
- 12:31:59 [shadi]
- zakim, ? is really me
- 12:31:59 [Zakim]
- +shadi; got it
- 12:34:37 [Zakim]
- + +1.617.324.aaaa
- 12:35:36 [Christophe]
- zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1. "Proposal for a new metadata element for internal notes" taken up [from shadi]
- 12:35:53 [shadi]
- scribe: CarlosI
- 12:36:04 [shadi]
- zakim, take up agendum 1
- 12:36:04 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "Proposal for a new metadata element for internal notes" taken up [from shadi]
- 12:36:18 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2008Jul/0006.html
- 12:36:32 [carlosI]
- CS: don't see any objections nor comments
- 12:37:52 [carlosI]
- RESOLUTION: add new internalNotes element to the schema
- 12:39:33 [carlosI]
- ACTION: CS to add the new internalNotes to the schema
- 12:39:33 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-1 - Add the new internalNotes to the schema [on Christophe Strobbe - due 2008-07-22].
- 12:40:02 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2006/tests/tracker/
- 12:40:57 [carlosI]
- CS: how I tell the tracker the action is done?
- 12:41:57 [carlosI]
- SAZ: you can edit actions in the tracker
- 12:42:06 [shadi]
- zakim, take up agendum 2
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- agendum 2. "Updated metadata document: testElements" taken up [from shadi]
- 12:42:44 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2008Jul/0003.html
- 12:43:15 [carlosI]
- CS: need to document some elements the test samples were using
- 12:43:56 [carlosI]
- CS: they have been added to the metadata description
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/usingTCDL#metadata
- 12:46:43 [Christophe]
- zakim, take up agendum 3
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- agendum 3. "Reviews of test samples" taken up [from shadi]
- 12:47:38 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42683/batch1/
- 12:47:44 [carlosI]
- CS: several abstentions
- 12:47:50 [Christophe]
- Results: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42683/batch1/results
- 12:48:08 [carlosI]
- SAZ: We may need to go one by one
- 12:48:56 [carlosI]
- SAZ: people abstain instead of raise concerns
- 12:49:21 [carlosI]
- SAZ: Try to see what are the issues one by one
- 12:49:51 [carlosI]
- SAZ: the poll is open, so people can change their votes
- 12:52:24 [carlosI]
- CS: the reviews make open questions intead raise issues
- 12:53:15 [shadi]
- "Suggest changes to the review results (please elaborate below)"
- 12:56:12 [carlosI]
- SAZ: the problem is that "not sure" is not a valid review result
- 12:56:24 [carlosI]
- SAZ: the review was not finished
- 12:56:36 [carlosI]
- SAZ: there was an issue with the review itself
- 12:57:45 [carlosI]
- SAZ: in some cases you may disagree or suggest changes to a review
- 13:01:05 [carlosI]
- ACTION: Shadi to review with Tim his reviews
- 13:01:05 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-2 - Review with Tim his reviews [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2008-07-22].
- 13:02:37 [shadi]
- action: Shadi to change the 4th option in the WBS survey to "Suggest changes to the review results (please elaborate below)"
- 13:02:37 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-3 - Change the 4th option in the WBS survey to \"Suggest changes to the review results (please elaborate below)\" [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2008-07-22].
- 13:03:57 [carlosI]
- SAZ: now #16
- 13:04:08 [carlosI]
- SAZ: 2 abstains 1 disagree from CS
- 13:04:16 [carlosI]
- SAZ: let's see why
- 13:08:40 [carlosI]
- SAZ: some issues look more related to the content review
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- CI: agree, but the review criteria ask for checking if they are accurate
- 13:10:41 [carlosI]
- SAZ: difficult to totally separate structure and content review
- 13:11:00 [carlosI]
- SAZ: the idea was that structure can be done automatically
- 13:14:17 [carlosI]
- ACTION: Shadi to improve the word accurate in the structure review
- 13:14:17 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-4 - Improve the word accurate in the structure review [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2008-07-22].
- 13:15:20 [carlosI]
- CI: move the comments on description and purpose from the structure review to the content review on test sample #16
- 13:15:30 [carlosI]
- ACTION: CI to move the comments on description and purpose from the structure review to the content review on test sample #16
- 13:15:30 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-5 - Move the comments on description and purpose from the structure review to the content review on test sample #16 [on Carlos Iglesias - due 2008-07-22].
- 13:16:21 [carlosI]
- SAZ: somebody need to update the test samples with the new internalNotes element
- 13:16:54 [carlosI]
- ACTION: CS to move the information of techComment to internalNotes
- 13:16:54 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-6 - Move the information of techComment to internalNotes [on Christophe Strobbe - due 2008-07-22].
- 13:17:47 [carlosI]
- ACTION: CI update the structure review once the test sample has been updated
- 13:17:47 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-7 - Update the structure review once the test sample has been updated [on Carlos Iglesias - due 2008-07-22].
- 13:18:46 [carlosI]
- SAZ: now move to #18
- 13:18:53 [carlosI]
- SAZ: basically the same
- 13:19:26 [carlosI]
- CS: there is a new comment about pointers consistency
- 13:19:54 [carlosI]
- SAZ: this was raised in the ERT WG and there was a resolution to create some guidelines
- 13:20:07 [carlosI]
- SAZ: may put this on hold now and come back later
- 13:23:54 [carlosI]
- CI: what about separate the review process into automatic and manual?
- 13:24:15 [carlosI]
- SAZ: it's more about neutral interpretation than about been automatically tested or not
- 13:27:09 [carlosI]
- CI: may need to record these general issues somewhere to be aware of them
- 13:27:47 [carlosI]
- CS: there is something like that in the wiki
- 13:27:59 [carlosI]
- CS: the brainstorming corner
- 13:28:04 [carlosI]
- http://www.w3.org/2006/tsdtf/BrainstormingCorner
- 13:28:32 [carlosI]
- SAZ: CI can get back to the group when the pointers guidelines are done
- 13:28:39 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/usingTCDL
- 13:28:53 [carlosI]
- CI: this solve this specific issue but what happen with others?
- 13:29:35 [carlosI]
- CI: we can also use internal notes
- 13:29:47 [carlosI]
- SAZ: can be this done automatically?
- 13:30:08 [carlosI]
- CS: yep
- 13:30:56 [carlosI]
- ACTION: CS add on internalNotes for every test case that the use of pointers should be reviewed
- 13:30:56 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-8 - Add on internalNotes for every test case that the use of pointers should be reviewed [on Christophe Strobbe - due 2008-07-22].
- 13:32:50 [carlosI]
- CI: it's better to have an individual internalNote with a specific ID for each issue
- 13:33:43 [carlosI]
- CI: for example the pointers issue can be ID="1"
- 13:34:31 [carlosI]
- ACTION: SAZ to update the using TCDL document to say that pointers will be updated in the future
- 13:34:31 [trackbot]
- Sorry, couldn't find user - SAZ
- 13:35:10 [carlosI]
- ACTION: Shadi to update the using TCDL document to say that pointers will be updated in the future
- 13:35:11 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-9 - Update the using TCDL document to say that pointers will be updated in the future [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2008-07-22].
- 13:37:04 [carlosI]
- SAZ: don't lose your heart, this is the first one but next ones may be easier
- 13:37:16 [carlosI]
- CS: next teleconference?
- 13:37:25 [carlosI]
- SAZ: try the next week
- 13:37:39 [carlosI]
- SAZ: would like to finish the first batch
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- -Michael_Cooper
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- -Christophe_Strobbe
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- -CarlosI
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- -shadi
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- WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has ended
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- Attendees were Christophe_Strobbe, CarlosI, shadi, +1.617.324.aaaa, Michael_Cooper
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- 14:11:08 [shadi]
- zakim, bye
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- 14:11:16 [shadi]
- rrsagent, make logs world
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- rrsagent, make minutes
- 14:11:20 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/15-tsdtf-minutes.html shadi
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- rrsagent, make logs world
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- rrsagent, bye
- 14:11:26 [RRSAgent]
- I see 10 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/15-tsdtf-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: CS to add the new internalNotes to the schema [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/15-tsdtf-irc#T12-39-33
- 14:11:26 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Shadi to review with Tim his reviews [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/15-tsdtf-irc#T13-01-05
- 14:11:26 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Shadi to change the 4th option in the WBS survey to "Suggest changes to the review results (please elaborate below)" [3]
- 14:11:26 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/15-tsdtf-irc#T13-02-37
- 14:11:26 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Shadi to improve the word accurate in the structure review [4]
- 14:11:26 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/15-tsdtf-irc#T13-14-17
- 14:11:26 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: CI to move the comments on description and purpose from the structure review to the content review on test sample #16 [5]
- 14:11:26 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/15-tsdtf-irc#T13-15-30
- 14:11:26 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: CS to move the information of techComment to internalNotes [6]
- 14:11:26 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/15-tsdtf-irc#T13-16-54
- 14:11:26 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: CI update the structure review once the test sample has been updated [7]
- 14:11:26 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/15-tsdtf-irc#T13-17-47
- 14:11:26 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: CS add on internalNotes for every test case that the use of pointers should be reviewed [8]
- 14:11:26 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/15-tsdtf-irc#T13-30-56
- 14:11:26 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: SAZ to update the using TCDL document to say that pointers will be updated in the future [9]
- 14:11:26 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/15-tsdtf-irc#T13-34-31
- 14:11:26 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Shadi to update the using TCDL document to say that pointers will be updated in the future [10]
- 14:11:26 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/15-tsdtf-irc#T13-35-10