IRC log of svg on 2008-07-15
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be GA_SVGWG
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- ok, trackbot; I see GA_SVGWG()6:30AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago
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- Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 15 July 2008
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- GA_SVGWG()6:30AM has now started
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- +??P0
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- 10:33:20 [aemmons]
- zakim, ??p0 is me
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- +aemmons; got it
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- Zakim, ??p1 is me
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- +ed_; got it
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- 10:33:36 [anthony]
- Zakim, ??P2 is me
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- +anthony; got it
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- 10:34:00 [ChrisL]
- Hi folks
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- Zakim, ??P3 is me
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- +heycam; got it
- 10:34:13 [aemmons]
- Hi Chris!
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- I'm still sorting out a phone here (my regular phone line is out of order)
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- +Doug_Schepers
- 10:35:08 [ed_]
- Zakim, who is noisy?
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- ed_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: aemmons (42%), anthony (5%)
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- Scribe: anthony
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- Chair: Andrew Emmons
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- Regrets: None
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0036.html
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- Topic: Test Fest
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- http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/wiki/TestCoverage
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- +ChrisL
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- -anthony
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- 11:16:25 [anthony]
- Zakim, ??P2 is me
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- +anthony; got it
- 11:20:30 [ed_]
- http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/
- 11:34:01 [anthony]
- ACTION: anthony to Check the test report generation script to ensure data is not discarded when a revision number miss match occurs with a test
- 11:34:01 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-2098 - Check the test report generation script to ensure data is not discarded when a revision number miss match occurs with a test [on Anthony Grasso - due 2008-07-22].
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- -anthony
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- +??P2
- 11:36:07 [anthony]
- Zakim, ??P2 is me
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- +anthony; got it
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- -ChrisL
- 11:40:41 [aemmons]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0029.html
- 11:40:46 [anthony]
- [Discussion about organisation]
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- +ChrisL
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- Topic: Two progressive rendering questions
- 11:41:21 [anthony]
- CM: It's really just a couple of questions to clarify things for me
- 11:41:33 [anthony]
- ... I was reading through the section for the script thing
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- ... question is a bit long
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- ... so I don't mind if people reply to that offline
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- AE: I wouldn't mind some more time to go over that
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- DS: Same
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- CM: That's fine
- 11:42:51 [ChrisL]
- http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/errata/errata.xml#attribute-index
- 11:42:52 [aemmons]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJun/0154.html
- 11:43:00 [anthony]
- Topic: Mistakes in the attribute index appendix (ISSUE-2005)
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- CM: So I noticed there a number of incorrect entries in that
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- ... I thought it was automatically generated
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- CL: I think so
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- CM: A couple of things that were confused because of the scripts that generated it
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- ... minor mistakes
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- CL: So I'd like a little bit of time to check this
- 11:44:28 [anthony]
- ... I suspect it's probably reasonable
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- ... the reason I'm slightly hesitant is on font family I think it should have the value all
- 11:44:59 [anthony]
- ... and when I look at the proposed errata
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- CM: That's what's actually published
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- CL: So the ones on font face
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- ... shouldn't they include the value all?
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- CM: I copied those out of the DTD
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- CL: I'd have to go over those before accepting them
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- ... in general it looks good
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- ACTION: Chris to review the corrections to the mistakes in the attribute index and report back
- 11:46:38 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-2099 - Review the corrections to the mistakes in the attribute index and report back [on Chris Lilley - due 2008-07-22].
- 11:47:03 [anthony]
- CL: I'll see if I can get that done by next Tuesday
- 11:48:37 [aemmons]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0004.html
- 11:48:46 [anthony]
- Topic: Testing animation of empty string values (ISSUE-2010)
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- CM: Test has a semicolon at the end of a value for animation
- 11:49:23 [anthony]
- ... some implementations accept it
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- ... Bitflash is one of them
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- AE: Up until a few months ago we disallowed it
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- ... but we got complaints
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- ... that content was being generated with it like that
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- CL: Having a semicolon at the end of the list is fine if it is always required
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- ... is there are final blank entry
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- ... and does it matter
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- CM: I think this is an important thing to specify
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- ... if there are going to be empty string
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- ... so you can see I got varied results
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- ... with empty string in the middle and at the end
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- CL: If it doesn't introduce an ambiguity I'd be fine with changing it
- 11:54:13 [anthony]
- ... but if it does we need to think about it more
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- ED: I'm wondering if it can escape string values
- 11:54:34 [anthony]
- ... or escape it somehow with like a backslash
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- CM: So somethings are escaping for specific attribute types
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- ... rather than a general escaping mechanism
- 11:55:19 [anthony]
- ... so there is a similar problem in there
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- ... if you have a URL with a semicolon
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- ... would have to percent escape it
- 11:56:09 [anthony]
- ... one thing you could say if you want an empty string is that
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- ... you have a "#" there
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- ... because it's the same
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- ... or say there are two semicolons at the end
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- ... and the last one is an optional termination
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- AE: I'm happy with that
- 11:57:28 [anthony]
- ... have empty values
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- ... with the last one ignored
- 11:59:34 [anthony]
- ACTION: Cameron to reword the animation values such that a final semicolon is ignored
- 11:59:35 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-2100 - Reword the animation values such that a final semicolon is ignored [on Cameron McCormack - due 2008-07-22].
- 11:59:59 [anthony]
- DS: Are we changing something we use or are we changing something in SMIL?
- 12:00:19 [anthony]
- CM: We change what SMIL says but it will make us slightly divergent
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- AE: Aren't there places like that already?
- 12:00:50 [anthony]
- ... I think we already have the wording in there for SMIL
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- ... [Reads out spec]
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- ... So in there we can say this is our SVG specif rule
- 12:02:21 [ed_]
- http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/animate.html#ValuesAttribute
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- -heycam
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- -Doug_Schepers
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- Zakim, bye
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- leaving. As of this point the attendees were aemmons, ed_, anthony, heycam, Doug_Schepers, ChrisL
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- RRSAgent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/15-svg-minutes.html anthony
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- 15:02:25 [ed_work]
- hmm... so 1.1 doesn't really define if xlink:href is animatable on a script element