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14:38:55 <csma> zakim, this will be rif
14:38:55 <Zakim> ok, csma; I see SW_RIF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 22 minutes
14:39:40 <csma> Meeting: RIF telecon 15 July 2008
14:39:56 <csma> Chair: Christian de Sainte Marie
14:40:24 <csma> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Jul/0152.html
14:41:35 <csma> csma has changed the topic to: 15 July 2008 RIF Telecon Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Jul/0152.html
14:41:50 <csma> list agenda
14:42:02 <csma> clear agenda
14:42:51 <csma> agendum+ Admin
14:43:07 <csma> agendum+ Liaisons
14:43:17 <csma> agendum+ Actions review
14:43:32 <csma> agendum+ Publications
14:43:43 <csma> agendum+ AOB
14:53:03 <csma> Regrets: Gary Hallmark Sandro Hawke ChrisWelty LeoraMorgenstern MohamedZergaoui Hassan Aït-Kaci
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15:00:07 <csma> zakim, ??P13 is me
15:00:07 <Zakim> +csma; got it
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15:04:06 <Zakim> +Mike_Dean
15:04:23 <Zakim> + +43.158.801.1aaaa
15:04:28 <csma> Scribe: Dave Reynolds
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15:04:39 <DaveReynolds> ScribeNick: DaveReynolds
15:05:12 <Zakim> +AdrianP
15:05:37 <csma> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:05:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see csma, DaveReynolds, Mike_Dean, josb (muted), AdrianP
15:06:22 <csma> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Jul/att-0091/8-July-2008-rif-minutes.html
15:06:39 <csma> PROPOSED: accept July 8 minutes
15:06:44 <AdrianP> Zakim, mute me
15:06:44 <Zakim> AdrianP should now be muted
15:06:59 <csma> RESOLVED: accept minutes from July 8
15:07:15 <csma> next item
15:07:38 <csma> next item
15:07:44 <csma> close item 1
15:07:52 <csma> next titem
15:07:57 <csma> next item
15:08:05 <csma> close item 2
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15:08:11 <csma> next item
15:08:52 <csma> Axel, will you join on the phone?
15:09:10 <AxelPolleres> dialing
15:09:18 <Zakim> +??P21
15:09:52 <AxelPolleres> the number is: +44.117.370.6152
15:09:53 <DaveReynolds> UK Bridge: +44.117.370.6152
15:10:28 <Zakim> +[NRCC]
15:10:49 <josb> France: +33.4.89.06.34.99
15:11:50 <AdrianP> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:11:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see csma, DaveReynolds, Mike_Dean, josb, AdrianP (muted), AxelPolleres, [NRCC]
15:12:35 <DaveReynolds> Jos, action-451, reviewed and raised issue of disjointness of internal/external 
15:12:44 <DaveReynolds> s/451/541/
15:12:48 <DaveReynolds> action-541 closed
15:12:49 <trackbot> ACTION-541 Review bld closed
15:13:12 <DaveReynolds> action-540 closed
15:13:12 <trackbot> ACTION-540 Review SWC for LC closed
15:14:08 <AdrianP> Zakim, unmute me
15:14:08 <Zakim> AdrianP should no longer be muted
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15:14:24 <DaveReynolds> action-539 closed
15:14:24 <trackbot> ACTION-539 Review UCR for next WD closed
15:14:31 <AdrianP> Zakim, mute me
15:14:31 <Zakim> AdrianP should now be muted
15:14:49 <AxelPolleres> ACTION-452 ... CONTINUED, I try to do it during this call, I overlooked it.
15:15:08 <DaveReynolds> s/452/542/
15:15:37 <Zakim> +MichaelKifer
15:17:45 <DaveReynolds> csma: is the draft of rif:text critical path for LC publication of BLD/DTB?
15:18:05 <DaveReynolds> s/DTB/SWC/
15:18:07 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
15:18:07 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should now be muted
15:18:20 <DaveReynolds> Axel: doesn't seem critical path
15:18:25 <AxelPolleres> I am not sure about critical path for SWC, jos?
15:18:47 <DaveReynolds> Action-517 waiting frozen version of FLD
15:19:23 <Harold> zakim, [NRCC] is me
15:19:23 <Zakim> +Harold; got it
15:19:31 <josb> no, it is not
15:19:35 <DaveReynolds> Other actions continued
15:22:04 <MichaelKifer> zakim, unmute me
15:22:04 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should no longer be muted
15:22:05 <DaveReynolds> action-533 closed
15:22:05 <trackbot> ACTION-533 Add explaination of relative IRIs wrt base directive to DTB shortcuts closed
15:22:08 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
15:22:08 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should now be muted
15:22:37 <MichaelKifer> zakim, unmute me
15:22:37 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should no longer be muted
15:23:08 <DaveReynolds> action-506 closed
15:23:08 <trackbot> ACTION-506 Make editorial changes associated with DTB links in BLD and remove editor's notes closed
15:23:22 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
15:23:23 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should now be muted
15:24:11 <DaveReynolds> action-499 closed
15:24:11 <trackbot> ACTION-499 Add metadata syntax and commentary to BLD. closed
15:24:29 <MichaelKifer> zakim, unmute me
15:24:29 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should no longer be muted
15:24:41 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
15:24:41 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should now be muted
15:24:43 <DaveReynolds> action-500 closed
15:24:43 <trackbot> ACTION-500 Metadata to mathematical description closed
15:25:05 <DaveReynolds> action-498 closed
15:25:05 <trackbot> ACTION-498 Add text explaining external frames closed
15:25:10 <AdrianP> Zakim, unmute me
15:25:10 <Zakim> AdrianP should no longer be muted
15:26:19 <AdrianP> Zakim, mute me
15:26:19 <Zakim> AdrianP should now be muted
15:26:36 <csma> next item
15:26:39 <DaveReynolds> Test cases (action-440) to be reviewed in future call, perhaps week after next
15:27:21 <DaveReynolds> csma: PRD has been reviewed and just awaits publication, decide whether to publish alone or in batch
15:27:47 <DaveReynolds> csma: UCR reviewed by Stella, also to be reviewed by Jos
15:28:09 <DaveReynolds> csam: sorry, reading wrong line, not Jos
15:28:18 <DaveReynolds> s/csam/csma/
15:29:06 <DaveReynolds> csma: DTB reviewed by Stella, also given green light, waiting for Chris go/no-go
15:29:16 <DaveReynolds> Axel: also action-542, doing it now
15:30:13 <DaveReynolds> csma: anything else needed before DTB publish? In favour of publishing early as possible since 1st public WD.
15:30:15 <AxelPolleres> +1
15:30:17 <josb> q+
15:30:23 <csma> ack jos
15:30:47 <DaveReynolds> Jos: no objection, but doesn't make sense before publishing BLD
15:31:32 <DaveReynolds> csma: but PRD and FLD also reference DTB so it should be published along with the first referencing doc that gets published
15:32:17 <DaveReynolds> csma: SWC reviewed by Axel, and no objection to moving to LC, just csma review (which will be primarily editorial)
15:32:38 <josb> DTB has normative references to BLD, so it cannot be published before BLD
15:32:48 <DaveReynolds> csma: BLD there is the external/internal issue and awaiting Leora review
15:32:51 <MichaelKifer> zakim, unmute me
15:32:51 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should no longer be muted
15:33:24 <DaveReynolds> Michael: need till tomorrow for FLD, then should be freezable
15:33:43 <Harold> For FLD "Freeze ok" we need till tomorrow.
15:34:21 <DaveReynolds> Jos: if FLD frozen tomorrow night, could review by Friday
15:35:29 <Harold> Leora's BLD review should be based on a newly frozen BLD, as mentioned in email exchange.
15:35:41 <DaveReynolds> csma: so if can get Leora and Chris reviews can get them all published together next week, in which case no point trying to publish PRD etc now only 1 week diff
15:36:00 <DaveReynolds> s/reviews reviews this week/
15:36:18 <DaveReynolds> s/reviews/reviews this week/
15:36:27 <Harold> Only new reviews should be based on re-frozen versions.
15:37:37 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
15:37:37 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should now be muted
15:38:41 <DaveReynolds> csma: discuss issue of disjointness of internal/external atoms. Jos would object if they were not disjoint.
15:39:34 <josb> +1 should be disjoint
15:39:34 <mdean> +0.5
15:39:39 <AxelPolleres> I am not religious about it, we don't HAVE to impose this restriction, but it doesn't do harm either
15:39:47 <AxelPolleres> = 0
15:39:56 <MichaelKifer> I agree with Axel
15:40:09 <DaveReynolds> (non scribe) 0 agree with Axel
15:41:51 <DaveReynolds> csma: some discussions regarding BNF, Axel questioned Const, csma questioned syntax for variables
15:42:02 <DaveReynolds> csma: editorial since only the XML is normative
15:42:35 <DaveReynolds> Harold: regarding Const, now solved that, same shortcuts now in BLD and DTB
15:43:19 <DaveReynolds> Harold: regarding variables this is just a point of view whether the '?' is part of the string or now
15:43:42 <Harold> Conventionally, ?xyz should be serialized as <Var>xyz</Var>.
15:44:23 <Harold> s/now/not/
15:44:49 <DaveReynolds> csma: XML contains the name of the variable from the original rules, this in some cases may include '?', question is what about the presentation syntax
15:45:24 <Harold> Ok, ??yz should be serialized as <Var>?yz</Var>.
15:46:30 <DaveReynolds> csma: so need to change one example in PRD to match this, simple editorial change
15:48:17 <DaveReynolds> csma: was the issue of profiles being terms or unicode strings resolved?
15:48:32 <DaveReynolds> Jos: yes, was unclear, now settled on it being a Const
15:49:13 <DaveReynolds> Jos: and changed the SWC table following Michael's suggestions
15:49:31 <DaveReynolds> s/Michael/Harold and Michael/
15:50:19 <DaveReynolds> action: csma to ask Sandro to do the new freezes as soon as FLD is ready to freeze
15:50:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-544 - Ask Sandro to do the new freezes as soon as FLD is ready to freeze [on Christian de Sainte Marie - due 2008-07-22].
15:50:39 <MichaelKifer> zakim, unmute me
15:50:39 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should no longer be muted
15:51:13 <AxelPolleres> I fixed ACTION-542 now. Could Stella and Jos have a look? it is very short, so should be quick. I fixed 4.3.4 and changed the references to the langtag RFC to [BCP-47] throughout the document (also in sections 2.1.1 and 2.2)
15:51:24 <DaveReynolds> Michael: don't freeze BLD right now, need some small changes
15:51:28 <AxelPolleres> q+
15:51:45 <DaveReynolds> Michael: should be fixable in a couple of hours
15:51:46 <csma> ack axel
15:51:55 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
15:51:55 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should now be muted
15:52:15 <Harold> We'll send email about BLD first, then about FLD.
15:52:20 <DaveReynolds> Axel: completed action-542 now, so DTB can be re-frozen
15:53:19 <DaveReynolds> action: Jos to check Axel's text for action-542 (rif:text moving to two argument constructor)
15:53:19 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Jos
15:53:19 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jdebruij2, jderoo)
15:53:34 <DaveReynolds> action: jdebruij2 to check Axel's text for action-542 (rif:text moving to two argument constructor)
15:53:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-545 - Check Axel's text for action-542 (rif:text moving to two argument constructor) [on Jos de Bruijn - due 2008-07-22].
15:54:07 <AdrianP> Zakim, unmute me
15:54:07 <Zakim> AdrianP should no longer be muted
15:54:49 <DaveReynolds> Adrian: need to find a way to integrate javascript code in the final UCR version for the highlighting buttons
15:55:08 <DaveReynolds> Adrian: it is in the Wiki version and works there but doesn't survive the translation
15:55:12 <AdrianP> Zakim, mute me
15:55:12 <Zakim> AdrianP should now be muted
15:55:15 <DaveReynolds> csma: will check with Sandro
15:55:29 <DaveReynolds> +1 adjorn
15:55:34 <Zakim> -Harold
15:55:36 <AdrianP> bye
15:55:36 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
15:55:44 <Zakim> -AdrianP
15:56:00 <csma> zakim, who is speaking?
15:56:13 <Zakim> csma, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Mike_Dean (9%), josb (100%), csma (18%)
15:56:16 <Zakim> -Mike_Dean
15:56:47 <Zakim> -MichaelKifer
15:57:10 <csma> rrsagent, make log public
15:57:19 <csma> rrsagent, make minutes
15:57:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/15-rif-minutes.html csma
15:58:22 <csma> zakim, attendees list?
15:58:22 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, csma.
15:58:31 <csma> zakim, who attended?
15:58:31 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, csma.
15:58:37 <csma> zakim, attendees?
15:58:37 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, csma.
15:58:42 <csma> zakim, attendees
15:58:42 <DaveReynolds> zakim, list attendees
15:58:42 <Zakim> I don't understand 'attendees', csma
15:58:43 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been csma, DaveReynolds, Mike_Dean, +43.158.801.1aaaa, josb, AdrianP, AxelPolleres, MichaelKifer, Harold
15:59:06 <csma> rrzagent, make minutes
15:59:17 <csma> rrsagent, make minutes
15:59:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/15-rif-minutes.html csma
16:00:08 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds
16:00:09 <Zakim> -csma
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17:05:01 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, josb, in SW_RIF()11:00AM
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17:05:05 <Zakim> Attendees were csma, DaveReynolds, Mike_Dean, +43.158.801.1aaaa, josb, AdrianP, AxelPolleres, MichaelKifer, Harold