IRC log of rif on 2008-07-15
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- zakim, this will be rif
- 14:38:55 [Zakim]
- ok, csma; I see SW_RIF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 22 minutes
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- Meeting: RIF telecon 15 July 2008
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- Chair: Christian de Sainte Marie
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Jul/0152.html
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- csma has changed the topic to: 15 July 2008 RIF Telecon Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Jul/0152.html
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- list agenda
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- clear agenda
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- agendum+ Admin
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- agendum+ Liaisons
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- agendum+ Actions review
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- agendum+ Publications
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- agendum+ AOB
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- Regrets: Gary Hallmark Sandro Hawke ChrisWelty LeoraMorgenstern MohamedZergaoui Hassan Aït-Kaci
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- SW_RIF()11:00AM has now started
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- +??P13
- 15:00:07 [csma]
- zakim, ??P13 is me
- 15:00:07 [Zakim]
- +csma; got it
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- +??P10
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- +??P10
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- +Mike_Dean
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- + +43.158.801.1aaaa
- 15:04:28 [csma]
- Scribe: Dave Reynolds
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- ScribeNick: DaveReynolds
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- +AdrianP
- 15:05:37 [csma]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 15:05:37 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see csma, DaveReynolds, Mike_Dean, josb (muted), AdrianP
- 15:06:22 [csma]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Jul/att-0091/8-July-2008-rif-minutes.html
- 15:06:39 [csma]
- PROPOSED: accept July 8 minutes
- 15:06:44 [AdrianP]
- Zakim, mute me
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- AdrianP should now be muted
- 15:06:59 [csma]
- RESOLVED: accept minutes from July 8
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- next item
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- next item
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- close item 1
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- next titem
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- next item
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- close item 2
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- next item
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- Axel, will you join on the phone?
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- dialing
- 15:09:18 [Zakim]
- +??P21
- 15:09:52 [AxelPolleres]
- the number is: +44.117.370.6152
- 15:09:53 [DaveReynolds]
- UK Bridge: +44.117.370.6152
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- +[NRCC]
- 15:10:49 [josb]
- France: +33.4.89.06.34.99
- 15:11:50 [AdrianP]
- Zakim, who is on the phone?
- 15:11:50 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see csma, DaveReynolds, Mike_Dean, josb, AdrianP (muted), AxelPolleres, [NRCC]
- 15:12:35 [DaveReynolds]
- Jos, action-451, reviewed and raised issue of disjointness of internal/external
- 15:12:44 [DaveReynolds]
- s/451/541/
- 15:12:48 [DaveReynolds]
- action-541 closed
- 15:12:49 [trackbot]
- ACTION-541 Review bld closed
- 15:13:12 [DaveReynolds]
- action-540 closed
- 15:13:12 [trackbot]
- ACTION-540 Review SWC for LC closed
- 15:14:08 [AdrianP]
- Zakim, unmute me
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- AdrianP should no longer be muted
- 15:14:20 [MichaelKifer]
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- 15:14:24 [DaveReynolds]
- action-539 closed
- 15:14:24 [trackbot]
- ACTION-539 Review UCR for next WD closed
- 15:14:31 [AdrianP]
- Zakim, mute me
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- AdrianP should now be muted
- 15:14:49 [AxelPolleres]
- ACTION-452 ... CONTINUED, I try to do it during this call, I overlooked it.
- 15:15:08 [DaveReynolds]
- s/452/542/
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- +MichaelKifer
- 15:17:45 [DaveReynolds]
- csma: is the draft of rif:text critical path for LC publication of BLD/DTB?
- 15:18:05 [DaveReynolds]
- s/DTB/SWC/
- 15:18:07 [MichaelKifer]
- zakim, mute me
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- MichaelKifer should now be muted
- 15:18:20 [DaveReynolds]
- Axel: doesn't seem critical path
- 15:18:25 [AxelPolleres]
- I am not sure about critical path for SWC, jos?
- 15:18:47 [DaveReynolds]
- Action-517 waiting frozen version of FLD
- 15:19:23 [Harold]
- zakim, [NRCC] is me
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- +Harold; got it
- 15:19:31 [josb]
- no, it is not
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- Other actions continued
- 15:22:04 [MichaelKifer]
- zakim, unmute me
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- MichaelKifer should no longer be muted
- 15:22:05 [DaveReynolds]
- action-533 closed
- 15:22:05 [trackbot]
- ACTION-533 Add explaination of relative IRIs wrt base directive to DTB shortcuts closed
- 15:22:08 [MichaelKifer]
- zakim, mute me
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- MichaelKifer should now be muted
- 15:22:37 [MichaelKifer]
- zakim, unmute me
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- MichaelKifer should no longer be muted
- 15:23:08 [DaveReynolds]
- action-506 closed
- 15:23:08 [trackbot]
- ACTION-506 Make editorial changes associated with DTB links in BLD and remove editor's notes closed
- 15:23:22 [MichaelKifer]
- zakim, mute me
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- MichaelKifer should now be muted
- 15:24:11 [DaveReynolds]
- action-499 closed
- 15:24:11 [trackbot]
- ACTION-499 Add metadata syntax and commentary to BLD. closed
- 15:24:29 [MichaelKifer]
- zakim, unmute me
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- zakim, mute me
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- 15:24:43 [DaveReynolds]
- action-500 closed
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- ACTION-500 Metadata to mathematical description closed
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- action-498 closed
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- ACTION-498 Add text explaining external frames closed
- 15:25:10 [AdrianP]
- Zakim, unmute me
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- AdrianP should no longer be muted
- 15:26:19 [AdrianP]
- Zakim, mute me
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- AdrianP should now be muted
- 15:26:36 [csma]
- next item
- 15:26:39 [DaveReynolds]
- Test cases (action-440) to be reviewed in future call, perhaps week after next
- 15:27:21 [DaveReynolds]
- csma: PRD has been reviewed and just awaits publication, decide whether to publish alone or in batch
- 15:27:47 [DaveReynolds]
- csma: UCR reviewed by Stella, also to be reviewed by Jos
- 15:28:09 [DaveReynolds]
- csam: sorry, reading wrong line, not Jos
- 15:28:18 [DaveReynolds]
- s/csam/csma/
- 15:29:06 [DaveReynolds]
- csma: DTB reviewed by Stella, also given green light, waiting for Chris go/no-go
- 15:29:16 [DaveReynolds]
- Axel: also action-542, doing it now
- 15:30:13 [DaveReynolds]
- csma: anything else needed before DTB publish? In favour of publishing early as possible since 1st public WD.
- 15:30:15 [AxelPolleres]
- +1
- 15:30:17 [josb]
- q+
- 15:30:23 [csma]
- ack jos
- 15:30:47 [DaveReynolds]
- Jos: no objection, but doesn't make sense before publishing BLD
- 15:31:32 [DaveReynolds]
- csma: but PRD and FLD also reference DTB so it should be published along with the first referencing doc that gets published
- 15:32:17 [DaveReynolds]
- csma: SWC reviewed by Axel, and no objection to moving to LC, just csma review (which will be primarily editorial)
- 15:32:38 [josb]
- DTB has normative references to BLD, so it cannot be published before BLD
- 15:32:48 [DaveReynolds]
- csma: BLD there is the external/internal issue and awaiting Leora review
- 15:32:51 [MichaelKifer]
- zakim, unmute me
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- MichaelKifer should no longer be muted
- 15:33:24 [DaveReynolds]
- Michael: need till tomorrow for FLD, then should be freezable
- 15:33:43 [Harold]
- For FLD "Freeze ok" we need till tomorrow.
- 15:34:21 [DaveReynolds]
- Jos: if FLD frozen tomorrow night, could review by Friday
- 15:35:29 [Harold]
- Leora's BLD review should be based on a newly frozen BLD, as mentioned in email exchange.
- 15:35:41 [DaveReynolds]
- csma: so if can get Leora and Chris reviews can get them all published together next week, in which case no point trying to publish PRD etc now only 1 week diff
- 15:36:00 [DaveReynolds]
- s/reviews reviews this week/
- 15:36:18 [DaveReynolds]
- s/reviews/reviews this week/
- 15:36:27 [Harold]
- Only new reviews should be based on re-frozen versions.
- 15:37:37 [MichaelKifer]
- zakim, mute me
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- MichaelKifer should now be muted
- 15:38:41 [DaveReynolds]
- csma: discuss issue of disjointness of internal/external atoms. Jos would object if they were not disjoint.
- 15:39:34 [josb]
- +1 should be disjoint
- 15:39:34 [mdean]
- +0.5
- 15:39:39 [AxelPolleres]
- I am not religious about it, we don't HAVE to impose this restriction, but it doesn't do harm either
- 15:39:47 [AxelPolleres]
- = 0
- 15:39:56 [MichaelKifer]
- I agree with Axel
- 15:40:09 [DaveReynolds]
- (non scribe) 0 agree with Axel
- 15:41:51 [DaveReynolds]
- csma: some discussions regarding BNF, Axel questioned Const, csma questioned syntax for variables
- 15:42:02 [DaveReynolds]
- csma: editorial since only the XML is normative
- 15:42:35 [DaveReynolds]
- Harold: regarding Const, now solved that, same shortcuts now in BLD and DTB
- 15:43:19 [DaveReynolds]
- Harold: regarding variables this is just a point of view whether the '?' is part of the string or now
- 15:43:42 [Harold]
- Conventionally, ?xyz should be serialized as <Var>xyz</Var>.
- 15:44:23 [Harold]
- s/now/not/
- 15:44:49 [DaveReynolds]
- csma: XML contains the name of the variable from the original rules, this in some cases may include '?', question is what about the presentation syntax
- 15:45:24 [Harold]
- Ok, ??yz should be serialized as <Var>?yz</Var>.
- 15:46:30 [DaveReynolds]
- csma: so need to change one example in PRD to match this, simple editorial change
- 15:48:17 [DaveReynolds]
- csma: was the issue of profiles being terms or unicode strings resolved?
- 15:48:32 [DaveReynolds]
- Jos: yes, was unclear, now settled on it being a Const
- 15:49:13 [DaveReynolds]
- Jos: and changed the SWC table following Michael's suggestions
- 15:49:31 [DaveReynolds]
- s/Michael/Harold and Michael/
- 15:50:19 [DaveReynolds]
- action: csma to ask Sandro to do the new freezes as soon as FLD is ready to freeze
- 15:50:19 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-544 - Ask Sandro to do the new freezes as soon as FLD is ready to freeze [on Christian de Sainte Marie - due 2008-07-22].
- 15:50:39 [MichaelKifer]
- zakim, unmute me
- 15:50:39 [Zakim]
- MichaelKifer should no longer be muted
- 15:51:13 [AxelPolleres]
- I fixed ACTION-542 now. Could Stella and Jos have a look? it is very short, so should be quick. I fixed 4.3.4 and changed the references to the langtag RFC to [BCP-47] throughout the document (also in sections 2.1.1 and 2.2)
- 15:51:24 [DaveReynolds]
- Michael: don't freeze BLD right now, need some small changes
- 15:51:28 [AxelPolleres]
- q+
- 15:51:45 [DaveReynolds]
- Michael: should be fixable in a couple of hours
- 15:51:46 [csma]
- ack axel
- 15:51:55 [MichaelKifer]
- zakim, mute me
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- MichaelKifer should now be muted
- 15:52:15 [Harold]
- We'll send email about BLD first, then about FLD.
- 15:52:20 [DaveReynolds]
- Axel: completed action-542 now, so DTB can be re-frozen
- 15:53:19 [DaveReynolds]
- action: Jos to check Axel's text for action-542 (rif:text moving to two argument constructor)
- 15:53:19 [trackbot]
- Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Jos
- 15:53:19 [trackbot]
- Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jdebruij2, jderoo)
- 15:53:34 [DaveReynolds]
- action: jdebruij2 to check Axel's text for action-542 (rif:text moving to two argument constructor)
- 15:53:34 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-545 - Check Axel's text for action-542 (rif:text moving to two argument constructor) [on Jos de Bruijn - due 2008-07-22].
- 15:54:07 [AdrianP]
- Zakim, unmute me
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- AdrianP should no longer be muted
- 15:54:49 [DaveReynolds]
- Adrian: need to find a way to integrate javascript code in the final UCR version for the highlighting buttons
- 15:55:08 [DaveReynolds]
- Adrian: it is in the Wiki version and works there but doesn't survive the translation
- 15:55:12 [AdrianP]
- Zakim, mute me
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- AdrianP should now be muted
- 15:55:15 [DaveReynolds]
- csma: will check with Sandro
- 15:55:29 [DaveReynolds]
- +1 adjorn
- 15:55:34 [Zakim]
- -Harold
- 15:55:36 [AdrianP]
- bye
- 15:55:36 [Zakim]
- -AxelPolleres
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- -AdrianP
- 15:56:00 [csma]
- zakim, who is speaking?
- 15:56:13 [Zakim]
- csma, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Mike_Dean (9%), josb (100%), csma (18%)
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- -Mike_Dean
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- -MichaelKifer
- 15:57:10 [csma]
- rrsagent, make log public
- 15:57:19 [csma]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 15:57:19 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/15-rif-minutes.html csma
- 15:58:22 [csma]
- zakim, attendees list?
- 15:58:22 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, csma.
- 15:58:31 [csma]
- zakim, who attended?
- 15:58:31 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, csma.
- 15:58:37 [csma]
- zakim, attendees?
- 15:58:37 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, csma.
- 15:58:42 [csma]
- zakim, attendees
- 15:58:42 [DaveReynolds]
- zakim, list attendees
- 15:58:42 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'attendees', csma
- 15:58:43 [Zakim]
- As of this point the attendees have been csma, DaveReynolds, Mike_Dean, +43.158.801.1aaaa, josb, AdrianP, AxelPolleres, MichaelKifer, Harold
- 15:59:06 [csma]
- rrzagent, make minutes
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- rrsagent, make minutes
- 15:59:17 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/15-rif-minutes.html csma
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- -DaveReynolds
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- -csma
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- disconnecting the lone participant, josb, in SW_RIF()11:00AM
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- Attendees were csma, DaveReynolds, Mike_Dean, +43.158.801.1aaaa, josb, AdrianP, AxelPolleres, MichaelKifer, Harold