12:51:39 RRSAgent has joined #awwsw 12:51:39 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/07/15-awwsw-irc 12:52:17 does the bristol w3c dial-in number give me access to their telecon? 12:52:21 I see no reason why it would not. 12:52:29 i too see no reason 12:52:51 i'm not on the call yet... will try now 12:53:08 I am in a meeting but it's almost over. 12:53:28 I will escape in a few moments... 13:01:58 TAG_(AWWSW)9:00AM has now started 13:02:05 +jar 13:02:06 dbooth has joined #awwsw 13:02:19 zakim, code? 13:02:19 the conference code is 29979 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dbooth 13:02:27 +DBooth 13:03:08 I will dial-in once I can escape a horrible meeting and talk some secretary into giving me a phone. 13:03:57 Meeting: AWWSW 13:04:09 Chair: Jonathan Rees (jar) 13:06:30 http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswHome 13:08:50 +Alan 13:09:20 alanr has joined #awwsw 13:12:24 zakim, mute me 13:12:24 sorry, alanr, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 13:12:31 zakim, who is here 13:12:31 alanr, you need to end that query with '?' 13:12:38 zakim, who is here? 13:12:38 On the phone I see jar, DBooth, Alan 13:12:39 On IRC I see alanr, dbooth, RRSAgent, hhalpin, Zakim, jar286, trackbot 13:12:50 zakim, Alan is alanr 13:12:50 +alanr; got it 13:12:54 zakim, mute me 13:12:54 alanr should now be muted 13:13:01 intent matters 13:13:24 going forward: represent intent explicitly 13:13:39 hi harry! 13:13:54 ok 13:14:05 I've got a vacuum on, so I'm muted 13:14:09 atm 13:17:08 in emacs :) 13:17:44 http://esw.w3.org/topic/LSW 13:18:12 today's lsw fun: http://groups.google.com/group/obi-owl/browse_thread/thread/59c694f413204f1f 13:19:05 http://groups.google.com/group/lsw-discuss 13:19:35 here's another fun thing: http://obi.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/obi/trunk/src/tools/build/external-templates.txt 13:19:51 template for filling in information given an id, from sparql queries 13:20:12 interpreter, in lsw: http://obi.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/obi/trunk/src/tools/build/create-external-derived.lisp 13:20:43 driven off of http://obi.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/obi/trunk/src/ontology/branches/external.owl 13:20:53 to generate http://obi.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/obi/trunk/src/ontology/branches/externalDerived.owl 13:21:18 zakim, unmute me 13:21:18 alanr should no longer be muted 13:23:36 hhaplin, if you're paying attention, it would be great to have you on the call 13:24:21 I am trying to get on...be on in 5 minutes. 13:26:40 + +0186528aaaa 13:26:47 Zakim, aaaa is HarryH 13:26:47 +HarryH; got it 13:27:51 http://obi.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/obi/trunk/src/tools/build/add-assumed-individuals.lisp 13:28:35 (We've been having unstructured discussion of IRs and Alan's fun stuff involving Lisp, Java, RDF, SPARQL, etc.) 13:28:52 (While waiting to see if a quorum would show up.) 13:29:03 Topic: This meeting 13:29:31 provenance and *process* 13:29:41 Harry: I think what tim wants is an ont of provenance. 13:29:48 jar: that hasn't come up yet. 13:30:04 harry: It's come up obliquely on swig, around RDFa. 13:31:11 ... Do you merge all the stuff? What if it's consistent? These questions are key, but the fuzziest part of the SW implicit ont. If tim wants an RDF ont of where RDF comes from. Given a URI, where do you get the RDF for it? 13:31:44 tim has said it's not worthwhile to explain what an IR is 13:31:57 alan: part of the cultural gulf is that one should be able to explain what an IR is, ranging from "I know it when I see it", but some peples eyes are different than others. 13:32:51 s/peples/peoples/ 13:33:07 we're toddlers 13:33:10 3 years old 13:34:01 +1 13:34:11 harry: given a URI, what RDF do you get? I think these are good questions. Even if timbl can't make all the meetings, it would be good to keep hacking at these qeustions. 13:34:44 jar: My next impulse is to take the artifacts that we've done in this group adn put them together in an owl ont. 13:34:50 URIs? 13:34:59 shared definitions? 13:35:15 'home page' is http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswHome but it won't answer your question of where the artifacts are 13:35:18 alan: To build an ont we need to collect the terms that are worth defining. So if you have some words that should be collected, tell us. 13:35:29 timbl had something - the "log" vocabulary - looking for URI... 13:36:49 the other artifacts are attached to email messages. 13:37:11 http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log 13:37:16 That's tim "ontology" 13:37:26 ACTION: jar to collate our rules & ontologies artifacts (files) and make them more prominent in the esw wiki 13:37:26 Created ACTION-6 - Collate our rules & ontologies artifacts (files) and make them more prominent in the esw wiki [on Jonathan Rees - due 2008-07-22]. 13:37:40 collect terms 13:37:48 artifacts and processes 13:37:59 Like a list of terms on the ESWC wiki? 13:38:06 pointer? 13:38:30 Maybe a good test would be to get a few of us to make an ontology without looking at other's people and see the diffs. 13:38:41 s/other's people/other people's ontologies 13:39:46 there are holes in the semweb. e.g. suppose you have some rdfa, linked to some rdf/xml, what do you do? 13:39:54 (that was hhaplin saying that) 13:40:58 +1 for questions 13:42:58 i'd be happy to help out with trying to do a survey some sort of ontology that doubles as a provenance ontology. 13:44:06 Alan - could you write that question down? 13:44:40 alan: question of which rdf graph to deal with is answered totally ahead of time (via owl:imports) - this is different from rdf (maybe) 13:47:33 ACTION: dbooth to make a meagre start on a questions list 13:47:33 Created ACTION-7 - Make a meagre start on a questions list [on David Booth - due 2008-07-22]. 13:48:46 OK, I'll write that list down of terms. 13:49:15 Tim's tabulator ontology is linked from http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswAnalysis 13:49:25 http://neurocommons.org/page/First_IAO_workshop 13:50:12 ACTION: HarryH to write some list of terms downs and put on wiki 13:50:12 Sorry, couldn't find user - HarryH 13:52:43 hhaplin: Desirable to be able to express provenance 13:53:46 hhalpin: where would you attach such information? how expressed in rdf? is there an algorithm? 13:56:02 topic: scheduling 13:57:53 Here's a page for questions/use cases: http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswQuestions 13:58:18 linked from http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswHome 13:59:13 We will meet in one week 14:02:06 -DBooth 14:04:01 no doubt about that :) 14:07:33 officially adjourned. 14:07:42 unofficially continuing. 14:10:11 -HarryH 14:10:30 bye (officially)! 14:22:36 -alanr 14:22:38 -jar 14:22:38 TAG_(AWWSW)9:00AM has ended 14:22:39 Attendees were jar, DBooth, alanr, +0186528aaaa, HarryH 15:28:32 rrsagent, make logs public 15:28:56 zakim, bye 15:28:56 Zakim has left #awwsw