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16:55:15 <Stuart> zakim, this will be tag
16:55:15 <Zakim> ok, Stuart; I see TAG_Weekly()1:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
16:55:26 <Stuart> Meeting: TAG Weekly
16:55:44 <Stuart> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2008/07/10-agenda
16:55:58 <Stuart> Chair: Stuart Williams
16:56:08 <Stuart> Scribe: Jonathan Rees
16:56:40 <Stuart> trackbot, status
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16:57:16 <Zakim> +TimBL
16:57:54 <Zakim> +??P9
16:58:01 <Stuart> zakim, ??P9 is me
16:58:01 <Zakim> +Stuart; got it
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16:59:58 <Stuart> zakim, +1 is jar
16:59:58 <Zakim> +jar; got it
17:01:32 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
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17:02:35 <jar> Getting started.
17:02:45 <jar> Comments on agenda? No.
17:02:59 <jar> Minutes re 26 June telecon. OK?
17:03:20 <jar> (not the joint call, the one before it)
17:03:37 <jar> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2008/06/26-tagmem-minutes
17:03:42 <jar> approved.
17:04:07 <jar> Henry to scribe next week
17:04:13 <Ashok> Stuart, regrets from next week's call
17:04:32 <Ashok> s/from/for/
17:05:05 <jar> Ashok and Tim express regrets for next week.
17:06:33 <jar> Henry: Let's meet next week anyhow
17:06:55 <DanC> ok by me to cxl 31 Jul, 7 Aug, 14 Aug
17:07:15 <jar> Resolved: skip those three.
17:09:28 <jar> Now discussing how to continue OASIS/XRI interaction
17:09:52 <jar> Ashok volunteering to talk to Marty about data integration use case in about 2 weeks
17:11:39 <jar> stuart: Concerned that maybe nothing will get done over the summer
17:12:20 <jar> shoot. lost my phone link
17:12:30 <jar> hang on
17:12:43 <Zakim> -jar
17:12:46 <DanC> HT: I hope to use the summer break to do the drafting I was planning to do
17:12:52 <jar> or someone else scribe please... 60 seconds
17:13:16 <Zakim> +jar
17:13:20 <jar> ahh... back.
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17:14:22 <jar> HT: Missing: a serious analysis of why http doesn't meet their requirements.
17:14:33 <timbl> q+
17:14:40 <Stuart> ack timb
17:15:02 <Zakim> -jar
17:15:22 <ht_wylie> timbl: The problem is not how to evolve the mechanism
17:15:26 <Ashok> TimBl: Who is the design authority?
17:15:48 <ht_wylie> ... it's a social problem -- they don't trust, or want to work with, ICANN and the rest of the authority structure
17:15:54 <Zakim> +Jonathan_Rees
17:15:58 <Ashok> ask them is is that it cannot be done technically or socially
17:16:07 <ht_wylie> ... This kind of group wants to be _socially_ independent of ICANN and so on
17:16:13 <Ashok> do you want to be independent of ICANN
17:16:42 <DanC> q+ to think about the "independent naming system"
17:16:44 <jar> stuart: Have you seen latest decision from ICANN, re TLDs for sale?
17:16:51 <timbl> yes
17:17:24 <DanC> impact of lots more top level domains on the Web? Dan Connolly (Thursday, 26 June) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2008Jun/0113.html
17:17:48 <Stuart> ack Danc
17:18:48 <jar> danc: XRIs are showing up in oauth namespace declarations.  Namespaces are given as URIs.
17:19:26 <jar> danc: (Therefore XRIs need to be URIs, for that purpose.)
17:19:38 <DanC> (I tried to say IRI; but since IRIs and URIs share a scheme registry.)
17:20:10 <Ashok> but XRI not registered as URI scheme
17:20:28 <jar> ht: If an XRI URI scheme is applied for, then it will have to meet the bar for new URI schemes
17:21:09 <jar> ht: What can we do to help meet our obligations here?
17:21:40 <ht_wylie> At some point on the call, I said "Now _that's_ a technical question we could dig into . . ."  . . . what was that?
17:21:41 <jar> stuart: Shall we: frame questions and encourage conversation?
17:22:08 <jar> danc: Not sure that will help keep things alive over the summer.
17:22:16 <jar> poll
17:22:41 <jar> danc: Discussion should take place on www-tag
17:23:10 <jar> ashok: Yes, encouraging summer conversation is a good idea
17:23:12 <ht_wylie> Found it: 'HST thinks that addressing the "http scheme did not allow us to to use non-DNS authority resolution" is a very concrete challenge that we could focus on'
17:24:13 <DanC> s/Discussion should take place on www-tag/Discussion on www-tag is convenient for me, though I wonder whether it'll reach critical mass/
17:24:38 <jar> ht: Maybe we can dig in on at least one definite issue, the one about distributed authority.
17:25:48 <jar> stuart: Looking for ways to make it not fall silent and lose context
17:27:31 <jar> timbl: Maybe put the argument on a wiki, lay it out there
17:28:11 <jar> timbl: Let's consider priorities w.r.t. other activities, maybe recruit others to help
17:28:29 <timbl> We could spend an hour of the next meeting to state our position
17:28:46 <DanC> but that wouldn't be any better.
17:30:08 <ht_wylie> HST is willing to try to start a thread
17:30:21 <jar> danc: A real back and forth would be better than presentations
17:31:28 <ht_wylie> ACTION: Henry S to start a thread on non-DNS authority resolution on www-tag
17:31:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-167 - S to start a thread on non-DNS authority resolution on www-tag [on Henry S. Thompson - due 2008-07-17].
17:32:40 <jar> danc: Let's drop video
17:32:50 <jar> Item 4, contentTypeOverride-24
17:32:51 <Zakim> -TimBL
17:32:53 <DanC> http://www.w3.org/QA/2008/07/life_without_mime_type_sniffin.html
17:33:05 <DanC> http://www.w3.org/blog/tag/
17:33:42 <jar> danc: How visible is the TAG blog?
17:35:07 <jar> danc: TAG finding says sniffing is security risk. But HTML5 says do sniff sometimes.
17:35:41 <jar> danc: Economics of following http spec are hopeless - doing the right thing loses market share.
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17:36:48 <jar> danc: Now, there's the "I mean it" flag
17:38:02 <Stuart> Hixie's response was interesting: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Jul/0079.html
17:40:09 <jar> ... and somtimes there's a browser configuration switch that says "follow the spec"
17:40:21 <jar> s/somtimes/sometimes/
17:41:14 <jar> ... and maybe things are getting better with compliance
17:41:24 <Stuart> DanC I you can point me a the 'controls' I'll be happy to 'live dangerously'.
17:41:34 <jar> ... I think the TAG should talk about this some more
17:41:47 <jar> (Note no quorum now)
17:44:19 <Stuart> q?
17:45:41 <jar> danc: Details on sniffing in html5 are reasonable, not just a wholesale endorsement of some popular browser's behavior
17:46:15 <jar> ... e.g. <img src="something whose content-type is text/plain">
17:46:46 <jar> stuart: Would you be willing to take on editor role?
17:46:51 <jar> danc: yes
17:48:29 <DanC> issue-34?
17:48:29 <trackbot> ISSUE-34 -- XML Transformation and composability (e.g., XSLT,XInclude, Encryption) -- OPEN
17:48:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/34
17:48:43 <jar> ... example: content type xhtml+xml, but then treated by client as atom feed due to namespace in the xml file
17:48:49 <DanC> issue-33?
17:48:49 <trackbot> ISSUE-33 -- Composability for user interface-oriented XML namespaces -- OPEN
17:48:49 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/33
17:49:10 <DanC> Dave Baron's msg was about the boundary between CDF and the TAG, about which I'm curious
17:53:34 <jar> Moving on. F2F prep?
17:53:48 <jar> Meeting formally adjourned.
17:54:19 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
17:55:50 <Stuart> rrsagent, make logs public
17:56:48 <jar> rrsagent, pointer
17:56:48 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-tagmem-irc#T17-56-48
18:07:16 <jar> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=10903+NW+45+Highway+Parkville,+MO&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=81.220239,111.972656&ie=UTF8&ll=39.272398,-94.805489&spn=0.080798,0.109348&t=h&z=13
18:08:12 <DanC> http://www.missouririverpaddling.com/TheRivers.html 
18:09:28 <Stuart> Big rapid at: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=10903+NW+45+Highway+Parkville,+MO&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=81.220239,111.972656&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=39.257213,-94.831967&spn=0.014289,0.043087&z=15&iwloc=cent
18:12:45 <Zakim> -Stuart
18:12:53 <Zakim> -Jonathan_Rees
18:13:21 <Zakim> TAG_Weekly()1:00PM has ended
18:13:23 <Zakim> Attendees were TimBL, Stuart, +1.617.253.aaaa, jar, Ashok_Malhotra, DanC.a, Jonathan_Rees
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