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15:02:11 <mhausenblas> zakim, this will be SW_SWD(RDFa)
15:02:11 <Zakim> ok, mhausenblas, I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM already started
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15:02:22 <mhausenblas> Meeting: RDF-in-XHTML TF 2008-07-10
15:02:23 <Zakim> +ShaneM
15:02:27 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public
15:02:27 <Zakim> -jeremycarroll
15:02:29 <Zakim> +jeremycarroll
15:02:29 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jul/0008.html
15:02:36 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
15:02:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see jeremycarroll, ShaneM
15:02:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see JeremyCarroll, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, msporny, ShaneM, mhausenblas
15:02:37 <msporny> heeey, it's Jeremy!
15:02:41 <Zakim> +Michael_Hausenblas
15:02:44 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
15:02:47 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
15:02:49 <Zakim> +Steven
15:02:49 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2008-07-03
15:03:03 <Zakim> +??P11
15:03:04 <mhausenblas> Chair: Ben
15:03:09 <msporny> zakim, I am ??P11
15:03:09 <Zakim> +msporny; got it
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15:03:20 <Zakim> +Ben_Adida
15:03:48 <mhausenblas> ScribeNick: mhausenblas
15:04:29 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:04:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas
15:04:52 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Ralph
15:04:58 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Mark
15:05:13 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:06:01 <mhausenblas> Topic: Action Items
15:06:08 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary
15:06:14 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Ben to follow up with Elias on JavaScript test harness + EARL [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]
15:06:21 <mhausenblas> -- continues
15:06:41 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Shane to write home page for SPREAD. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]
15:06:47 <ShaneM> working onit
15:07:27 <mhausenblas> -- continues
15:07:34 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Steven migrate VEVENT examples to rdfa.info wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]
15:07:46 <mhausenblas> -- continues
15:07:55 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
15:08:20 <mhausenblas> -- continues
15:08:27 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Manu write haudio examples for wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
15:08:34 <mhausenblas> -- continues
15:09:17 <mhausenblas> Manu: Would be good to chat with people about how to design the vocabulary
15:09:49 <benadida> MichaelH: in general, you don't get it right the first time you design a vocab, give it a shot.
15:12:30 <JeremyCarroll> q+
15:12:50 <mhausenblas> ack JeremyCarroll
15:13:28 <mhausenblas> JeremyCarroll: Many of our customers want bigger ontologies; think of computational costs
15:13:43 <mhausenblas> ... owl:sameAs is expensive
15:14:32 <mhausenblas> ... make it easier for tools by not expecting inferencing
15:14:54 <ShaneM> q+ to discuss internal consistency
15:15:25 <ShaneM> q-
15:15:39 <Steven> My action is done
15:15:50 <Steven> http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tutorials#vEvent
15:16:01 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Steven migrate VEVENT examples to rdfa.info wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]
15:16:03 <mhausenblas> -- done
15:16:11 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Manu write the perl code for Slashdot [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action03]
15:16:14 <mhausenblas> -- continues
15:19:31 <mhausenblas> Ben: In future versions RDFa may support sequences as well, worth considering for example in RSS
15:20:51 <mhausenblas> JeremyCarroll: Shall we write up some examples for RSS?
15:21:18 <mhausenblas> Michael: see for example http://riese.joanneum.at/updates/
15:22:21 <mhausenblas> http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tutorials
15:23:43 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Michael to rewrite and extend http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tutorials for RSS (maybe with seq)
15:25:04 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]
15:25:09 <mhausenblas> -- continues
15:25:14 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]
15:25:15 <mhausenblas> -- continues
15:25:22 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]
15:25:23 <mhausenblas> -- continues
15:25:30 <mhausenblas> http://rdfa.info/wiki/RDFa-for-microformats-users
15:26:04 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]
15:26:06 <mhausenblas> -- continues
15:26:26 <mhausenblas> Ben: next week I wont be around
15:26:26 <Steven> Me regrets for 3 weeks
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15:26:38 <mhausenblas> Manu ok to chair?
15:26:40 <mhausenblas> MAnu: Yes
15:26:52 <mhausenblas> Michael: Next two telecons regrets as well
15:26:56 <mhausenblas> Topic: CR Comments
15:27:09 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/products/2
15:27:26 <mhausenblas> Ben: First comment by Florian
15:27:29 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/121
15:27:42 <mhausenblas> Ben: I'm ok to clarify and reply
15:28:22 <mhausenblas> Shane: Just an editorial change - will check
15:28:28 <mhausenblas> ... should mark as resolved
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15:29:32 <benadida> PROPOSE: to make small editorial change in response to ISSUE-121 as per Mark's email response to Florian.
15:29:38 <mhausenblas> +1
15:29:45 <msporny> +1
15:30:11 <mhausenblas> RESOLVED: to make small editorial change in response to ISSUE-121 as per Mark's email response to Florian.
15:30:36 <benadida> ACTION: Shane to make ISSUE-121 editorial change and report back
15:30:51 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-122 by Alan
15:30:57 <mhausenblas> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jun/0080.html
15:32:09 <mhausenblas> Ben: Needs some clarification, but no show-stoppers
15:32:46 <mhausenblas> Manu: re 'Here there is a question of what "referring" to means.'
15:32:55 <Zakim> -msporny
15:32:58 <mhausenblas> ... we need to state what we mean
15:33:05 <msporny> crap, lost my VoIP connection
15:33:50 <mhausenblas> Shane: There might be a risk in clarifying
15:33:59 <Zakim> +??P11
15:34:04 <msporny> zakim, I am ??P11
15:34:04 <Zakim> +msporny; got it
15:34:27 <mhausenblas> ... what @about is refering to
15:37:36 <JeremyCarroll> q+
15:37:52 <mhausenblas> Ben: Try to catch Alan in Boston and talk with him about this
15:38:21 <mhausenblas> ack JeremyCarroll
15:39:05 <mhausenblas> JeremyCarroll: Pragmatic view is needed here; the abstract one's don't help
15:40:00 <mhausenblas> Steven: At XTech I saw the semantic search engine's problem with wrong inference
15:40:39 <mhausenblas> Ben: Steven, saw your proposal re new non-HTTP URI scheme
15:41:04 <mhausenblas> Steven: but bNodes workaround is fine
15:41:28 <JeremyCarroll> http://larry.masinter.net/duri.html - for steven's attention
15:43:37 <JeremyCarroll> q+
15:44:07 <mhausenblas> Ben: Manu, can you write-up your issues with it?
15:44:11 <mhausenblas> Manu: yep
15:44:15 <mhausenblas> ack JeremyCarroll
15:45:04 <msporny> ACTION: Manu to write up current issues with information resource vs. actual resource with regard to Audio RDF vocabulary.
15:45:28 <mhausenblas> Michael: I generally advocate the usage of HTTP URIs.
15:47:16 <benadida> ACTION: Ben to talk to Allan about CR ISSUE-122
15:47:20 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:47:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas
15:47:32 <mhausenblas> Topic: Implementation Report
15:47:39 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/implementation-report/
15:47:50 <JeremyCarroll> q+ to ask about TQ's contribution
15:47:53 <mhausenblas> Ben: re Ajax EARL generator
15:48:00 <mhausenblas> ack JeremyCarroll
15:48:00 <Zakim> JeremyCarroll, you wanted to ask about TQ's contribution
15:48:24 <mhausenblas> JeremyCarroll: We at TopQuadrant have an RDFa editor
15:48:37 <mhausenblas> ... we could report on that
15:49:12 <mhausenblas> Michael: Could you add it to http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tools ?
15:50:04 <mhausenblas> JeremyCarroll: Reading is out-sourced
15:50:15 <mhausenblas> ... suspect Fabien's XSLT
15:51:16 <benadida> ACTION: Jeremy to write up TQ's contribution for impl report and wiki
15:51:33 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:51:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas
15:51:37 <Zakim> -Steven
15:51:38 <Zakim> -Michael_Hausenblas
15:51:39 <Zakim> -ShaneM
15:51:40 <Zakim> -msporny
15:51:42 <Zakim> -JeremyCarroll
15:51:43 <Zakim> -Ben_Adida
15:51:43 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended
15:51:45 <mhausenblas> [adjourned]
15:51:45 <Zakim> Attendees were ShaneM, Michael_Hausenblas, Steven, JeremyCarroll, msporny, Ben_Adida
15:52:00 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:52:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas
15:52:17 <mhausenblas> Zakim, bye
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15:52:24 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, bye
15:52:24 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-actions.rdf :
15:52:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to rewrite and extend http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tutorials for RSS (maybe with seq) [1]
15:52:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-irc#T15-23-43
15:52:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane to make ISSUE-121 editorial change and report back [2]
15:52:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-irc#T15-30-36
15:52:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu to write up current issues with information resource vs. actual resource with regard to Audio RDF vocabulary. [3]
15:52:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-irc#T15-45-04
15:52:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to talk to Allan about CR ISSUE-122 [4]
15:52:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-irc#T15-47-16
15:52:24 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeremy to write up TQ's contribution for impl report and wiki [5]
15:52:24 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-irc#T15-51-16