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15:46:19 what's on the agenda today?
15:47:35 lachy, if things hold to form, http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda
15:48:39 mikeTMsmith's announcement: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2008JulSep/0000.html
15:48:39 if you're talking about web forms stuff, that might be interesting and I can call in.
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15:49:30 MikeSmith, are you around - can you answer lachy's query about web forms stuff
15:50:35 Web Forms Features Survey (still open for a few hours) - http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/wfreq/
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15:55:13 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/wfreq/results
15:55:19 35 votes so far
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15:58:43 trackbot, start meeting
15:58:45 RRSAgent, make logs public
15:58:47 Zakim, this will be HTML
15:58:47 ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
15:58:48 Meeting: HTML Issue Tracking Teleconference
15:58:48 Date: 10 July 2008
15:59:14 HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
15:59:21 +Gregory_Rosmaita
15:59:25 +[Microsoft]
15:59:29 -Gregory_Rosmaita
15:59:29 mike, do you need a scribe?
15:59:30 +Gregory_Rosmaita
15:59:32 zakim, Microsoft is me
15:59:32 +ChrisWilson; got it
15:59:57 +??P7
16:00:06 Zakim, ??P7 is me
16:00:06 +MikeSmith; got it
16:00:12 Can't make call will be on IRC for a short while, apologies
16:00:16 Hi all BTW
16:00:16 +Cynthia_Shelly
16:00:27 +Julian
16:00:33 Regrets+ Joshue
16:00:46 Regrets+ DaveSinger
16:00:59 Joshue: you going to be available on IRC at least?
16:01:03 Yup
16:01:07 OK
16:01:14 RRSAgent, make minutes
16:01:14 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
16:01:21 +DanC
16:02:10 Joshue, is there somebody else who can talk about action 54 on the call?
16:02:18 Zakim, who's on the phone?
16:02:18 On the phone I see Gregory_Rosmaita, ChrisWilson, MikeSmith, Cynthia_Shelly, Julian, DanC
16:02:25 give me a second I will try again..
16:04:09 I am in Austria at the moment
16:04:17 Scribenick: oedipus
16:04:24 Scribe: Gregory
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16:04:35 chair? MikeSmith?
16:04:42 chair: MikeSmith
16:04:45 +??P2
16:04:55 Agenda: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda
16:05:02 zakim ??P2 is Josh_O_Connor
16:05:10 zakim +??P2 is Josh_O_Connor
16:05:15 zakim, +??P2 is Josh_O_Connor
16:05:15 sorry, oedipus, I do not recognize a party named '+??P2'
16:05:18 Topic: convene meeting, review agenda
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16:05:23 TOPIC: Action Item 54 Update
16:05:34 zakim, ??P2 is Josh_O_Connor
16:05:34 +Josh_O_Connor; got it
16:05:43 Zakim, passcode?
16:05:43 the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Lachy
16:05:45 let's not use opaque numbers for topics, please
16:05:59 JC: status is still in review; Steven Faulkner withdrew from group
16:06:01 We are awaiting response from PF
16:06:10 +[Microsoft]
16:06:18 s/Action Item 54 Update/missing-alt ISSUE-31 action-54/
16:06:35 MC: josh can replace SF on Issue Tracker; will assume responsibility for StevenF's issues
16:07:13 (new headers issue? different from ISSUE-20 table-headers ? hmm.)
16:07:27 JC: thanks for tracker privileges - @headers issue (issue 66?) done work on wiki - also made formal request of PF on @headers issue
16:07:43 +??P5
16:07:45 JC: @summary also under investigation and being documented on wiki
16:07:53 MS: sounds fine
16:08:01 Zakim, I am P5
16:08:01 sorry, Lachy, I do not see a party named 'P5'
16:08:05 -Josh_O_Connor
16:08:05 Zakim, I am +??P5
16:08:06 sorry, Lachy, I do not see a party named '+??P5'
16:08:12 Zakim, ??P5 is Lachy
16:08:12 +Lachy; got it
16:08:18 Zakim, mute Lachy
16:08:18 Lachy should now be muted
16:08:18 Zakim, mute Lachy temporarily
16:08:19 Lachy was already muted, DanC
16:08:34 i/(new headers/TOPIC: TABLE issues & actions update
16:08:35 @summary wiki is updated (Action Item 66)
16:08:51 Zakim, unmute Lachy
16:08:51 Lachy should no longer be muted
16:08:53 MS: wait for responses until next week on SteveF and Josh's stuff
16:08:55 Zakim, mute Lachy
16:08:55 Lachy should now be muted
16:09:07 I will add @headers issue to tracker shortly (Buzilla 5822)
16:09:17 Bye y'all
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16:09:20 Zakim, who's on the phone?
16:09:20 On the phone I see Gregory_Rosmaita, ChrisWilson, MikeSmith, Julian, DanC, [Microsoft], Lachy (muted)
16:09:21 ok, that's weird
16:09:22 Joshue, pls review -- darn
16:09:36 http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/TableAccessibility
16:09:46 josh - other URIs from ESW?
16:10:03 TOPIC: Agenda Shaping
16:10:21 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda
16:10:41 MS: any additional agenda items other than what is on tracker?
16:10:42 q+
16:10:48 ack julian
16:10:55 DanC - there's no new @headers issue. ISSUE-20 remains the only collection point on @headers I can see?
16:11:05 JR: TAG going to discuss content type missing - maybe need to discuss here
16:11:10 MS: DanC - comments?
16:11:33 MS: URI for TAG announcement
16:11:40 +laura
16:11:45 JR: on TAG meeting agenda for today
16:11:51 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2008/07/10-agenda
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16:12:02 ISSUE-20 seems sufficiently broad to cover the discussion going in bug 5822.
16:12:03 s/missing/sniffing/
16:12:22 MS: specifically about MS?
16:12:28 DC: what prompted it
16:12:32 RRSAgent, make minutes
16:12:32 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-html-wg-minutes.html MikeSmith
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16:12:33 DC: TAG discussions wide-ranging
16:12:51 MS: pre-discussion for DC to take to TAG?
16:12:56 DC: most discussion in email
16:13:12 MS: email record reflects HTML5 side
16:13:28 DC: reflects where bunch of individuals - summary for WG position would be best
16:13:51 GJR: collect issues on wiki page to summarize issues
16:14:04 MS: only problem is getting someone with cycles
16:14:16 DC: problems with patches interesting aspect
16:14:44 MS: Adam Barr (?) compiled version of FF with content-type sniffing off - tried dig.com and united.com
16:14:47 s/problems with patches interesting aspect/the most interesting thing i got out of the thread was options and patches to browse without content sniffing/
16:14:57 I solicited data in a blog item http://www.w3.org/QA/2008/07/life_without_mime_type_sniffin.html
16:15:11 MS: good to have more data like that - content-sniffing/identification off experiences
16:15:11 s/Adam Barr/Adam Barth/
16:15:15 s/dig.com/digg.com/
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16:15:18 +robburns
16:15:35 JR: ChrisW needs to give more info about MS plans
16:15:50 s/specifically about MS?/specifically about Microsoft's authoritative=true proposal?/
16:15:52 Did anyone recommend a method to disable content-sniffing in WebKit?
16:15:57 CW: read blog post - not sure what more to say
16:16:26 JR: content-type sniffing end altogether, or just specific sniffing case - if serve image as GIF would content="foo"
16:16:42 MS: believe would turn off all content sniffing - including for images
16:16:49 s/TAG discussions wide-ranging/I requested TAG discussion based on the authoritative=true discussion, but it's hard to predict what the TAG will discuss once we get started/
16:17:01 MS: Laura, agenda addenda?
16:17:05 image/gif;authoritive=true for a JPEG is unlikely to break because most browsers just pass off the image to the image processor, which then determines its type from the magic numbers
16:17:10 MS: Laura, summary of contact with PF
16:17:25 LC: waiting on PF for review of ALT (action 54) - still in progress
16:17:34 LC: @headers PF will be discussing
16:17:56 but the real question is whether a