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18:39:39 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAPP
18:39:39 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
18:39:40 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
18:39:40 <trackbot> Date: 09 July 2008
18:39:45 <shepazu> carmelo is here, smaug
18:39:59 <smaug> just a second
18:40:08 <shepazu> Zakim, this will be weabpss
18:40:08 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, shepazu
18:40:21 <shepazu> Zakim, this will be webapps
18:40:21 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, shepazu
18:40:40 <shepazu> Zakim, this will be d3e
18:40:40 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, shepazu
18:41:08 <Dashiva> Zakim, list conferences
18:41:08 <Zakim> I see IA_WebAPI(DOM3)2:30PM active
18:41:10 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are WAI_CG()2:00PM, WS_Policy(editors)2:00PM
18:41:23 <shepazu> Zakim, this will be DOM3
18:41:23 <Zakim> ok, shepazu, I see IA_WebAPI(DOM3)2:30PM already started
18:41:37 <Zakim> +Shepazu
18:42:35 <smaug> Zakim, who is on the call?
18:42:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], Shepazu
18:42:47 <smaug> Zakim, IPcaller is me
18:42:47 <Zakim> +smaug; got it
18:48:11 <Zakim> +Carmelo
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18:53:39 <smaug> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008AprJun/0206.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008AprJun/0227.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008AprJun/0415.html
18:53:52 <shepazu> scribenick: Carmelo 
18:54:06 <shepazu> chair: Doug Schepers
18:54:23 <shepazu> Topic: Test Suite
18:54:41 <shepazu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008AprJun/0415.html
18:55:06 <shepazu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008AprJun/att-0415/mouseover-002.html
18:55:56 <Carmelo> Doug: We need to make a code library
18:56:11 <Carmelo> Doug: as its own resource
18:56:34 <Carmelo> Doug: Maybe on CVS
18:56:38 <Carmelo> Carmelo - Good idea
19:00:35 <Carmelo> Carmelo- Shoudn't HTML be used to wrap code around
19:00:53 <Carmelo> Doug: shoudn't need to
19:03:40 <Carmelo> Carmelo - We should have a catalog file with tests metada
19:04:10 <Carmelo> Ollie - First  test should be mark up the specs with requirements.
19:04:53 <Carmelo> Doug - Ok, will do this next.
19:05:55 <shepazu> Action: shepazu to annotate the spec with testable assertion markup
19:05:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-13 - Annotate the spec with testable assertion markup [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-07-16].
19:06:44 <Carmelo> Action:Carmelo to submit an example of catalog file to keep track of tests metada. 
19:08:02 <Carmelo> Doug:  Each assertion in the specs should have a unique id.
19:08:49 <Carmelo> Carmelo: Will each assertion translate into a single or many tests?
19:08:59 <Carmelo> Doug: No, it will be one or many
19:09:38 <Carmelo> Doug: Each test will reference one or more ID's
19:10:00 <Carmelo> Doug: Then you can reference those links from the tests
19:11:38 <Carmelo> Carmelo - Will the Id's form a basis for the test name
19:12:28 <Carmelo> Doug: Each test will reference an assertion.
19:12:53 <Carmelo> Doug: We should not get bog down on the test aspect.
19:14:11 <Carmelo> Carmelo: Perhaps all the specs should be mark up.
19:15:27 <Carmelo> Doug: Will push this idea for other specs.  Editors may compain about the extra work.
19:16:13 <Carmelo> Doug:  Been editing the specs quite a bit lately.
19:16:48 <Carmelo> Ollie: Will it be possible to see the versions of the specs, at least the last one?
19:16:55 <Carmelo> Doug: You can see them all.
19:18:04 <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/
19:18:54 <Carmelo> Doug: From this link all versions can be seen.
19:19:49 <Carmelo> Doug: not keeping a diff of different options.
19:19:59 <smaug> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html.diff?r1=1.17&r2=1.18&f=h
19:20:01 <smaug> that is enough for me
19:20:47 <Carmelo> Doug: Definitions should be normative
19:21:48 <Carmelo> Doug: Only the specs themselves will have to be changed to make assertions clear.
19:22:23 <Carmelo> Doug: Each event will have several tests associated with it.  Check for correct attributes and values.
19:26:44 <Carmelo> Carmelo: We should make it as easy as we can within the constraints we have.
19:27:13 <Carmelo> Carmelo: No limits on our test suite?
19:27:43 <Carmelo> Doug:  Only a lower bound.  As least as many tests as there are assertions.
19:27:56 <Carmelo> How many assertion you expect?
19:28:05 <Carmelo> Doug: Several hundreds
19:32:30 <Carmelo> Doug: Was asked about Mutation events. How stable they are? 
19:32:36 <Carmelo> Ollie: stable
19:33:13 <Carmelo> Doug: Mutation events may be changed a bit to make them less cumbersone to people to use.
19:33:47 <Carmelo> Ollie: May not agree with some of those changes.
19:34:12 <Carmelo> Doug: Not sure if those changes will happend.  Will send a message to the list.
19:35:18 <Carmelo> Doug: Anything elase about testing?
19:35:30 <Carmelo> Carmelo: We are ok for now
19:35:38 <Carmelo> Ollie: Do we have access to CVS?
19:38:35 <Carmelo> Doug: will make a CVS repository.
19:39:43 <Zakim> -smaug
19:39:44 <Zakim> -Carmelo
19:39:54 <Zakim> -Shepazu
19:39:56 <Zakim> IA_WebAPI(DOM3)2:30PM has ended
19:39:57 <Zakim> Attendees were Shepazu, smaug, Carmelo
19:42:48 <shepazu> Zakim, bye
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19:43:04 <shepazu> RRSAgent, make minutes
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23:54:10 <sicking> anne, so there is a commitment from microsoft to go with AC if we can keep it compatible with the IE security model for a subset of the features